Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

T1 and T2 proves that Arnold was just James Camero's puppet, and that's why he was so good in those films.

 

[RIDDICK]

Any actor is director's puppet, unless the director him self is just producer's puppet or bad at his job.

Only the greatest of actors allow themselves to play any role to the full extent of their abilities.

 

[jye4ever]

Ever since T3 his "robotic" personality when he portays the character bugs me. It feels forced and really wooden. The "theoretically speaking" **** bugged the hell out of me. He doesn't even do the "scanning" right like in the first two.

I know in T2, he talked like a robot. "Mimetic polyalloy", "tactically dangerous", "affirmative", etc. but it always felt natural, you know what I mean? The analytical/computer talk wasn't a point of humor, even when John would point it out. With T3 and Genisys it feels like we're supposed to be laughing at him. The difference between Arnold's performances in the Cameron films vs. the other two are light and day in my opinion. In the first two, those T-800s actually feel like cool characters to me. "Nothing clean, right" or "wrong" don't feel awkward. Even when Uncle Bob is saying "chill out . . . **** was", it doesn't seem cringe worthy.

I'm not saying that his performances in the first two are some avan grade, Shakespearean caliber acting, but it does feel natural. That smile Uncle Bob cracks at when he's holding be minigun in the weapons cache or the sly "trust me" with the twinkle in his eye at Cyberdyne is earned because of what the audience has invested with the characters. The thumbs up at the end too. "Pops" had none of that. It really feels like the filmmakers saw that T2 deleted scene and mimicked it like "see, see, remember that from T2" without really having understood it.

I mean come on, I don't want to be cynical here, but Uncle Bob learns these human gestures in what, the span of 24 to 48 hours and goes from ultimate stoic, steely eyed machine you don't want to **** with,


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to a subtle, **** eating grin that tells John and the audience "hey, it's me", "I got this", "don't worry".


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There's an actual pay off. With Pops, the stupid robo-grin THREE friggin times is at the expense of the character. So for a decade, Pops never learned to perfect a smile? Huh? He still talks like a ****ing idiot with terms like "mating", and "obsolete"? I also hated the SFX, every time he moved or made a facial expression it made that cutesy "robot" sound. You know what I'm talking about. Cameron never did that with his Terminator films. There was humor but it was subtle, it was earned, it felt real. In Genisys Arnold is just strutting around like a literal big lug, looking the same in every scene and saying the same lines. It makes me wonder if he even remembers or understood the original intentions with the first two films or even cares. In those two, yeah, it might not have been nuanced or method acting, but he seemed sincere.

Man, that's some good **** right there D.

When DiFabio wants to own, he owns.

You're not even half of a % wrong.

Yup, watching T3/TG, that's big lug Arnold up there, not an Endo covered in advanced synthetic human tissue.

 

[Khev]

Harrison Ford's acting in Jedi sucked compared to ANH and ESB. His dialogue too. He pretty much felt like he was a totally different character than the previous two films. And yet Jedi is still a lot of fun.

Arnold has indeed lost a step playing the robotic side of his character. But the "feeling" side or whatever you want to call it, whether or not you like the fact that they "went there," he actually did quite well with.

 

[Wor-Gar]

...was just James Camero's puppet...

I want to see a James Camaro movie. Awesome name. I should take it.

 

[jye4ever]

Wait until he gets famous:

James Camaro Z28

 

[jye4ever]

Harrison Ford's acting in Jedi sucked compared to ANH and ESB. His dialogue too. He pretty much felt like he was a totally different character than the previous two films. And yet Jedi is still a lot of fun.

Arnold has indeed lost a step playing the robotic side of his character. But the "feeling" side or whatever you want to call it, whether or not you like the fact that they "went there," he actually did quite well with.

I'm still trying to warm up to a T-800 wearing a hoodie.

 

[Khev]

I'm still trying to warm up to a T-800 wearing a hoodie.

Yeah if he was going for inconspicuous near miss.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Any actor is director's puppet, unless the director him self is just producer's puppet or bad at his job.

Only the greatest of actors allow themselves to play any role to the full extent of their abilities.

Yeah, but the point is that CameroN lol) is the one who understood the character, not Arnold...or maybe he did back then, but by the time he made T3 he was just a caricature.

 

[jye4ever]

Only thing Arnold understood back then was steroids and banging chicks.

 

[Khev]

What was he going for with the hoodie anyway? To not draw attention to himself? Obviously not since the Remington shotgun was not concealed in any way. Was it so that the T-800 wouldn't be aware of him? No, even if he didn't announce his presence the T-800 just scanned him and instantly knew who he was, which I'm sure Pops would have been able to anticipate, being the same model and all.

 

[RIDDICK]

Yeah, but the point is that Cameron is the one who understood the character, not Arnold.

That's a good point indeed.

Only thing Arnold understood back then was coming.

Fixed.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Only thing Arnold understood back then was steroids and banging chicks.

And even that he stopped doing right

I mean, you're Arnold, bang a 20 year old model or something.

 

[jye4ever]

/\ yup /\

 

[Khev]

"You will not be needing clothes, I've been waiting for you..."

 

[Wor-Gar]

Aye, Senor Arnold!

 

[jye4ever]

One of my spanish language employees would always call me Mr. Joe.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Aye! Senor Joe!

 

[jye4ever]

That statement needs a pirate eye patch.

 

[Wor-Gar]

No, it's like Arnold says to her: Senorita, por favor, pick up that quarter on the floor, will you? A second later: Aye!

If the maid was Swedish, she would say: Oooof!

Language is Fundamental.