Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[RIDDICK]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

Salvation wasn't awesome in any way. But... I really liked Marcus, can't help it.
The idea behind the character was great, too bad twas blown up by incompetent filmmakers.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

Salvation wasn't awesome in any way. But... I really liked Marcus, can't help it.
The idea behind the character was great, too bad twas blown up by incompetent filmmakers.

McG is a hack. Bale was terrible, I cannot fathom why he chose to do a Batman impression in it.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

History's' gonna repeat itself.

 

[fosing]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

well, it's Moses turn with batman voice. yippppeeee.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

Thank god T1 and T2 are self contained from this horse ****

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

I think you're the only person I've ever seen on this entire forum who actually liked that steaming pile of ****.

Sure there were elements that were absolutely turdtastic (the poorly CG'd T800 scene in it's entirety), but as a prologue, it wasn't that bad. The problem is we only got to see 1/3 of what was planned. I wonder if people would've accepted it better if we got all 3 films.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

Sure there were elements that were absolutely turdtastic (the poorly CG'd T800 scene in it's entirety), but as a prologue, it wasn't that bad. The problem is we only got to see 1/3 of what was planned. I wonder if people would've accepted it better if we got all 3 films.

I think what immediately threw me off was how well off the resistance was compared to T1 and T2's opening, it didn't seem as dire as Kyle made it out to be. But then again, he just came back from the T-800 era.

Only thing I really liked in the film was seeing Kyle and where John got his scar... but the scar is a plot hole in T2 considering the 800 series wouldn't of existed as early as it did in the original timeline... I think. I think it's best to ignore TS as much as possible.

Although Terminator's whole story is based around the plot hole of Kyle being John's dad

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

I think what immediately threw me off was how well off the resistance was compared to T1 and T2's opening, it didn't seem as dire as Kyle made it out to be. But then again, he just came back from the T-800 era.

Only thing I really liked in the film was seeing Kyle and where John got his scar... but the scar is a plot hole in T2 considering the 800 series wouldn't of existed as early as it did in the original timeline... I think. I think it's best to ignore TS as much as possible.

Although Terminator's whole story is based around the plot hole of Kyle being John's dad

By that rational, why didn't the T1000 assume the look of Kyle Reese in T2? Sarah would've thought it was a dream and BAM! Dead. John comes to the funeral, BAM! Dead. Overanalize any of the films and you can find major plotholes. I'm still wondering how the T1000 even managed to get through considering nothing about it was alive.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

**** all that. bring back furlong. he looks like post judgment day as is already.

And that's probably one of the better pictures of him.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

By that rational, why didn't the T1000 assume the look of Kyle Reese in T2? Sarah would've thought it was a dream and BAM! Dead. John comes to the funeral, BAM! Dead. Overanalize any of the films and you can find major plotholes. I'm still wondering how the T1000 even managed to get through considering nothing about it was alive.

Too right, it's full of paradoxes. John shouldn't even exist in the original unaltered timeline, and the only reason for Skynet to exist in the first place was the T-800 going back to 1984.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

Too right, it's full of paradoxes. John shouldn't even exist in the original unaltered timeline, and the only reason for Skynet to exist in the first place was the T-800 going back to 1984.

Yup, which is why I check my brain at the door and just hope for some cool action sequences and a slight story progression.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

One of my **** retentive beefs with Terminator is that with Skynet sending a Terminator back to the past first - why wasn't success guaranteed and instantaneously felt in 2029? You send a Terminator back to 1984, it and its actions should instantly be part of the past, the past has already happened. If it works, and barring some accident it should, Skynet should know right away that John Connor wasn't born.....or would it? If John Connor wasn't born there was no need to time travel in the first place, so did any of that happen at all and would Skynet have any knowledge of it? *head explodes* But if we go back a bit on that line of thinking and assume that since Skynet sent the T-800 back first, there really should have been no time for the resistance to respond as they did by sending back Kyle Reese. The fact that they could respond strongly suggests that changing the past does nothing to affect the 'present' (2029) - all it does is set up a parallel timeline which could play out differently than the original timeline. If that is the case, does Skynet know, and why does it care enough to take an action that will benefit not itself, but only its alternate timeline counterpart? *head re-explodes*

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

I always wondered that too, it should be immediately in history how things went in the 80s. "The Terminator has already gone through. Connor sent me to intercept." This proves there is separate universes in Terminator considering the instant he left for 84, Sarah would be dead.

I always think of the "Grandfather Paradox" theory when it comes to Terminator. If you go back and time and kill your grandfather, will it wipe his descendants from existence? Or will there be some sort of scenario that prevents a deviated timeline?

I've come to the realization lately, that Kyle is not John's dad but it's rather Sara's boyfriend Stan. Meaning she was pregnant before she even met Kyle. But another thing that doesn't register is when Kyle is telling Sara about all she did in preparing John for the war in the past-tense. This confirms that before Kyle even went back, the timeline was already altered.

T1 and T2 high in the food chain of Sci Fi films, but damn do they not make any sense. This is a good read on the subject. https://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Predestination_paradox

The events of T1 were supposed to happen, and were already scripted and there was no changing it. T2 wasn't predetermined at all, since they changed fate.

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

No it shouldn't.
You guys talking about time and its altering like if it is a well studied thing or even common for everyday use
There's chaos theory, butterfly effect, worldlines, etc. And it's all just theories.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

No it shouldn't.
You guys talking about time and its altering like if it is a well studied thing or even common for everyday use
There's chaos theory, butterfly effect, worldlines, etc

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

 

[Khev]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

I like that Reese called it "time displacement." It sounds like Cameron wanted to make it easy to accept alternate timelines/universes by calling it that instead of time travel. Obviously they are doing more than simply traveling through time on one linear path. Otherwise Reese should have shown up at the same dumpster as the terminator. That would have been awkward.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

I like that Reese called it "time displacement." It sounds like Cameron wanted to make it easy to accept alternate timelines/universes by calling it that instead of time travel. Obviously they are doing more than simply traveling through time on one linear path. Otherwise Reese should have shown up at the same dumpster as the terminator. That would have been awkward.

But how do the terminators know which alternate past to send the terminators back to? Why not just send the T1000 with a default likeness of Reese? Sarah accepts him thinking it's a dream, he kills her, then plays Sarah Connor waiting for John to rescue her, BAM! Skynet wins!

 

[a-dev]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

But how do the terminators know which alternate past to send the terminators back to? Why not just send the T1000 with a default likeness of Reese? Sarah accepts him thinking it's a dream, he kills her, then plays Sarah Connor waiting for John to rescue her, BAM! Skynet wins!

Hah! Imagine if they had done that. Basically reverse T1, Arnie is the good guy and Michael Biehn is the bad guy playing the T-1000....bizarre thought but I'd almost love to have seen that. On the downside you wouldn't have Robert Patrick's great performance.

 

[Khev]

Re: Terminator 5 - Shooting Jan 2014

But how do the terminators know which alternate past to send the terminators back to?

Obviously we don't know. I think a reasonable explanation for such a crazy scenario would just be that the very act of time displacement creates an alternate universe. So originally there is just one universe with one timeline then Arnold and Reese going back means they cease to exist in the first timeline and appear in an exact copy of the first timeline's past and then change the future for that universe.

Of course this would mean that both Skynet and the Resistance's attempt to change the outcome of their current war would unbeknownst to them be in vain because both time travelers would only impact the undetermined future of the alternate world.

Where it gets muddy is the polaroid that "Timeline 1" Reese has prior to going back which is then somehow duplicated after he changes events. So either the polaroid proves that the whole thing is an impossible paradox or both timelines just ended up having the fluke one in a billion occurrence of her getting her picture taken at the exact same place from the exact same angle with the exact same look on her face.