Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

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Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

This film my MOST wanted to see this Summer- AOU already automatic see but I have this HUGE desire to see what this comes to- no matter how BAD..I actually think this will be better than most of you think it will be...

"You know what? This turd isn't nearly as smelly and nutty as I thought it would be." :lol
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

This film my MOST wanted to see this Summer- AOU already automatic see but I have this HUGE desire to see what this comes to- no matter how BAD..I actually think this will be better than most of you think it will be...

Only because our expectations are set at rock bottom.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

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Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

"My CPU is a neural-net processor... a learning computer. But Skynet presets the switch to 'read-only' when we are sent out alone." The first 1984 T-800 was most certainly "sent out alone" and didn't need his chip reset to learn. But...I could see someone making a case based on what Uncle Bob means by "learning." Maybe the first Terminator was programmed with "Get clothes, get weapons, go through the phone book and blow away every Sarah Connor you find. Speak to humans only when you need something, repeat their own dialogue and phrases back to them as necessary." That could theoretically be all the first Terminator "knew," in which case he wasn't so much learning a new phrase (**** you ***hole) as he was just following the directive that instructs him to repeat dialogue as appropriate. He probably didn't even know what that phrase actually meant other than you apparently say it when you want to make somebody leave you alone.

So I do think you could make an adequate bridge between T1 and the T2 SE if you like that theory.



How do you know that it wasn't it's mission? Primary mission? No. But I think the fact that John's "orders" couldn't overrule the decision indicated that it was programmed to seek it's own destruction once John was protected from the T-1000. "I cannot self terminate" has always been weird though. You can't kill yourself but you can give up and instruct someone how to kill you? Even to the point of stepping onto the device that will be your doom? Same damn thing dude. :lol

I understand Cameron's reasoning for the contrivance of course, the ending wouldn't have been nearly as poignant if Uncle Bob simply did a running cannonball into the steel instead of slowly letting the movie's theme song play as they all gazed into each other's eyes. :lol

I always took the '**** you ***hole' line in T1 to be something learned by rote. It heard it from the punk, it memorised it as a possible useful response and selected it from a list.

It didn't have any deeper understanding of the phrase, or the context. It couldn't ponder the philosophical ramifications of the phrase '**** you ***hole'. It couldn't adapt or change it, or put its own spin on it.

It couldn't learn on that kind of a level, just mimic things like a parrot mimics sounds or a chameleon mimics colours. I think that's the difference between read and write in this case, a model set to read can memorise and parrot new information, a model set to write can actually internalise it.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Probably dead-on as to Cameron's intentions.

I still think it's an unnecessary overcomplication though - like Lucas with the Qui-gon not disappearing when he died/ force ghost crap (or indeed Qui-gon even existing in the first place)

We could easily infer that the T1 T-800 had the same learning ability as the T2 version, he simply wasn't in a position to really avail of it or to need to avail of it.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Man, Yoda's last comments to Obi-Wan about "go meditate because your old master learned how to live on in death, even though his body DIDN'T disappear so chew on that one for 20 years" was just so shoehorned and bizarre.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

If HT is giving us a Genisys T-800 they must make a T-850 so we can have all the Arnold Terminators.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

If HT is giving us a Genisys T-800 they must make a T-850 so we can have all the Arnold Terminators.

Might aswell. Full BD T-850 is actually a dream figure, despite my disgust toward that movie. Just imagine how cool that would look.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Man, Yoda's last comments to Obi-Wan about "go meditate because your old master learned how to live on in death, even though his body DIDN'T disappear so chew on that one for 20 years" was just so shoehorned and bizarre.

:exactly:

If Qui-gon was the first to live on after death then why wouldn't his body disappear? And why even make something of it at all. In Ep IV Ben's body disappeared and in VI Yoda's body disappeared - we all just assumed that's what happens to Jedi when they die. Nothing more need have been said. Certainly not when there was so much other stuff he didn't put in the movies that he should have.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

A few days ago both T2 and T3 were on basic cable at the same time and for the heck of it I watched portions of each while flipping back and forth between both. Man there is SO much dodgy CGI in T3. All the action in T2 still holds up because it was all real trucks, real choppers, real stunts.

I hate the way T3 goes in and out of CG sequences, a bouncing CG pickup truck here, a "too fast" throw of a CG T-X through a wall there, CG tires bouncing around. I ended up not even liking the fully BD T-850 at the end because it was just one more cartoony aspect of the movie. I think I always just accepted it because the visuals do kind of match other movies of the early 2000's but they are SO not "Cameron Terminator." Cameron's chases were like watching Mad Max set in modern day Los Angeles. Not the Pixar crap of the third one.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Yea T3 pretty much looks like a made for TV movie.

As ****** as Salvation was, it at least looked great.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Yeah at least Salvation only used CG for things that didn't exist like HK's and so forth instead of animating contemporary pick-up trucks and things.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

A few days ago both T2 and T3 were on basic cable at the same time and for the heck of it I watched portions of each while flipping back and forth between both. Man there is SO much dodgy CGI in T3. All the action in T2 still holds up because it was all real trucks, real choppers, real stunts.

I hate the way T3 goes in and out of CG sequences, a bouncing CG pickup truck here, a "too fast" throw of a CG T-X through a wall there, CG tires bouncing around. I ended up not even liking the fully BD T-850 at the end because it was just one more cartoony aspect of the movie. I think I always just accepted it because the visuals do kind of match other movies of the early 2000's but they are SO not "Cameron Terminator." Cameron's chases were like watching Mad Max set in modern day Los Angeles. Not the Pixar crap of the third one.

Early to mid 2000's was a horrible time for films aesthetically. George Lucas seemed to have convinced everybody that it was better making films in a computer, despite the end results looking terrible.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

Early to mid 2000's was a horrible time for films aesthetically. George Lucas seemed to have convinced everybody that it was better making films in a computer, despite the end results looking terrible.

By "films" I assume you mean sci-fi/fantasy. Because lots of other films of the early 2000's looked and still look great. But yeah, a lot of sci-fi/fantasy from that time looks horrible now. So many bad scenes in movies like Spider-Man 2002, Daredevil, the first Harry Potter, Matrix Reloaded, etc.

A couple movies still look great. Minority Report and the first Pirates still hold up (and LOTR obviously.)
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

By "films" I assume you mean sci-fi/fantasy. Because lots of other films of the early 2000's looked and still look great. But yeah, a lot of sci-fi/fantasy from that time looks horrible now. So many bad scenes in movies like Spider-Man 2002, Daredevil, the first Harry Potter, Matrix Reloaded, etc.

A couple movies still look great. Minority Report and the first Pirates still hold up (and LOTR obviously.)

Yes, I was talking about mainstream/high budget movies. Funny how Lord of the Rings bucked the trend with seriously smart use of CGI and lots of miniature and practical effects, but most of the stuff in the Hobbit movies looks like it just stepped out of Zbrush.
 
Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)



^ this has never looked quite right to me. I don't think the endoskull should have quite so much empty space as seen here. I mean where is the spine connecting into the skull? And how are all the normal human internals of his mouth still there and in complete shadow like as though that area hasn't been opened up.
 
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