The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
That's was pretty funny, but there isn't too much to make fun of in the actual movie.
Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
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That's was pretty funny, but there isn't too much to make fun of in the actual movie.
Actual reviews:
Hollywood Reporter: 'Terminator: Genisys': Film Review - The Hollywood Reporter
Variety: ‘Terminator Genisys’ Review: Arnold Schwarzenegger Rebooted | Variety
Several other reviews (I'm sure will be ignored) feel the same way about this film.
Hollywood Reporter: 'Terminator: Genisys': Film Review - The Hollywood Reporter
Variety: ‘Terminator Genisys’ Review: Arnold Schwarzenegger Rebooted | Variety
Several other reviews (I'm sure will be ignored) feel the same way about this film.
Collectorcol
Super Freak
Yeah, my quote was from Variety summing it up as a dog turd.
Doesn't look like the "surprise" that Jurassic World or Fury Road was.
Of course, that doesn't surprise at all.
Of course, that doesn't surprise at all.
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
Are reviews even necessary? We can tell is a piece a crap, but the sad thing is, a lot of people will be entertained by it....
I think many here are still hoping for greatness... or at least satisfaction. I think its best to see this expecting the worst.
Really frustrating how no one can seem to get a handle on this franchise for 25 years now.
Really frustrating how no one can seem to get a handle on this franchise for 25 years now.
Collectorcol
Super Freak
There's some pretty awesome looking products available but I can't buy anything with a 'GENISYS' nameplate on it if it makes me
It's like buying Salvation stuff. Anyone got any of that still?
Only good thing was that squirmy snake-inator.
Only good thing was that squirmy snake-inator.
Uncanny Web-Slinger
Super Freak
Not looking good
A lot of collectors here do, Salvation had some incredible designs.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Don't read those reviews if you don't want all the timeline/time travel answers.
Crazy ass concepts.
Crazy ass concepts.
Are reviews even necessary? We can tell is a piece a crap, but the sad thing is, a lot of people will be entertained by it....
Why is that sad?
The whole point in seeing a movie is to be entertained. Anyone expecting a true T1/T2 follow up is sure to be disappointed.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Worked well for JW.
Problem is it doesn't seem like many have been 'entertained' so far.
Collectorcol
Super Freak
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
Why is that sad?
It's good for them, but bad for the film industry. I don't doubt that the people involve in the film wanted to make a good film, but it seems they have failed, so for people to have such low expectations and accept mediocrity just because it's entertaining on some level, it only enables the studios to not try harder and to be complacent, because people will pay to see anything. Remember how back in the mid to late 90's all the studios were making disaster movies because people were entertained by them, but now it retrospect, we see how bad and forgettable all those films were?The massive success of films like JW, Transformers, and possibly TG, can only hurt the quality of films.
Read a few reviews today. The general consensus is that the film is pure summer popcorn fun, like Jurassic World. Also, they all say Jai Courtney is horribly miscast and has zero chemistry or charisma in the film.
Yeah.
I already know Genisys is going to run into a pretty big plot hole that will take people out of the experience. The movie starts out normally, right? Everything that we know so far? Connor and the resistance fight Skynet and it's machines in an all out war. Connor and his soldiers defeat them. They shut down. Connor storms Skynet's base. They find out that a Terminator has been sent back to kill Sarah Connor. John needs a volunteer, Kyle, predictably, volunteers. John goes back to fight the Terminator in 1984.
That John Connor in the beginning is clearly the John Connor "we know" from the original movies, the main plot points anyway. He's not a cyborg thing yet. That means he was raised by his mom, who was hunted in 1984. So what is this Pops, T-1000, 1974, kid Sarah Connor crap? If that happened, and obviously it has, this timeline with Kyle and John shouldn't even occur where they're sending him back to 1984. It wouldn't exist. If it does, how does John not know that they sent a Pops T-800 to protect a little kid Sarah? What the hell?
Likewise, what is Skynet ****ing doing? Sending a T-800 back to kill Sarah (pre John) and a T-1000 (kid John) as a last ditch effort isn't enough? What the hell? I thought Skynet didn't know exactly who Sarah was? Not her age, not her address, nothing. That's why the T-800 is systematically killing each one it comes across. So why then did Skynet send back a Terminator to kill her (or her parents, still not sure about that one) in the 70s? Why did it bother sending a Terminator back to 1984 if it tried that **** in the 70s? Why attack Sarah twice? If it ain't going to work once, it's not going to work again. Might as well send it after John just in case, right? What the ****?
You dared to go there, I didn't last night. Yeah it's such a tangle.
John Connor's message to Sarah that he gives to Kyle Reese ''you must survive or I will never exist''...those sound like the words of someone who doesn't really know what will happen - otherwise why can't he say ''ah sure it'll be grand, I'm still here, which means you're going to live mum, don't worry about it. Just do what Kyle says, it all works out''
It really seems like from John Connor's POV in 2029 it is by no means a foregone conclusion what will happen back in 1984. Were we really seeing the very beginning and inception of the loop, where no one knew what was going to happen? Not anyone in the future and not Kyle Reese in 1984. That being the case though, if there wasn't always a loop, some other guy must have fathered John Connor and when Kyle Reese impregnates Sarah he creates a new John Connor - effectively erasing the original one - a new John Connor who will be told that his father was a man named Kyle Reese sent from the year 2029. John could and probably does think his mother is crazy up until everything starts going down. He eventually meets Kyle Reese, a young man who bears something of a resemblance. Everything that transpires retroactively proves Sarah right. (and this is if we exclude the events of T2, in that scenario Sarah is proven right to John way back in 1995) So this new John knows that Kyle Reese is his dad and he knows that he succeeds in protecting Sarah from the T-800 in 1984 because that whole story has been told to him.
In turn, Skynet's original 'father' has also now in a way been replaced by that first T-800 and Skynet will not be aware of any other story of its own conception but the one where Miles Dyson reverse-engineers and develops the revolutionary micro-processor from a mysterious piece of technology 'found'....in 1984 ....at a factory called 'Cyberdyne Systems'. Skynet of the future can probably put 2 and 2 together and realise that sending back the T-800 is an imperative just to preserve what it knows as its own birth, even regardless of killing Sarah Connor. It knows that much. However does it know that the mission to kill Sarah Connor will fail? I suppose it might. The fact is the T-800's chip ends up in human hands and there might be some kind of record of the involvement of a woman named Sarah Connor who lived to tell the tale (and to be arrested for later trying to blow up that factory). Skynet, ''hooked into everything'' could find this information.
Now, if all parties in 2029 know the outcome of the 1984 event, perhaps it means they're in a position to try something different aswell, while at the same time preserving said 1984 event because they kinda have to.
Maybe Skynet then sends the T-1000 to 1995 to kill child John Connor - or maybe this always happened alongside the original 1984 attempt (which I've always accepted). That being the case maybe the new thing they try is what they show in Genisys. ****in' T-1000s all over the place, one to 1973 and one to join the '84 T-800. The T-1000 being assumed to be more capable of killing Sarah Connor while the T-800 must still serve its purpose to be the basis of Skynet. The problem with that is what if events don't play out the same? The slightest intrusion could prevent the T-800 from ending up where it's supposed to end up. You'd really want the T-1000 to be there but take absolutely no action until after the T-800 has been destroyed at that factory, then he could swoop in and kill Sarah. Both goals achieved. Of course, doesn't look like the film will have thought that through enough.
I hadn't seen that. It makes the good point that for all the slagging T2 gets for ''pussifying'' the T-800 it still has some pretty adult content the likes of which you will not see in Terminator Genisys.
Good points about the detailed files on human anatomy and yet not knowing about crying or smiling. Not so good the last point about the arm he leaves behind in the gears - they wouldn't be able to do **** with that, we can make a mechanical arm easily. The chip was the most important thing
Again, I'm liking the T-1000 the most out of anything I've seen from this movie and yet he probably has a tiny role and is probably offed in short time.
I'm curious if they try to explain why there is now also a T-1000 in 1984 with apparently the same mission as the original T-800.
Well the Arnie-model in T3 was supposedly more advanced and was actually a T-850. That might explain how he was apparently stronger and also more resistant to the crushing force of a big giant blast-door coming down on him. However the movie itself doesn't provide this information, it came from the novel I think. So based on the movie alone it just feels really inconsistent that the Terminator is so heavy that he can't be lifted by those firemen, that he caves in the roof of a car when he jumps on it and that he isn't crushed by that blast door. Then we get to the Salvation version which was just called a T-800 again, and named as such in the movie, and it survived just about everything thrown at it which previously destroyed other T-800s, no in-movie explanation given as to how this could be the case. So they've just got it totally arseways. I don't think they give a crap about being consistent anymore.
Uncanny Web-Slinger
Super Freak
Most studios/franchises live that way now. The franchise names or logos sell the movies whether they're good or not is inconsequential as people will see them anyway and many love them long before seeing them that it doesn't matter what the movie is actually like. That's why many blockbusters are 'safe' and predictable and why so many reboots and remakes come along as they can bank on the name rather than the risk of starting a new franchise.
Imo the anticipation and expansion has become more important than the movie. People get invested in hyping and discussing sequels before even seeing the current movie
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