Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[Khev]

You can tell he's lying.

*straight face* "I think he does a wonderful job in this..." *monkey smile then abrupt straight face again*

I watched another interview with Arnold where he's going off about how great everyone is. And you know how he acts like every movie he does is basically Citizen Kane and he went on about how Jason Clarke was so perfect in his focus and that if they did 10 takes of a scene Clarke hit his mark exactly the same way on each and every take, Clarke really played the dual part of vulnerable 20-something plus trained warrior very well and that she really worked on exercising and gun training, and then when he got to Jai Courtney he said, "And he was so great as Kyle Reese because....he's been in these types of movies before, and he was just really in shape, and...has been in these types of movies before...." Not even Arnold could BS any actual specific praise for him.

 

[DiFabio]

I can't help it, DiFabio traumatized me with his seal speech.

Hey, don't blame me Jye! You're entitled to your opinion.


If you truly enjoyed Terminator Genisys, then say so. Don't let some random dude's opinion dictate your own. There is no judging here.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I guess I really need to rewatch this movie.

Go to the 3 min mark when he says that Jai did a wonderful job, look at his expression lol.

You can tell he's lying.

Things were so much simpler in 1984...how did jye end up on the wrong side of this war...?

I can't help it, DiFabio traumatized me with his seal speech.

Sad indeed

 

[jye4ever]

*straight face* "I think he does a wonderful job in this..." *monkey smile then abrupt straight face again*

I watched another interview with Arnold where he's going off about how great everyone is. And you know how he acts like every movie he does is basically Citizen Kane and he went on about how Jason Clarke was so perfect in his focus and that if they did 10 takes of a scene Clarke hit his mark exactly the same way on each and every take, Clarke really played the dual part of vulnerable 20-something plus trained warrior very well and that she really worked on exercising and gun training, and then when he got to Jai Courtney he said, "And he was so great as Kyle Reese because....he's been in these types of movies before, and he was just really in shape, and...has been in these types of movies before...." Not even Arnold could BS any actual specific praise for him.

Hey, don't blame me Jye! You're entitled to your opinion.


If you truly enjoyed Terminator Genisys, then say so. Don't let some random dude's opinion dictate your own. There is no judging here.

No way, your fault.

Forget me, did anyone see that JW won the weekend again!

 

[DiFabio]

I promise you that if you truly loved Genisys I won't view you as a seal Jye, I swear. All I said was that the audience I was with resembled seals.

 

[jye4ever]

Khev has a seal photo waiting in the wings.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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[h=3]Listen and understand! JW is out there, It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until it is king of the box office!
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Wow...third place! DOA Good, people are waking up, unfortunately to watch the wrong film again

 

[jye4ever]

Nail meet head (what an article):


Back in 1991, Terminator 2: Judgment Day opened over the July 4th weekend with a $31.7 million Fri-Sun frame and a long $52m Wed-Sun holiday weekend. That was the biggest five-day total of all time and the second Fri-Sun debut weekend ever behind the $42m debut of Batman two summers prior. The film ended up with $204.8m domestic and $519.8m worldwide. That was the biggest grosser of the year here and abroad, and its whopping overseas total made it the third biggest worldwide grosser ever behind Star Wars and E.T. and the time. It can be argued that Arnold Schwarzenegger’s status not just as a movie star but as the biggest star in the world for period was predicated entirely on the success of this one big-budget action sequel.



So when his fortunes had fallen and he was planning on running for the Governor of California, it made sense for him to snag a $30m paycheck and politically friendly $170m LA-based film shoot and roll out one last time. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines opened over the July 4th holiday in 2003, debuting with a $73m Wed-Sun gross and scoring an eventual $150m domestic and $433.3m worldwide total on a $170m budget. The domestic number was fine, but its worldwide take still ranks among the top twenty R-rated releases ever. So however misguided we might have thought it was in today’s movie going environment to spend $155m on a new Terminator reboot/sequel, there is precedent for a Terminator movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger in the lead role doing gangbusters business over the July 4th holiday weekend. But alas, history didn’t go according to plan this weekend.


Terminator Genisys opened on Wednesday in the face of withering reviews, complaints about its marketing, and two massive crowd pleasing blockbusters still in their prime. Sadly the comparison I offered a couple weeks ago, comparing Terminator Genisys to Battleship was accurate. Had Jurassic World and Inside Out performed like “normal” blockbusters, this may have been a slightly different story. But Inside Out is going to be the biggest Pixar toon this side of Finding Nemo and Jurassic World is playing like The Avengers on steroids. As such, Terminator Genisys looked like warmed-over leftovers even before it debuted. Thus we have a $44.156 million holiday weekend, coupled with a $28.7m Fri-Sun frame.



Terminator Genisys made just a little more in five days than Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines ($44m) and Terminator Salvation ($42m) made in its Fri-Sun frame. It ended its first five days well below the $66m Thurs-Sun Memorial Day launch of Terminator: Salvation back in 2009. I know I tend to try to find the positive in almost any big weekend debut, but this is frankly a (domestic) disaster for the very expensive Paramount/Viacom VIAB -0.63% Inc. sequel/reboot/remake. SkyDance Productions and friends may want to hold off on dating any future installments until they see if overseas box office can save them. This this is a $155m production we’re talking about here, and it’s pretty much a done deal in America. July 4th releases are often rather front loaded, so the chances for legs are pretty slim even if you argue that there are plenty of people who liked the film more than I.


Since 2001, the big July 4th openers (Scary Movie 2, Men In Black 2, Terminator 3, Spider-Man 2, War of the Worlds, Superman Returns, Transformers, Hancock, and Transformers 3) have generally made between 1.9x and 2.1x their holiday totals. Cats and Dogs, The Devil Wears Prada, Despicable Me 2, Tammy, and Ice Age 3 did better while The Twilight Saga: Eclipse, The Last Airbender, The Amazing Spider-Man, and The Lone Ranger ended up just over/under 1.8x. All of this means that the sequel may-well have made around 1/2 of its money by Sunday. Give or take the breaks, Terminator Genisys should end its US run with around $80m-$100m, although I expect Paramount to try to get it over $100m if at all possible.


The film is of course the fifth installment in the ongoing Terminator franchise, and the hook this time is that A) Arnold Schwarzenegger is back in the role that made him an icon and B) the film presents a skewed version of the first two films. There is really no silver lining to this cloud save for the hope that Hollywood will realize that not every old franchise needs to be resurrected. Audiences didn’t really need to see a new Terminator film, especially one that basically advertised a guided tour through the first two Terminator movies. Older fans may have been interested if they weren’t turned off by the PG-13 rating, but they were not interested enough to spring for a babysitter.


Paramount/ViacomInc’s marketing has been the focus of much consternation, beginning with guffaw-inducing Entertainment Weekly photo shoots, cresting with a second theatrical trailer that gave away the film’s big plot twist, and then wrapping up with an anger-inducing announcement about a cell phone game that was to be played inside IMAX theaters showing the film this weekend. To be fair, and I may go into this later next week, but Paramount had to market the film they were given, and SkyDance Productions didn’t exactly give them a cinematic masterpiece with which to work with. The James Cameron seal-of-approval was a smart last-minute touch, for what that’s worth. And Paramount’s history with launching new franchises has been pretty stellar over the last decade.


The one bit of good news for the Jai Courtney/Emilia Clarke action sequel is that it pulled a 4.9x weekend multiplier, on par with Terminator Salvation and ahead of the 4.5x multipliers for the July 4th debuts of T2 and T3. Also of note, the film earned $74m overseas in what amounts to 50% of its overseas markets, giving it an $85.5m overseas total and a $129.6m worldwide cume. That’s solid, but there has never been an American film that topped $400m worldwide without also topping $100m in America. If this one becomes the first, and that’s a big “if,” then it will be something of a game changer.


Nonetheless, unless overseas picks up the slack (and even the standard 1/3 domestic and 2/3 overseas won’t save it if it ends up closer to $250m than $300m worldwide), this may kill the notion that audiences want to see Arnold Schwarzenegger in his iconic roles. That’s bad news for Legend of Conan fans. It may be for the best, as frankly Schwarzenegger (who I should note is quite good in the film) is better off doing more films like Maggie and less “hopelessly chasing past glories” excursions such as this.

 

[Wor-Gar]

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dinos eat Terminators for breakfast.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

dinos eat Terminators for breakfast.

 

[jye4ever]

Jurassic World indeed

 

[Khev]

There is nothing left to say anymore with the Judgement Day / Skynet story.

Had this movie been a success, what is left there to say or show?

Must stop Judgement Day again, must stop Skynet again....Zzzzz....Zzzzz.

Look, another nuclear explosion again....Zzzzz....Zzzzz.

Look, post apocalyptic California again....Zzzzz....Zzzzz.

Look, silver machines attacking beat up homeless people again....Zzzzz....Zzzzz.

Look, cops and doctors interacting with the heros of the story again....Zzzzz....Zzzzz.

Look, Terminators losing their fake skin again....Zzzzz....Zzzzz.

Look, Terminators possibly having emotional connection to humans again....Zzzzz....Zzzzz.

Look, Sarah, Kyle and John again....Zzzzz....Zzzzz.

Snore.

We get it already, A.I. is bad.

Embrace T1/T2, i'm good with how those 2 ended.

It's for the best this movie bombed.

Nostalgia and my love for 80s Arnold and T1/T2 are responsible for any positive feelings I had towards this movie, not the movie itself.

You know, you may have a point here... How many times do we need to see a robot hunting the same group of people? Or naked people appearing in bright globes of light? Nukes being launched. Nukes hitting cities. Robots getting on motorcycles and chasing people through traffic, always for the same purpose? As much as I want some questions about Genisys answered I wonder if I really need to see another movie answering those questions.

Because so much of Genisys really is just same old/same old BUT...it had that future war and Pops and Sarah thing, both of which were new and fun to see on screen. This could easily be another Jurassic World for me. SO great to see JW because FINALLY we got to see dinos loose in a fully functioning park. And then we got to see some new stuff with the trained Raptors. But now? More trained dinosaurs in a military setting? Or maybe for some stupid reason they re-open the park and dinosaurs get loose AGAIN? I'm sure I'll see whatever they do next but I can't imagine that the magic of JW will be able to continue.

Same with Genisys. FINALLY I got to see John, Reese, and the Resistance shutting down Skynet's defense grid and storming the time chamber. I even really liked the race to get there before Arnold walked through, just on the off chance that John could end this thing without having to sacrifice his dad (as far as he knew anyway.) I knew what was all destined to happen but I thought the tension was actually very well done.

But now? We've seen bad guy Arnold with future war imminent (T1.) We've seen good guy Arnold with future war prevented (T2.) Now we've seen Skynet launching nukes and starting Judgment Day and the Resistance' last battle in the future leading right up to the time traveling. I don't know how much more they should even try and tell at this point.

Since it looks like this will be the last Terminator film ever that really might be for the best. Maybe just release a couple sequel comics or something so I can find out where they were going with everything just for my own peace of mind and call it a day.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Why are you weirdos so worried about box office numbers? Unless you work in Hollywood you shouldn't care.

I don't think you have enough posts to post in this thread. Come back once you hit 500.

 

[a-dev]

I promise you that if you truly loved Genisys I won't view you as a seal Jye, I swear. All I said was that the audience I was with resembled seals.

 

[DiFabio]

Combine the Terminator and Jurassic Movie franchises.

Military Dinos (specifically raptors) are bred to fight against Skynet's machines.

Dinosaurs travel through time to stop cyborgs.

Skynet sends Terminators back 65 million years ago to make dinosaurs extinct.

Movie ends with Skynet succeeding and Dinos being eradicated, little does Skynet know that little Mosquitos with Dino DNA are trapped and perfectly preserved for the future. Infinite loop.

We find out Dr. Wu was an infiltrator the whole time in a mid credits scene.





This basically writes itself. Studios, feel free to send me a paycheck for my troubles. Thanks, I appreciate it. Have fun with your 2 billion dollar movie and brand spanking new franchise.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Looks like it will be:

1. Inside/Out (boring movie for kids)
2. JW
3. TG
4. Magic Mike

Almost. Dinos win.

Combine the Terminator and Jurassic Movie franchises.

Military Dinos (specifically raptors) are bred to fight against Skynet's machines.

Dinosaurs travel through time to stop cyborgs.

Skynet sends Terminators back 65 million years ago to make dinosaurs extinct.

I like it. Work in that Sleestack are real and you got a winner.

 

[jye4ever]

True Khev,

Stopping Judgement Day is like the Middle East conflicts, it will go on forever.

I've had my fill of both thank you very much.

Yes, seeing T-800 legs dangling being brought to the time travel machine was cool, and I would be lying if I said that I didn't laugh when Arnold smiled during his mug shot scene.

I can't help it, I love Arnold.

Gosh, I really think this means that King Conan is dead!

Is that a good thing, maybe.

They really should've ended the movie revealing who sent Arnold back, but i'm sure that would've been in the trailers as well had they filmed it.

 

[jye4ever]

a-dev knows.

Combine the Terminator and Jurassic Movie franchises.

Military Dinos (specifically raptors) are bred to fight against Skynet's machines.

Dinosaurs travel through time to stop cyborgs.

Skynet sends Terminators back 65 million years ago to make dinosaurs extinct.

Movie ends with Skynet succeeding and Dinos being eradicated, little does Skynet know that little Mosquitos with Dino DNA are trapped and perfectly preserved for the future. Infinite loop.

We find out Dr. Wu was an infiltrator the whole time in a mid credits scene.





This basically writes itself. Studios, feel free to send me a paycheck for my troubles. Thanks, I appreciate it. Have fun with your 2 billion dollar movie and brand spanking new franchise.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Arnold will back back in his most memorable role: Red Heat

I know you've been waiting. Well.... he's back.

 

[Khev]

I like it. Work in that Sleestack are real and you got a winner.