Swamp Thing Maquette

[MrSteerpike]

That's kind of what I'm wondering. We've read the product description at discussed and fought over it ad nauseum. There are tons more people around the world not part of the forum.

I mean, surely it'll have an impact on the speed of sales, but ultimately, if this thing is a flop or not, only time can tell. I'm not too confident that too many people outside of the diehards actually care. Buuuut....let's wait and see.

I think I'm going to just wait and see if I can pick this up for a drastically reduced price later on or on the aftermarket. Just gunna see what happens.



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[burtial]

I think you and others here are severely over estimating the number of people who care. If you look at the number of statues sold compared to the number of people on these forums, boards, and groups it is in no way representative of the market as a whole. The people represented here are the people who care but the others, are your average customer, go to a website, like item, hit "Buy" and never think of it again. Even when it's in hand, if it "looks" like the pictures, no breaks, we're good to go.

This will be easy to prove out by 3 factors-

1. ED size based upon their initial PO's (willing to be it will be a low ED)
2. How long they sit in their warehouse
3. How many times Swampy will be included on giveaways, discounts, ect..

We know the Alien statue took major flack, and nearly a year later they are still trying to move them all. Wolf Predator took major flack as well, and is practically guaranteed to be available for a long time even with it's very small ED size of 750. Going by what your saying, the majority of people will not be paying attention to our gripes and these should sell out in a short time...

Now we wait, and see who will be proven right.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I think you and others here are severely over estimating the number of people who care. If you look at the number of statues sold compared to the number of people on these forums, boards, and groups it is in no way representative of the market as a whole. The people represented here are the people who care but the others, are your average customer, go to a website, like item, hit "Buy" and never think of it again. Even when it's in hand, if it "looks" like the pictures, no breaks, we're good to go.

I think that's true to a certain extent. There are a ton of people that don't know this forum exists. I've been collecting for much longer than my join date here, and even after finding it almost didn't bother joining. However, with the prices in this hobby rising, impulse buys will decrease and more people are going to do some research before buying. That research will lead them to forums like this and they'll end up being influenced in some way by what's discussed here. One big issue Sideshow will have to deal with by making vinyl statues at these prices is the result from the perceived value of the piece when the customer receives it. If the impulse buying customer drops $800 plus shipping on this, finally receives it after the mandatory two to four month delay, and is disappointed because it feels like something they'd buy at Walmart, then they may not order anything from Sideshow again.

Another problem with making vinyl statues at these prices is that Sideshow is going to alienate their existing customers that are educated about the hobby. Vinyl pieces are more expensive because of the molds. Then why make them? Most collectors want a museum-quality statue not a vinyl figure, and if you're saying we can get that for cheaper than the offered vinyl then stop using vinyl. Worried about damage during shipping on a polystone piece? Then make your shipping boxes better quality. Take that money that you saved by not creating an art box for the Wolf Predator and put it toward better cushioning material. As far as I'm concerned, all Sideshow's collectibles can come in white boxes if I can get polystone pieces that will arrive without damage.

 

[prototypy]

The base is resin, I'm sure the details will hold up just fine in the base. Polystone holds details fine, how many detailed polystone statues do people need to see for evidence of that?

Perhaps sideshow should just look into more creative engineering and better quality packaging to eliminate breakage instead of opting to send us vinyl statues.

Can not agree more.
The weight does not equate value,it is true,but it does not means that collector should receive a plastic figure,that is not the same.

 

[BlackestNight]

I think that's true to a certain extent. There are a ton of people that don't know this forum exists. I've been collecting for much longer than my join date here, and even after finding it almost didn't bother joining. However, with the prices in this hobby rising, impulse buys will decrease and more people are going to do some research before buying. That research will lead them to forums like this and they'll end up being influenced in some way by what's discussed here. One big issue Sideshow will have to deal with by making vinyl statues at these prices is the result from the perceived value of the piece when the customer receives it. If the impulse buying customer drops $800 plus shipping on this, finally receives it after the mandatory two to four month delay, and is disappointed because it feels like something they'd buy at Walmart, then they may not order anything from Sideshow again.

Another problem with making vinyl statues at these prices is that Sideshow is going to alienate their existing customers that are educated about the hobby. Vinyl pieces are more expensive because of the molds. Then why make them? Most collectors want a museum-quality statue not a vinyl figure, and if you're saying we can get that for cheaper than the offered vinyl then stop using vinyl. Worried about damage during shipping on a polystone piece? Then make your shipping boxes better quality. Take that money that you saved by not creating an art box for the Wolf Predator and put it toward better cushioning material. As far as I'm concerned, all Sideshow's collectibles can come in white boxes if I can get polystone pieces that will arrive without damage.

I did order and was not discouraged in the least by the commentaries online. I hope potential buyers do not come to these forums "researching" and see overwhelming distain among a small group of collectors, who have never seen the product in person. The potential buyer being dismayed never looks back at SSC again. Thus, leading to less sales with less probability of the next B/C list DC character being made into a statue of such scale.

I think piece looks amazing, couldn't imagine not buying.

 

[drivingdutchman]

Worried about damage during shipping on a polystone piece? Then make your shipping boxes better quality. Take that money that you saved by not creating an art box for the Wolf Predator and put it toward better cushioning material. As far as I'm concerned, all Sideshow's collectibles can come in white boxes if I can get polystone pieces that will arrive without damage.

You know where my "art" boxes end up? In my shipping boxes in storage.


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[GeneralZodLives]

I did order and was not discouraged in the least by the commentaries online. I hope potential buyers do not come to these forums "researching" and see overwhelming distain among a small group of collectors, who have never seen the product in person. The potential buyer being dismayed never looks back at SSC again. Thus, leading to less sales with less probability of the next B/C list DC character being made into a statue of such scale.

I think piece looks amazing, couldn't imagine not buying.

I have seen this in person at SDCC, but what they put on display is not made of the same material the customer will receive. I do have the Wolf Predator bust, and can tell you that it is a huge drop-off compared to what I saw in person at SDCC 2016. If you're happy with Swamp Thing when you receive it, then it doesn't matter what anyone says. However, speaking from recent experience with Wolf, what I got for the price with a vinyl piece is a disappointment when compared to other Predator busts that are not vinyl.

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Mine do too, but developing those art boxes costs Sideshow money that they're passing on to the customer in the price of the statue. I'd prefer they apply that money to better shipping materials, but instead they'll just pocket it and offer plastic collectibles.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

I think you and others here are severely over estimating the number of people who care. If you look at the number of statues sold compared to the number of people on these forums, boards, and groups it is in no way representative of the market as a whole. The people represented here are the people who care but the others, are your average customer, go to a website, like item, hit "Buy" and never think of it again. Even when it's in hand, if it "looks" like the pictures, no breaks, we're good to go.

That's OK - we're allowed to disagree - it's in the Sadshow constitution

I'll stick with what we all found out during Wolfgate though

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[Heavy Metal Spike]

This will be easy to prove out by 3 factors-

1. ED size based upon their initial PO's (willing to be it will be a low ED)
2. How long they sit in their warehouse
3. How many times Swampy will be included on giveaways, discounts, ect..

We know the Alien statue took major flack, and nearly a year later they are still trying to move them all. Wolf Predator took major flack as well, and is practically guaranteed to be available for a long time even with it's very small ED size of 750. Going by what your saying, the majority of people will not be paying attention to our gripes and these should sell out in a short time...

Now we wait, and see who will be proven right.

Pirate Spike says "Aye Jim-lad!"

I see Wolf & Swampy piggy-banks holding my dubloons . . .

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[The Batman Professor]

Your perception of value for these collectibles should be based on what it looks like, not what it weighs (or smells like - moronic.) The Wolf Predator looks like crap because it's painted like crap. Give any good modeler a Wolf to paint, and it will look spectacular. I have vinyl pieces in my collection that have just as much detail as any resin piece. Check out the vinyl Phantom bust below and see what I'm saying regarding paint apps, or look at what Hot Toys or X-Plus does with vinyl.

This is all about breakage and cutting down on returns. It will probably backfire on Sideshow if the finished piece is painted like a claw toy prize and weighs 3lbs.

I think I'm going to just wait and see if I can pick this up for a drastically reduced price later on or on the aftermarket. Just gunna see what happens.

Same here, but if I do get one, I want the ex. There's no way I'm dropping $800 if this comes in needing a major repaint.

 

[The Batman Professor]

I think that's true to a certain extent. There are a ton of people that don't know this forum exists. I've been collecting for much longer than my join date here, and even after finding it almost didn't bother joining. However, with the prices in this hobby rising, impulse buys will decrease and more people are going to do some research before buying. That research will lead them to forums like this and they'll end up being influenced in some way by what's discussed here. One big issue Sideshow will have to deal with by making vinyl statues at these prices is the result from the perceived value of the piece when the customer receives it. If the impulse buying customer drops $800 plus shipping on this, finally receives it after the mandatory two to four month delay, and is disappointed because it feels like something they'd buy at Walmart, then they may not order anything from Sideshow again.

Another problem with making vinyl statues at these prices is that Sideshow is going to alienate their existing customers that are educated about the hobby. Vinyl pieces are more expensive because of the molds. Then why make them? Most collectors want a museum-quality statue not a vinyl figure, and if you're saying we can get that for cheaper than the offered vinyl then stop using vinyl. Worried about damage during shipping on a polystone piece? Then make your shipping boxes better quality. Take that money that you saved by not creating an art box for the Wolf Predator and put it toward better cushioning material. As far as I'm concerned, all Sideshow's collectibles can come in white boxes if I can get polystone pieces that will arrive without damage.

Those are all good points. I guess I just don't have issue with vinyl as a material being used for high-end collectibles, as long as the finished piece looks like a high-end collectible.

 

[burtial]

Oh yeah..nothing wrong with vinyl...

 

[Sara_au]

Your perception of value for these collectibles should be based on what it looks like, not what it weighs (or smells like - moronic.) The Wolf Predator looks like crap because it's painted like crap. Give any good modeler a Wolf to paint, and it will look spectacular. I have vinyl pieces in my collection that have just as much detail as any resin piece. Check out the vinyl Phantom bust below and see what I'm saying regarding paint apps, or look at what Hot Toys or X-Plus does with vinyl.

This is all about breakage and cutting down on returns. It will probably backfire on Sideshow if the finished piece is painted like a claw toy prize and weighs 3lbs.

Same here, but if I do get one, I want the ex. There's no way I'm dropping $800 if this comes in needing a major repaint.

I don't think you can make a sweeping comment on how everyone "should" perceive value in the things they spent their money on. Beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that.

That's a fantastic repaint on your bust but the material is still very obvious, unless that was the kind of finish you were going for. You certainly shouldn't be expecting that kind of paint job from a factory.

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

I don't think you can make a sweeping comment on how everyone "should" perceive value in the things they spent their money on. Beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that.

Yup.

And my "perception of value" on the Wolf bust was that it was an impeccable sculpt not even worth 1/2 of it's asking price, because of it's obvious resemblance to a Funko Pop! figure when in-hand

That's a fantastic repaint on your bust but the material is still very obvious, unless that was the kind of finish you were going for. You certainly shouldn't be expecting that kind of paint job from a factory.

That repaint is by Ali (3demonic) - one of the very best model painters in the world.

Awesome, humble and kind fella, who is sorely missed by many of his forum friends in the modelling community.


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[xipotec]

I wouldn't pay that price for vinyl either....




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[SolidLiquidFox]

Lots of cons against vinyl/PVC. We'll see if preorders and eventual orders once it's released reflect how everyone supposedly feels.

I have seen plenty of these type of rants/outrage to then see people buy the statue anyways. Either because they just can't live without it, they love the sculptor, they love the character or they get a "deal" with a free shipping or a percentage off coupon. If all this disappointment holds true then the total ES of Swamp Thing should be below 500 units Reg/Ex.

 

[INFECDEAD]

Oh yeah..nothing wrong with vinyl...

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[MrSteerpike]

Oh yeah..nothing wrong with vinyl...

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Took a minute to realize she wasn't flying. Lol.

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[SolidLiquidFox]

Annie are you okay...are you okay Annie?

 

[MrSteerpike]

Yikes....wow...that's. ...umm....eeewww....

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