Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

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As I recall, the Transformers movies have a similar disparity. So, you're in good company being a fan of this one, Khev.

Phew. :lol You're right, Age of Extinction only got an *18%* critic score and just 52% from the audience and it still grossed over a billion dollars. So there is indeed hope (for me at least) that we'll get a full Genisys trilogy.
 
Well you won't hear any justification from me as I definitely found him to be the weak link in the cast. He has a couple moments where he's decent but overall he suffers in comparison to Michael Biehn and there's just no way around it. As far as him looking and acting different well the move does actually

embrace the "parallel timelines" concept so you can look at Biehn as Reese #1 and Courtney as Reese #2 in an alternate universe that exists separately from the first two films. Reese actually sees flashes of parallel timelines when he goes through the field. The alternate timelines do factor into the plot but I think it was Alan Taylor's way of allowing the story to "overwrite" T1 and T2 while still keeping them "separate" out of respect for those first films.

Yeah, I agree.....I mean, he is supposed to be the same guy, and while he's in shape, not sure I'd say buff...not like Ahnuld from 1984 buff at least.

Is this one better than the Robocop remake? I would say, 'yes.'
 
Well you won't hear any justification from me as I definitely found him to be the weak link in the cast. He has a couple moments where he's decent but overall he suffers in comparison to Michael Biehn and there's just no way around it. As far as him looking and acting different well the move does actually

embrace the "parallel timelines" concept so you can look at Biehn as Reese #1 and Courtney as Reese #2 in an alternate universe that exists separately from the first two films. Reese actually sees flashes of parallel timelines when he goes through the field. The alternate timelines do factor into the plot but I think it was Alan Taylor's way of allowing the story to "overwrite" T1 and T2 while still keeping them "separate" out of respect for those first films.

I'm trying to figure out if and how alternate timelines could literally make Kyle Reese an entirely different person...

We know he hasn't been born yet as of 1995 in T2. Biehn Reese says he didn't see the war, he grew up in the ruins. Presumably he means he wasn't alive yet when the nukes were launched, since he was living in the war with the HKs and Terminators. T2 has the nukes starting in 1997 but this gets postponed when they destroy Cyberdyne and Dyson is killed. This means that Kyle Reese's parents would exist in entirely different circumstances, at least for awhile, than they did originally. And if they didn't even meet and conceive Kyle till after Judgment day then that potentially jeopardises the very existence of Biehn's Kyle Reese. And what if T2 set up new circumstances in which Biehn Reese's parents don't meet at all? A child could still be born of course but perhaps fathered by someone else entirely. Maybe the mum's surname is Reese and maybe she has always had first name 'Kyle' in mind - in that way a Kyle Reese still comes into existence but not Michael Biehn's one. Enter Jai Courtney.

That said, I don't for a second think this is the intention.
 
I'm trying to figure out if and how alternate timelines could literally make Kyle Reese an entirely different person...

Why are you trying to make sense of a bad casting decision? :lol That's the answer, they went with the wrong guy, and now they are trying to fix it with some time travel bull****.
 
I'm trying to figure out if and how alternate timelines could literally make Kyle Reese an entirely different person...

We know he hasn't been born yet as of 1995 in T2. Biehn Reese says he didn't see the war, he grew up in the ruins. Presumably he means he wasn't alive yet when the nukes were launched, since he was living in the war with the HKs and Terminators. T2 has the nukes starting in 1997 but this gets postponed when they destroy Cyberdyne and Dyson is killed. This means that Kyle Reese's parents would exist in entirely different circumstances, at least for awhile, than they did originally. And if they didn't even meet and conceive Kyle till after Judgment day then that potentially jeopardises the very existence of Biehn's Kyle Reese. And what if T2 set up new circumstances in which Biehn Reese's parents don't meet at all? A child could still be born of course but perhaps fathered by someone else entirely. Maybe the mum's surname is Reese and maybe she has always had first name 'Kyle' in mind - in that way a Kyle Reese still comes into existence but not Michael Biehn's one. Enter Jai Courtney.

That said, I don't for a second think this is the intention.

The movie does support the notion that T2 postpones Judgment Day. But not as John and Reese remember it in 2029. To them Judgment Day was still August 29th, 1997. But when Reese enters the time field he instantly receives overlapping childhood memories of a past self that did NOT grow up "after the war." So he has his original memories of his first life but then these conflicting images of a new childhood all bouncing around in his head that he tries to make sense of. I'm sure the intention of the film, as you say, is for there to just be "one Reese," but for those of us put off by the very different portrayal of Courtney the story does actually leave us the out that alternate timeline Reese had the same dad (thus keeping the last name) but a different mom, hence his different appearance and attitude.
 
When Sara and Kyle go through the
time portal device naked, I would convinced she would come out the other end already pregnant somehow.

Entering the time field together would have freaked me out. If I were them I'd be hella worried that we'd fuse together or something. I would have probably suggested to go one at a time so I wouldn't risk turning into a BrundleSarah.
 
From what I've been reading it sounds like Paramount was just too worried that people would see the trailers and wouldn't show up in droves to see old Arnold fighting Byung-hun Lee in another "T-800 vs. T-1000" showdown. They lost their nerve and decided to show their cards that a bigger star was the bad guy and that he was capable of doing new things. I can *kind of* understand their fears. Probably should have cast a bigger star to be the T-1000 so they could have reassurance that the audience would come and then could have surprised everyone that he wasn't the real villain (the way the trailers for the original Scream made everyone think that the much more famous Drew Barrymore was going to be the star.)
 
Worse marketing in cinema history.

Yep. Who knows how much better this film would have played if they allowed us to be surprised. The movie clearly stages John as having a good reason for being there and being their buddy and you're supposed to think that Pops either goes nuts or has "hidden programming" that was just waiting to assassinate John.

But still, at the beginning of the movie

They do show John being "attacked" as Reese goes through the time machine and his attacker does seem to be doing something strange to him. So maybe we all would have guessed the twist anyway. Who knows.
 
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