Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[TonTon]

So even though at *no point* in any film is it established that droids can be trusted battle pilots you're saying that all the good guys had to do to win the war in minutes would be to take some protocol droids, hand over their *three* capital ships (or five Calamari cruisers from the OT) and....crash them? Genius military tactics!

Yeah, I think in most scenarios the goal is to keep your large ships, not build them just to blow them up or drive them into something. I'm surprised this one is such a sticking point for some. Seemed like one of the highlights.

 

[Lakhota]

F the TLJ book...Khev is editing the TLJ book as fast as he can..."what else Ms Kennedy? Change this ok. Change that ok. Can I get your slippers? Put new D batteries in your purple vibrator? espresso,cappuccino? Red or white?

Adolfo let’s keep this thread alive till Ep9 you crack my **** up


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[klwn]

Yeah, I think in most scenarios the goal is to keep your large ships, not build them just to blow them up or drive them into something. I'm surprised this one is such a sticking point for some. Seemed like one of the highlights.

It's a great scene, I loved it. Everyone went "ohhhhh"
The issue is more the questions it raises for the rest of the movies.

 

[Prime Clone]

So even though at *no point* in any film is it established that droids can be trusted battle pilots you're saying that all the good guys had to do to win the war in minutes would be to take some protocol droids, hand over their *three* capital ships (or five Calamari cruisers from the OT) and....crash them? Genius military tactics!

There were droid starfighters in the PT, and assassin droids in the OT, so it's not that much of a stretch.

And let's not forget this guy...

Actually it's weird there aren't more droid pilots in SW, given the efficiencies and how it would eliminate human/alien error.

 

[loki2371]

So even though at *no point* in any film is it established that droids can be trusted battle pilots you're saying that all the good guys had to do to win the war in minutes would be to take some protocol droids, hand over their *three* capital ships (or five Calamari cruisers from the OT) and....crash them? Genius military tactics!

Soooo how many ships they got left now? None. 0. Maybe they'd still have some, but sacrifice is for *******... We "save what we love" or whatever... The few people left are all aboard the falcon, which is now Rey's apparently.

Poor Chewie. Everyone is dead. Since Leia will be dead somehow offscreen in Ep9, he should kick that **** off the Falcon, bite the head off a Porg while flipping off everyone else and go home to Kashyyk. He has no life debt to anyone anymore. And while he's at it, he should take R2 & 3PO with him, since they are totally useless now too. Maybe BB-8 will start a new rebellion.

 

[aa909]

They can’t just use up ships blowing them apart in light speed attacks. The numbers are apparently not on their side.
I doubt a small ship going by light speed would cause the damage needed.

By your logic the Japanese should have started Pearl Harbor by Kamakazi attack ...Suicide attack which takes lives and resources is a last resort of the desperate...which is what we saw in TLJ.

I think as usual , when it comes to military might, the FO has the edge using the remnants of the Imperial fleet.


This has been explained a hundred times before. Kylo was shot in the first film, and not in his best shape. Rey is the strongest force user Luke has seen since Kylo....

But as before , if you don’t like the movie , these perfectly logical answer will not satisfy you.

How did Luke use the Force to guide a middle into a 3 meter exhaust port after 30 minutes of training when he could barely “see” a drone shooting at him through a blast helmet?

When did Luke flip out over the death of some old guy he only met hours before?

Why did Like go on the crazy mission to begin with? Cause he fell in love with a hologram message in some droids his dead uncle bought?

You can tear anything apart...even the best of the trilogy, if you really want to.




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this wasn't a simple ship to ship ramming. RJ used 1 ship going into hyperspace to take out 5 star destroyers plus Snoke's Super star destroyer. Using your example and applying the same destructive power to Japanese planes, then yes the Japanese could have used 1 plane to kamikaze 5 battle ships plus an aircraft carrier.

So now in the star wars universe you can just use unmanned hyperspace drones and use them to blow up star destroyers. cost effective and lethal . This is now canon, so if you don't like the logic you can take it up with RJ.


and you totally side stepped the Rey plot holes. classic straw man argument when you can't defend a challenge directly you pivot and try to argue a different subject. weak

 

[jye4ever]

So even though at *no point* in any film is it established that droids can be trusted battle pilots you're saying that all the good guys had to do to win the war in minutes would be to take some protocol droids, hand over their *three* capital ships (or five Calamari cruisers from the OT) and....crash them? Genius military tactics!

That’s a great idea lets have the US military automate like a drone every fighter jet, aircraft carrier, helicopter and tank and fly them directly into the enemy

 

[Khev]

Yeah, I think in most scenarios the goal is to keep your large ships, not build them just to blow them up or drive them into something. I'm surprised this one is such a sticking point for some. Seemed like one of the highlights.

Yep, bizarre battlefield for the naysayers to die on. The "why don't droids fly ships in combat" can literally be applied to all the spacecraft, X-Wings included. But clearly they weren't up to the task hence all the human pilots. Even the mighty K-2 in RO couldn't handle hyperspace calculations on the fly when fleeing Jedha and had to have the controls taken away from him by Cassian.

That’s a great idea lets have the US military automate like a drone every fighter jet, aircraft carrier, helicopter and tank and fly them directly into the enemy

 

[Sachiel]

Poor Chewie. Everyone is dead. Since Leia will be dead somehow offscreen in Ep9, he should kick that **** off the Falcon, bite the head off a Porg while flipping off everyone else and go home to Kashyyk. He has no life debt to anyone anymore. And while he's at it, he should take R2 & 3PO with him, since they are totally useless now too. Maybe BB-8 will start a new rebellion.

Chewie, 3PO and R2 are going to be blown up with the Falcon.

 

[teemu]

Chewie, 3PO and R2 are going to be blown up with the Falcon.

highly likely...kill ALL OT characters

 

[aa909]

As Grace says, there's a difference between big box office and strong box office. We'll see how the subsequent sequels perform at the BO. If there really is a problem, we'll see it when ep 9 comes out....maybe even before that with the Han Solo film.

In theory Solo should do much better than RO, so it should be projected to gross >$1.25B. But my gut tells me if the early fan reviews are not good, then it may not even crack $1B because folks are now skeptical of these movies.

 

[Wor-Gar]

SO MANY WAIFUS!!!!

 

[klwn]

In theory Solo should do much better than RO, so it should be projected to gross >$1.25B. But my gut tells me if the early fan reviews are not good, then it may not even crack $1B because folks are now skeptical of these movies.

I think Disney really overestimated how much people want to see Han in action without the other characters, especially not being portrayed by Ford.
I have heard huge fans of the OT, whose Han Solo is in their top 1, 2 or 3 characters, say they don't care much about that movie, and never wished for a Solo spin-off. They are curious of course, it's Star Wars, but this was way down the list for a lot of fans or maybe not even on the list at all.

With the reshoots it's gonna need to bring in a lot of money to generate a decent size profit.

 

[Otomofan]

So even though at *no point* in any film is it established that droids can be trusted battle pilots you're saying that all the good guys had to do to win the war in minutes would be to take some protocol droids, hand over their *three* capital ships (or five Calamari cruisers from the OT) and....crash them? Genius military tactics!

BB-8 sure seemed to know how to pilot stuff.

 

[loki2371]

In theory Solo should do much better than RO, so it should be projected to gross >$1.25B. But my gut tells me if the early fan reviews are not good, then it may not even crack $1B because folks are now skeptical of these movies.

Solo will bomb, and Disney will spin it as having nothing to do with the fans reaction to TLJ, but rather the media and talking about all the problems plaguing the movie, and how not even Ron Howard could save it. In reality, I hope it does better than TLJ. Even if it sucks, and show how us "old dumb fans that should die" hate the new Disney ST and would rather watch a ****** Solo movie that follows in the OT.

 

[aa909]

So even though at *no point* in any film is it established that droids can be trusted battle pilots you're saying that all the good guys had to do to win the war in minutes would be to take some protocol droids, hand over their *three* capital ships (or five Calamari cruisers from the OT) and....crash them? Genius military tactics!

no man, why are you so married to only using cruisers? because RJ said so? hyperspace as a weapon is now canon, the rebels will build thousands of unmanned drones (remotely controlled by human pilots) and use them to hyperspace into star destroyers.

if 1 cruiser can take out at least 6 star destroyers then ~6 unmanned drones should be a cost effective way to take out 1 star destroyer. if you don't like that then tweet RJ and ask him to explain this mess.

 

[Khev]

BB-8 sure seemed to know how to pilot stuff.

And yet...he still wasn't trusted with his own X-Wing. It really isn't hard to do the math here. Obviously droids weren't on the same level as humans when it came to flying ships in combat.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

So even though at *no point* in any film is it established that droids can be trusted battle pilots you're saying that all the good guys had to do to win the war in minutes would be to take some protocol droids, hand over their *three* capital ships (or five Calamari cruisers from the OT) and....crash them? Genius military tactics!

Now you want to use real word logic and sense. Convenient

There were droid starfighters in the PT, and assassin droids in the OT, so it's not that much of a stretch.

And let's not forget this guy...

Actually it's weird there aren't more droid pilots in SW, given the efficiencies and how it would eliminate human/alien error.

Prime Clone with the assist. An unlikely allied in the war against Supreme Leader Khev and Kylo Jye.

 

[klwn]

And yet...he still wasn't trusted with his own X-Wing. It really isn't hard to do the math here. Obviously droids weren't on the same level as humans when it came to flying ships in combat.

That's irrelevant.
Droids flew or even were ships in the PT, and there is decades of technological advancement from TPM to TLJ. Therefore, droids can control a ship to hyperspace crash it into a bigger, almost stationary ship.

 

[Khev]

no man, why are you so married to only using cruisers? because RJ said so? hyperspace as a weapon is now canon, the rebels will build thousands of unmanned drones (remotely controlled by human pilots) and use them to hyperspace into star destroyer.

if 1 cruiser can take out at least 6 star destroyers then ~6 unmanned drones should be a cost effective way to take out 1 star destroyer. if you don't like that then tweet RJ and ask him to explain this mess.

Oh so now you're inventing fleets of unmanned drones that don't exist in the films that the Rebels are supposed to be use from here on out. Awesome, lol. Please, keep going.