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Re: Terminator: Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
Chip scene and 'Read/-Only' scenes make sense to me.
The T-800 was in a cold storage room, reprogrammed by the Resistance. Skynet probably had all of those set to Read-Only. You know, like grunts and infantry. The Columbu T-800 that infiltrates the base, the HKs we see in both films (Kyle Reese said they weren't very bright), the Endos we see on the battlefield in the T2 prologue, etc. those were probably all Read-Only. Uncle Bob was just a random, run off the mill T-800 before the Resistance programmed it. The Resistance didn't have a clue about switching the tab or whatever and figured just programming it to protect John was good enough (and it would have been).
"Skynet doesn't want you to do much thinking", well, yeah. If these machines are so advanced, then it makes sense that Skynet would fear having them go rogue. If you have a cyborg that's learning more and more, what if it abandons Skynet? It would be it's own sentient being. Skynet has nothing to lose with the original 1984 T-800 because that creation/intention is to save it's own ass. It can do all the free thinking ("**** you ********") that it wants because it's in a different time. A battlefield full of those though? That might not be good for Skynet. A group of them could go rouge and do some serious damage if they start thinking about logic. Look at Uncle Bob, it was it's idea to prevent Judgment Day by destroying Cyberdyne. IT decided to go down that chain, into the hot molten steel. It wasn't even it's mission! It was just the logic of preventing the war.
Also, in the making of documentaries and behind the scenes commentary by James Cameron and the other writers, Skynet is actually fearful of the T-1000 because it has a mind of it's own. It was Skynet's last creation and was capable of doing anything it wanted. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but Cameron said somewhere that to Skynet, the T-1000 is it's LAST resort. Skynet just wants Connor dead, so it sends it's worst assassin yet.
As for "feels", I don't think the Uncle Bob T-800 felt ****. Of course it wasn't going to cry or say it was afraid. I do think it looked at John and Sarah as allies and "friends" though, a comradery you know? He/it said sorry to John because he knew that sacrificing itself would hurt him. Yeah, he doesn't feel those things himself, but he knows and understands it. If it was just a big, dopey machine following orders, it wouldn't have thought up the Cyberdyne destruction, it wouldn't care about preventing the war. There wouldn't be a thumbs up, there wouldn't be it's own devilish smile, and there wouldn't be things like a "click" gesture to Dyson when it shows him how to use the detonator. By the end of the film, it had it's own personality. True, it learned most of those things and isn't a "real boy", but it's still characteristics and logic.
T-1000 on the other hand . . . .
Chip scene and 'Read/-Only' scenes make sense to me.
The T-800 was in a cold storage room, reprogrammed by the Resistance. Skynet probably had all of those set to Read-Only. You know, like grunts and infantry. The Columbu T-800 that infiltrates the base, the HKs we see in both films (Kyle Reese said they weren't very bright), the Endos we see on the battlefield in the T2 prologue, etc. those were probably all Read-Only. Uncle Bob was just a random, run off the mill T-800 before the Resistance programmed it. The Resistance didn't have a clue about switching the tab or whatever and figured just programming it to protect John was good enough (and it would have been).
"Skynet doesn't want you to do much thinking", well, yeah. If these machines are so advanced, then it makes sense that Skynet would fear having them go rogue. If you have a cyborg that's learning more and more, what if it abandons Skynet? It would be it's own sentient being. Skynet has nothing to lose with the original 1984 T-800 because that creation/intention is to save it's own ass. It can do all the free thinking ("**** you ********") that it wants because it's in a different time. A battlefield full of those though? That might not be good for Skynet. A group of them could go rouge and do some serious damage if they start thinking about logic. Look at Uncle Bob, it was it's idea to prevent Judgment Day by destroying Cyberdyne. IT decided to go down that chain, into the hot molten steel. It wasn't even it's mission! It was just the logic of preventing the war.
Also, in the making of documentaries and behind the scenes commentary by James Cameron and the other writers, Skynet is actually fearful of the T-1000 because it has a mind of it's own. It was Skynet's last creation and was capable of doing anything it wanted. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but Cameron said somewhere that to Skynet, the T-1000 is it's LAST resort. Skynet just wants Connor dead, so it sends it's worst assassin yet.
As for "feels", I don't think the Uncle Bob T-800 felt ****. Of course it wasn't going to cry or say it was afraid. I do think it looked at John and Sarah as allies and "friends" though, a comradery you know? He/it said sorry to John because he knew that sacrificing itself would hurt him. Yeah, he doesn't feel those things himself, but he knows and understands it. If it was just a big, dopey machine following orders, it wouldn't have thought up the Cyberdyne destruction, it wouldn't care about preventing the war. There wouldn't be a thumbs up, there wouldn't be it's own devilish smile, and there wouldn't be things like a "click" gesture to Dyson when it shows him how to use the detonator. By the end of the film, it had it's own personality. True, it learned most of those things and isn't a "real boy", but it's still characteristics and logic.
T-1000 on the other hand . . . .
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