Jagjaguwar
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Can you explain? Not sure what you mean exactly. Do you mean Star Wars will have less cultural relevance as time goes by and more movies are added to the mix?
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Can you explain? Not sure what you mean exactly. Do you mean Star Wars will have less cultural relevance as time goes by and more movies are added to the mix?
jkno
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The new SW movies will have less cultural relevance. OT will remain the same, whether some believe it or not.
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Yep agreed 100% The OT literally changed the way movies were made and embedded itself into popular culture. While prequels are largely forgettable the newer stuff(TFA and R1) is actually pretty good but, they have nowhere near the cultural impact. Which is exactly why TFA and R1 play so heavily on nostalgia for the OT. The 2 newest movies, TFA was almost a direct lift of ANH storywise,(in addition to the inclusion of all the original cast) and R1 was directly tied to ANH. This alone should show that Disney knows what people want, the OT feeling again. Its a great attempt on their(Disneys) part, but nostalgia will wear thin and the new SW movies will just feel like new additions to the Marvel universe after awhile. A big deal at first but will fade quickly.
I say this being a huge SW fan, it is bittersweet, but it is ineviteable.
I am old enough though to have experienced the OT when it was first released so I will always have that
Jagjaguwar
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Ah, got it, thanks
I agree as far as the cultural phenomenon of a movie being in theaters for month upon month like the original, but I think that a growing collection of films that rival the OT in quality will keep the new films relevant culturally (ticket sales would seem to indicate this as well, and as much as the OT will probably remain my personal favorites I am unable to say that they are perfect in all aspects. Thus, it's possible for them to be surpassed.) I see the possibility for Star Wars to be like the James Bond series, where the new films (in that case the Daniel Craig ones) are given a place right alongside the classics (in that case the Connery films once thought to be "untouchable" in quality). Also similar in this comparison is the fact that many Bond fans may love the new movies without having seen all of the old ones.
As someone once said, "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future."
Edit: regarding nostalgia, remember that this is only a factor for those of us old enough to remember. I say this as a child of the late 80s who missed the original theatrical runs entirely, grew up watching VHS tv recordings, followed by the Special Editions and the Prequels. New and young fans won't have any nostalgia for the OT, and it can't really be "inherited" for those who don't have it.
I agree as far as the cultural phenomenon of a movie being in theaters for month upon month like the original, but I think that a growing collection of films that rival the OT in quality will keep the new films relevant culturally (ticket sales would seem to indicate this as well, and as much as the OT will probably remain my personal favorites I am unable to say that they are perfect in all aspects. Thus, it's possible for them to be surpassed.) I see the possibility for Star Wars to be like the James Bond series, where the new films (in that case the Daniel Craig ones) are given a place right alongside the classics (in that case the Connery films once thought to be "untouchable" in quality). Also similar in this comparison is the fact that many Bond fans may love the new movies without having seen all of the old ones.
As someone once said, "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future."
Edit: regarding nostalgia, remember that this is only a factor for those of us old enough to remember. I say this as a child of the late 80s who missed the original theatrical runs entirely, grew up watching VHS tv recordings, followed by the Special Editions and the Prequels. New and young fans won't have any nostalgia for the OT, and it can't really be "inherited" for those who don't have it.
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Being the highest grossing film in US history for a while will hold some cultural relevance. It's the only reason why people still talk about that awful Avatar movie.
Highest grossing movie but it can't sell a damn figure.
jkno
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Star Wars Original Trilogy is not Avatar. No true comparison can be made, unless you stretch it.
The difference between the various generations of Star Wars watchers could also be about the some of us who might be old enough to care a lot more about OT, versus the younger people who, too many times already, are becoming fans of every new movie that comes out, and none really having an impact on them, because their senses are toned down by the more and more special effects (SW or non-SW) movies out there.
But this also proves once again that the impact of OT will continue to be the same in history, and that it will remain a classic among classics, no matter if some in the new generations will watch OT or not. There are classic movies like for example Citizen Kane, Casablanca, Lawrence of Arabia, Gone with the Wind etc. which are still classic, and it doesn't really matter if young people have watched them or not. This is happening to OT now, maintaining its iconic status through history, no matter if 10 or 100 more SW movies will be made in the future.
Jagjaguwar
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For argument's sake one might add that a vast majority of Star Wars fans from the original theatrical run days also "moved on to new things" quite quickly after the hype died down. Such is the way of popular culture I suppose. The years when I was first becoming interested/conscious of Star Wars (early to mid-1990s) were very dead as far as public relevance for the franchise. There's a reason the POTF2 toy line and Special Edition releases were seen as injections of life into a dormant property.
Original point still stands (and becomes more well-supported): nostalgia is a HUGE part of what drives OT popularity. Take away that (by the addition of a horde of new or younger fans) and all films have an equal footing as far as nostalgia goes.
Original point still stands (and becomes more well-supported): nostalgia is a HUGE part of what drives OT popularity. Take away that (by the addition of a horde of new or younger fans) and all films have an equal footing as far as nostalgia goes.
jkno
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Everything you said above doesn't detract anything that I've said about OT being already a movie classic, deeply connected to the popular culture almost everywhere on the globe, and thus truly iconic and lasting long after we're gone, something not sure that will happen to the following SW movies.
Jagjaguwar
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This is true, as I've said they'll probably always be my favorites, and the classics will remain the classics
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The Star Wars films continue to make more and more money and with the current rollout plans that isn't going to stop anytime soon.
OT Elitism makes me cringe. OT Elitist at least need to clarify that they are not Star Wars fans. They are fans of three Star Wars movies.
OT Elitism makes me cringe. OT Elitist at least need to clarify that they are not Star Wars fans. They are fans of three Star Wars movies.
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Seriously? That's what you came back with? Not even worth arguing with your flawed logic...lol
jkno
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Seriously? That's what you came back with? Not even worth arguing with your flawed logic...lol
That is the only thing you understood from our discussion?
To stop your cringe use this and try to relax LOL:
If you liked TFA you are NOT a Star Wars fan, you probably love films like BVS of Gigli. I a fan of 6 SW films, haven't seen Rouge One. OT rules. When you get older you'll probably enjoy movies that are good and hate those dumb popcorn flicks. With age comes Wisdom. People in their 80's and 90's don't watch BVS and TFA.
For both above.Some people get very defensive over the prequels.
It's OK if others don't like them.
[RESIZE][/RESIZE]Umm did we loose track of this thread title ???
Star Wars forever !!!
Star Wars forever !!!
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When I get really old will I make awful comments like this? Because I'd rather John Belushi my way out if that's the case.
If anyone is was wondering what OT elitism I was referring to when I said I can't help but cringe, exhibit A your honor.
How is someone saying they only accept 6 SW films an example of OT elitism?
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Well the "OT" part was carried over from my reply to someone else. Pretend like that wasn't in my sentence to get the point. Saying you only "accept" some of the canon is silly because head canon is irrelevant. The Clone Wars and The Force Awakens are Star Wars. There is a big difference between not liking something from it (Because AOTC is easily the worst SW film made), and acting like it doesn't count.
The comic store owner in The Simpsons was basically created to mock these type of things.
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