Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

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I don't think all pops has is a shotgun. They deliberately went there to take out that t-800, so I'm betting they are holding back on just how they take him out of commission. I'm willing to give this a shot, but I'm also fully ready to admit that this movie was a bad move.

It's possible Sarah turns up with one of those cannons that we saw in one of the released scenes. She says ''Reese those bullets will kill him'' or something to that effect. Just, you'd have to wonder why they don't use this gun to start with, why they don't snipe the 1984 Terminator with it. Why risk a hand-to-hand battle that Pops could just as easily lose.

Oh, I don't consider the other soldier being canon either, but I do think the point of the original was that the time travelers were sent to random destinations, well, Reese anyway. He lands hard. In my mind, there was nothing to protect him from fusing to the environment (unlike the T2 spheres that melt anything in it's path for protection) and he could have very well arrived 30 feet in the air as opposed to just 8.

It makes the situation much more perilous for Reese and a risky plan for Connor and the Resistace. I like the idea that there's a risk that Kyle Reese could have been trapped inside a wall or fell to his death and be mistaken for a suicide jumper, leaving the Terminator, alone, with Sarah Connor in 1984. The original script, and even the final film has this feel of despair and treacherous dangers to it, from the rag tag future soldiers getting blown to bits to little kids playing/hunting rats, most likely to eat. I'd like to think that sending Reese and later, the reprogrammed T-800 (thanks to the events in T1) is a risky juncture. Knowing RIGHT where your soldier or machine is arriving kind of defeats that. I mean, LA is totally leveled. How would Skynet or the resistance remember the exact terrain and building locations from 45 years ago? I suppose Skynet could have files from developmental projects and maps from the past (assuming they weren't destroyed in the nuclear fire) but the resistance? They'd be taking shots in the dark. I guess Skynet, being an all thinking being might know where it sent the '84 T-800 and the T-1000 even though it was a last ditch effort, but I like to think that for Connor's technicians, they didn't fully understand the equipment they were using. For all they knew, Kyle might not even survive the trip. The original screenplay for T2 goes into all this, Connor even tells Reese to put his faith into the machine (the time travel equipment) because he's afraid to step out into the abyss.


I doubt Genisys dabbles in any of this. It's going to be a sterile and safe hollywood movie. They'll probably have exposition in the beginning that tells the audience that they're plugging in exact coordinates to the locations or Pops has files on everything from every point and time. Or hell, maybe not have a reason for any of it at all. :lol

Well I'm not saying this is how it should be, only making a suggestion as to how Pops can possibly know where the '84 T-800 will arrive and where Reese will arrive. But as you say, they might not bother to explain it at all. What we can be quite sure of is that Pops has to come from the future war with this information, he can't learn it in the past. If they know in the future, then there logically has to be a way that they know - enter my suggestion.

On the matter of how would they know the exact layouts of cities that no longer exist...well there must be some remnants plus, as you said, some sort of records. Skynet probably more immediately has access to this information. The resistance, well some of them will remember, having been alive before the war. But otherwise they could find out or make educated guesses? Also, they might have had sufficient time to figure it all out. Even though the Terminator had already gone through they all still existed for some reason. Perhaps due to a BTTF-style delay of the changes in a timeline (OR the whole time travel plan is pointless and they just don't know it, not even Skynet - that other problem we've discussed before).
 
Hell, I think there's a time placement device in 1984. I bet this Pops T-800 is an expert in time travel and even built the ****ing thing! :lol

Ha! Yeah, I bet that the build of the time-displacement equipment is entirely dependant on information and/or technology from the future, just like Skynet itself, adding to the whole paradox craziness.
 
Yeah.

I already know Genisys is going to run into a pretty big plot hole that will take people out of the experience. The movie starts out normally, right? Everything that we know so far? Connor and the resistance fight Skynet and it's machines in an all out war. Connor and his soldiers defeat them. They shut down. Connor storms Skynet's base. They find out that a Terminator has been sent back to kill Sarah Connor. John needs a volunteer, Kyle, predictably, volunteers. John goes back to fight the Terminator in 1984.

That John Connor in the beginning is clearly the John Connor "we know" from the original movies, the main plot points anyway. He's not a cyborg thing yet. That means he was raised by his mom, who was hunted in 1984. So what is this Pops, T-1000, 1974, kid Sarah Connor crap? If that happened, and obviously it has, this timeline with Kyle and John shouldn't even occur where they're sending him back to 1984. It wouldn't exist. If it does, how does John not know that they sent a Pops T-800 to protect a little kid Sarah? What the hell?

Likewise, what is Skynet ****ing doing? Sending a T-800 back to kill Sarah (pre John) and a T-1000 (kid John) as a last ditch effort isn't enough? What the hell? I thought Skynet didn't know exactly who Sarah was? Not her age, not her address, nothing. That's why the T-800 is systematically killing each one it comes across. So why then did Skynet send back a Terminator to kill her (or her parents, still not sure about that one) in the 70s? Why did it bother sending a Terminator back to 1984 if it tried that **** in the 70s? Why attack Sarah twice? If it ain't going to work once, it's not going to work again. Might as well send it after John just in case, right? What the ****? :lol
 
This apparently will get solved from what I´ve read.

Those continous changes to the timeline (kinda acknowledging the other terminator installments) and those newly sent terminators ****** with the timeline and for now it seems that those changes didn´t quite get to the new future timeline, with Skynet not knowing everything and John, Kyle and the others also not.
And that´s where the big surprise for Kyle comes from.

My logic + official synposis for now...
 
This apparently will get solved from what I´ve read.

Those continous changes to the timeline (kinda acknowledging the other terminator installments) and those newly sent terminators ****** with the timeline and for now it seems that those changes didn´t quite get to the new future timeline, with Skynet not knowing everything and John, Kyle and the others also not.
And that´s where the big surprise for Kyle comes from.

My logic + official synposis for now...

**** blocking the future. :lol
 
So it seems like, as time goes on, the movies make Terminators out to be more and more impressive. Initially they were strong, but by T3 they could pick up cars and thrown them around or whatever? And initially they had very simple programming, but now they can give marriage counseling, etc. Stands to reason they would now use their genius level robot intellects to be develop machines to pinpoint where Terminators were going to appear in the future before they actually appear.
 
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It is, on the face of it, a ludicrous and faintly depressing spectacle, like watching a “Terminator” highlights reel stiffly enacted by Hollywood’s latest bright young things (which makes the appearance of J.K. Simmons all the more welcome in the minor role of a police detective). Yet while “Terminator Genesis” is far from a perfect movie, it may well be a perfect product of its time and place, one that ably reflects the ruthless economy of the industry in general and the thematic logic of this series in particular. The “Terminator” franchise, by now, has become its own worst Skynet — a monument to self-regeneration that endlessly repackages the same old thrills in ever sleeker, sexier models, and that gladly screws with its own past to ensure its future survival. You can’t quite call it obsolete, perhaps, but damned if it doesn’t feel awfully futile.
 
So it seems like, as time goes on, the movies make Terminators out to be more and more impressive. Initially they were strong, but by T3 they could pick up cars and thrown them around or whatever? And initially they had very simple programming, but now they can give marriage counseling, etc. Stands to reason they would now use their genius level robot intellects to be develop machines to pinpoint where Terminators were going to appear in the future before they actually appear.

Meh. Vin Diesel can pick up cars. He ain't no Terminator.
 
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