Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[klwn]

Now you want to use real word logic and sense. Convenient



Prime Clone with the assist. An unlikely allied in the war against Supreme Leader Khev and Kylo Jye.

Hey, my assist came before his (granted it didn't have a nice pic of Dooku going back to his master)

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That’s a great idea lets have the US military automate like a drone every fighter jet, aircraft carrier, helicopter and tank and fly them directly into the enemy

I thought SW wasn't ST?

 

[aa909]

Solo will bomb, and Disney will spin it as having nothing to do with the fans reaction to TLJ, but rather the media and talking about all the problems plaguing the movie, and how not even Ron Howard could save it. In reality, I hope it does better than TLJ. Even if it sucks, and show how us "old dumb fans that should die" hate the new Disney ST and would rather watch a ****** Solo movie that follows in the OT.

I got a better spin for you. Solo will fall short of projections and Disney will say "see, no one wants to see a movie about a toxic masculine character", and the new trilogy will be green lighted with an all female cast hand picked by KK. Will star Oprah, Rosie O'Donnell and Ellen

 

[jye4ever]

Yep, bizarre battlefield for the naysayers to die on. The "why don't droids fly ships in combat" can literally be applied to all the spacecraft, X-Wings included. But clearly they weren't up to the task hence all the human pilots. Even the mighty K-2 in RO couldn't handle hyperspace calculations on the fly when fleeing Jedha and had to have the controls taken away from him by Cassian.

I can’t believe the stuff i’m reading as “problems” not just with TLJ but now all of SW like holy crap!

If it ain’t coming from DiFabio of JAWS I ain’t reading it Khev lol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Hey, my assist came before his (granted it didn't have a nice pic of Dooku going back to his master)

Oh yeah, sorry about that. I like pictures.

The fighters of the Trade Federation were droids. They don't need to be incredibly good, they could destroy other fighters, so an AI like that is more than enough to hyperspace crash into something bigger, they don't need virtuoso or Force-sensitive pilots for that. It's just a straight line from point A to point B.

 

[jye4ever]

I thought SW wasn't ST?

My internet sarcasm needs more work I guess lol

 

[Khev]

That's irrelevant.
Droids flew or even were ships in the PT, and there is decades of technological advancement from TPM to TLJ. Therefore, droids can control a ship to hyperspace crash it into a bigger, almost stationary ship.

Oh so we're back to the Alliance supposed to be wiping out their own entire fleet in a spectacular (albeit insanely brief) mass kamikaze attack. And it doesn't matter what the droids did in the PT because:

1. George clearly wanted to show that human beings/clones were superior

2. They were all gone by the time the OT began

3. You can only go by what's on screen which means protocol droids, astromech droids, BB-8 units, etc. No inventing badass "Top Gun" droids to pilot this made up fleet of expendable made up ships.

 

[aa909]

Oh so now you're inventing fleets of unmanned drones that don't exist in the films that the Rebels are supposed to be use from here on out. Awesome, lol. Please, keep going.

LOL! you said Holdo was the first to weaponize hyperspace. so now that it's been "discovered" the rebels would be stupid not to roll it out en mass. if they can build X Wings, they can sure build smaller, cheaper hyperspace drones... or are you saying new weapons (like weaponizing hyperspace) can't be introduced in SW movies? you can't have it both ways

 

[Khev]

I can’t believe the stuff i’m reading as “problems” not just with TLJ but now all of SW like holy crap!

Yep the whole Saga sucks now because apparently every battle ever should have been drone vs. drone combat, lol. Why weren't droids piloting the Hammerhead Corvette in RO? Stupid movie, lol.

 

[klwn]

Oh so we're back to the Alliance supposed to be wiping out their own entire fleet in a spectacular (albeit insanely brief) mass kamikaze attack. And it doesn't matter what the droids did in the PT because:

1. George clearly wanted to show them that human beings/clones were superior

2. They were all gone by the time the OT began

3. You can only go by what's on screen which means protocol droids, astromech droids, BB-8 units, etc. No inventing badass "Top Gun" droids to pilot this made up fleet of expendable made up ships.

But the ships literally were droids. These for example (I know you love anything that pertains to TPM ):

They would just have to build cheap droid ships with an hyperspace function. Big enough to cause damage. They don't even need weaponry.

And sure the Trade Federation wasn't around but that doesn't mean they couldn't be built, the technology to build droids is still there.

The problem isn't the scene itself in the current canon, it's what it means for everything that came before (or comes after).

 

[Prime Clone]

Prime Clone with the assist. An unlikely allied in the war against Supreme Leader Khev and Kylo Jye.

Our... rivalry... goes way back!

 

[Khev]

LOL! you said Holdo was the first to weaponize hyperspace. so now that it's been "discovered" the rebels would be stupid not to roll it out en mass. if they can build X Wings, they can sure build smaller, cheaper hyperspace drones... or are you saying new weapons can't be introduced in SW movies? you can't have it both ways

Uh, I'm pretty sure I said that TLJ showed the first scenario on screen where it made the most sense for the characters to even think of using such a tactic. But please continue telling us how the movies should feature nothing but little drones crashing into each other, lol.

Hey remember when Max took out Tina Turner's entire convoy by crashing into the lead car at the end of Thunderdome? How stupid that Fury Road didn't give us nothing but two hours of people crashing unmanned cars into one another.

 

[aa909]

That's irrelevant.
Droids flew or even were ships in the PT, and there is decades of technological advancement from TPM to TLJ. Therefore, droids can control a ship to hyperspace crash it into a bigger, almost stationary ship.

exactly! but let's just ignore the biggest ever plot hole in SW movie history and pretend weaponizing hyperspace was just a single fortuitous event that can never ever be replicated again. At least that's what I think JJ will have to do in Episode 9

 

[greedo737]

3. You can only go by what's on screen which means protocol droids, astromech droids, BB-8 units, etc. No inventing badass "Top Gun" droids to pilot this made up fleet of expendable made up ships.

Well then all they have to do is write that into a future script. If you show that light speed can decimate an entire fleet, why the **** WOULDN’T they use drones to do that in the future?!? It’ll save a whole lotta lives.

And they would be dumb NOT to use it so it was a stupid idea to bring it in to Star Wars. It was visually stunning and very cool, don’t get me wrong. But if you show it’s possible, then everyone should be doing it.

So now all future space battles should be over after the start. That’s why it was a dumb moment in the overall story.

 

[Prime Clone]

Yet another opportunity to point out the resemblance between Kylo's TIE Silencer and the Droid Starfighters (not to mention TIE Interceptor, TIE Advanced and Sith Infiltrator)

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

LOL! you said Holdo was the first to weaponize hyperspace. so now that it's been "discovered" the rebels would be stupid not to roll it out en mass. if they can build X Wings, they can sure build smaller, cheaper hyperspace drones... or are you saying new weapons (like weaponizing hyperspace) can't be introduced in SW movies? you can't have it both ways

Gooooooood.

 

[Khev]

But the ships literally were droids. These for example (I know you love anything that pertains to TPM ):

They would just have to build cheap droid ships with an hyperspace function. Big enough to cause damage. They don't even need weaponry.

And sure the Trade Federation wasn't around but that doesn't mean they couldn't be built, the technology to build droids is still there.

The problem isn't the scene itself in the current canon, it's what it means for everything that came before (or comes after).

Uh, that logic could be used to ask "why didn't the Rebels have legions of droid fighters supporting their X-Wing craft in the OT? I mean the technology was available right???" The answer is that they didn't have the means or the resources, end of story. You only get to reference the tools that they had at their disposal on screen. No making up all these other things that they supposedly should have built for themselves. Might as well criticize the Alliance for not building their own Star Destroyers, Death Star, etc.

All they had were a couple squads of fighters and a few capital ships. Period. And it would have been stupid for them to obliterate their own limited fleet.

 

[Adolfo]

Chewie, 3PO and R2 are going to be blown up with the Falcon.

God I hope so...it'll be a mercy killing

 

[greedo737]

And five big ass bombers that appeared out of no where ...

 

[TaliBane]

Oh, is that what it was? He kept batting her on the head with her lightsaber instead of just killing her so I must have misunderstood I guess that was another 'Rian change'. I'm not up on my Rian changes from just the one viewing.

Curious no one pursued the plans still if Snoke wanted the location. Or like that roomful of Rebels that all saw the map. Lot of options for Snoke besides difficult Rey. He's not very smart.

Snoke apparently had never heard of the term "spy," "guy on the inside" or as Austin Powers would call them: "Mooole!" The map was shown to dozens of people - all Snoke needed was a spy in the command ships.

Instead Snoke "happens" to pursue the one person who knows about the map/location... but who coincidentally is ALSO the most powerful force-sensitive person in the history of the galaxy? Which... Snoke only notices incidentally?

The whole thing is super strange. Like why didn't he just read her mind as soon as she walks into the room? Like... he had to ask nicely first?

And... if we're in a universe where people with powerful force abilities can project themselves across the galaxy and "virtually" be in spaces, then why didn't Snoke do what Luke did, but for much less time to listen in on the Resistance (it is obviously all that jokes-with-Kylo time Luke took on Not-Hoth, not the holo-experience itself, which seems like it could be safely done for a few minutes at a time.)