SW VS. LOTR #12: Mace Windu VS. King Theoden

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Mace Windu VS. King Theoden

  • Mace Windu

    Votes: 38 43.7%
  • King Theoden

    Votes: 49 56.3%

  • Total voters
    87
tomandshell said:
He was very different in the book. Book Theoden actually rode out to confront Saruman, not to hide his people at Helm's Deep. Afterwards, he fully intends to gather his forces and head to Gondor. He actually sends a rider with the red arrow (a sign that Rohan is on its way), but that rider is killed and Denethor does not receive word of their approach. Ghan-buri-Ghan takes them on a secret path through the hills and brings them to the battle at Minas Tirith. At no time in the book does Theoden consider anything but death in battle. He never hesitates or reconsiders--from the moment that Gandalf revives him at Edoras, he sets out to defeat the enemy or die trying. Movie Theoden is constantly indecisive and second guesses himself. "Who am I, Gamling?" "Why should we help Gondor?" "I was not the one who led my people to victory at Helm's Deep, it was Aragorn and I'm just a failure, boo hoo." They rewrote his character and made him struggle with doubt and insecurity so that he could "earn" his death--"I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed." Like movie Faramir, he had to have some internal struggle to overcome before being allowed to be a purely strong character. PJ just likes people to be flawed and have some character development alien to the book. It supposedly makes the character more layered in the movie, even if it means a radical departure from the character that Tolkien envisioned and created. In Theoden's case, the character is made much weaker by PJ's changes, yet at the same time more sympathetic. We can relate to him more, and therefore feel more compassion when he dies. Also, there is more suspense created as we wonder what he will (or won't) do. I understand why they changed his character for the sake of the movie, I just don't necessarily prefer movie Theoden to book Theoden.


While I hear what you're saying. I am not basing my vote off of the books. I am going by the movies. Mace could have been much cooler IMO, but Theoden just made me mad with his seemingly endless "I give up" attitude.
 
I ditto the statement above. I had to go with Mace as well since I'm also comparing the movie versions.
 
Even if you compared the movie versions . . .unfortunately Mace's character was so wooden, and Theoden's so inspiring at the end, that I too was glad that Mace got killed off. The Clone Wars version was better because he was more action. In the movies, Mace was just not what expected a Jedi Master would do, especially at his rank.

Theoden on the other hand was manipulated by Saruman through Grima. Once he snapped out of it, he was one pissed mofo!

There's no question in my mind as to who the better "character" is. Wooden Mace or deeply divided Theoden . . .

At the end of the day, whom would you swear allegiance to after their death?
 
I voted Theoden as well.

Once could make an argument that, when the chips were down, Mace's arrogance was his downfall and the downfall of the Republic.
 
Customikey said:
I cared when Theoden died.

When Mace died, I thought ," Thank God." and "Damn, Palpy is awesome."

Exactly. "My body is broken," is moving. "Power! Unlimited power!!" is moving in a wholly different way.
 
Meh, Mace beat Palpy hands down. Palpy then acted all pathetic to get Akakin to turn.
 
gdb said:
Exactly. "My body is broken," is moving. "Power! Unlimited power!!" is moving in a wholly different way.

It moved both my bowels and my stomach! :sick

No, no, no ..... :emperor
 
Customikey said:
I cared when Theoden died.

When Mace died, I thought ," Thank God." and "Damn, Palpy is awesome."

And that's what it comes down to. The SW prequels, while they had some of the greatest art direction, its character development was more synthetic than a can of Pepsi. No amount of BAMF-ness can salvage that.

I think the only character I ended up caring for, at the end, was Obi-Wan - would have been GREAT to see Obi-Wan take on the Emperor as he intended to!
 
Amanaman said:
And that's what it comes down to. The SW prequels, while they had some of the greatest art direction, its character development was more synthetic than a can of Pepsi. No amount of BAMF-ness can salvage that.

I think the only character I ended up caring for, at the end, was Obi-Wan - would have been GREAT to see Obi-Wan take on the Emperor as he intended to!


Exactly my sentiments!!!
 
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