Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[Snake Plissken]

Here's a breakdown of what's inside Robocop.

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- Shot multiple times with armour-piercing cannon and hundreds of minigun rounds
- Dropped off a skyscraper
- Plasma cutter to the face
- Gas line explosion
- Slammed into wall repeatedly by giant robot
-Absolutely fine

Vs:



- Leg broken from being hit by a truck cab
- Day absolutely ruined by a single pipebomb
- What's left of it crushed in a press

I love the T800, but he's out of his league here.

Well, you just sealed my opinion on it.

You know, I completely forgot about RC2 honestly. He did take one hellva beating in that, and just kept ticking. Do you see a homemade pipebomb completely destroying Murphy's body? I seriously doubt it. When you think about it, the T-800 never was supposed to be the spear head of Skynet's war. It was just a means of infiltrating encampments with a singular cyborg. It was more about stealth and efficiency than anything. But up against regular humans, it's definitely formidable. The Murphy's body is literally a tank that probably weighs close a ton, at least.

That and the muppet ED-209 scene were the best parts of that remake

Oh god, him getting blown by his wife "Edina" and his little kids

 

[Gully Foyle]

It's official. The sequels have been terminated..

Annnd this surprises . . . no one!

The Murphy's body is literally a tank that probably weighs close a ton, at least.

This makes no sense, even for sci-fi makebelieve.

If Murphy was that heavy, how would he sit in a car, walk up stairs, use elevators, ladders, porches, fire escapes, etc?
The whole point of his design is to allow him to perform human tasks within a human environment.
If he were 2,000 lbs., he couldn't interact with the very humans he's charged with protecting.

Same with the T-800. If its armored combat chassis were super heavy, then it would be real easy to detect.
Just get it to walk on a scale.

Think carbon-fiber metamaterials. Polymer coatings. Nanoscale engineering.

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[Snake Plissken]

I didn't know that was going to be taken so literally.

 

[Khev]

Murphy's body is literally a tank that probably weighs close a ton, at least.

I didn't know that was going to be taken so literally.

Maybe you should stop using the word literally so figuratively.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Maybe you should stop using the word literally so figuratively.

 

[Khev]

Don't you mean "thank you for your input, because it literally weighs a ton?"

 

[Snake Plissken]

I admit, it's poor wording.

 

[RIDDICK]

 

[Khev]

I admit, it's poor wording.

And for that you must pay.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Of course I realize the better response after the fact.

 

[a-dev]

I wonder will they now just tell us where they were going with it. How were they going to stretch this out for another 2 films? Who sent Pops - the fact that they bothered to make a secret out of that (where the other films didn't) suggests that it might have been someone unexpected.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Much like TS, I wouldn't be surprised if were never told where they wanted to take this new trilogy like the last failed attempt. Don't the film rights go back to Cameron soon? With Avatar getting delayed, It'd be nice to see him set this series straight after three bombs in a row. But...

“From my perspective, it’s run its course and I don’t know what else to say that hasn’t been said. Plus, frankly… the soup’s kind of been pissed in a little bit by other filmmakers, so I don’t have any personal desire to go back to it. So I certainly wouldn’t want to be a dog in the manger and disallow my friends from making a little money off it. Why would I do that?”

 

[Plastic Bateman]

Much like TS, I wouldn't be surprised if were never told where they wanted to take this new trilogy like the last failed attempt. Don't the film rights go back to Cameron soon? With Avatar getting delayed, It'd be nice to see him set this series straight after three bombs in a row. But...

“From my perspective, it’s run its course and I don’t know what else to say that hasn’t been said. Plus, frankly… the soup’s kind of been pissed in a little bit by other filmmakers, so I don’t have any personal desire to go back to it. So I certainly wouldn’t want to be a dog in the manger and disallow my friends from making a little money off it. Why would I do that?”

If he gets the rights back he should hands-on produce a complete reboot of the franchise and get some hot young filmmakers on board to make the films. Write a storyline and then get William Wisher to flesh the script out, get Legacy and the old Stan Winston crew developing everything as practical effects, then find some young directors he's friendly with to take up the reigns.

Maybe make it an ongoing anthology where new talent is given the chance to tell interesting stories in the Terminator universe on a relatively low, risk-free budget (about $30 million a movie). Certainly couldn't be any worse than the last three...

 

[shells075]

Maybe you should stop using the word literally so figuratively.

 

[Snake Plissken]

If he gets the rights back he should hands-on produce a complete reboot of the franchise and get some hot young filmmakers on board to make the films. Write a storyline and then get William Wisher to flesh the script out, get Legacy and the old Stan Winston crew developing everything as practical effects, then find some young directors he's friendly with to take up the reigns.

Maybe make it an ongoing anthology where new talent is given the chance to tell interesting stories in the Terminator universe on a relatively low, risk-free budget (about $30 million a movie). Certainly couldn't be any worse than the last three...

Look at what they did with a pretty low budget in 84'. I'd say 90% of those effects still hold up pretty well. Bloated budgets have well been shown to not make the movie, although it can depend upon who's directing and who's doing the effects.

If Cameron did say come back, he ought to just stick with a story were fairly familiar with. I don't know if it should necessarily be more than one film, but just do a gritty story about the future war and don't change any major plot points that are already cornerstones of the universe. Just end the singular film, or trilogy, with both Reese and Uncle Bob going back in time. THE END.

 

[a-dev]

Much like TS, I wouldn't be surprised if were never told where they wanted to take this new trilogy like the last failed attempt. Don't the film rights go back to Cameron soon? With Avatar getting delayed, It'd be nice to see him set this series straight after three bombs in a row. But...

“From my perspective, it’s run its course and I don’t know what else to say that hasn’t been said. Plus, frankly… the soup’s kind of been pissed in a little bit by other filmmakers, so I don’t have any personal desire to go back to it. So I certainly wouldn’t want to be a dog in the manger and disallow my friends from making a little money off it. Why would I do that?”

Well Cameron is absolutely right here. It did run its course, there was nothing beyond T2 that added anything or felt in any way necessary. Some even include T2 in the unnecessary category.

I think a prequel/extended flashforward to the future war of 2029 would have been worthwhile in Cameron's hands - one film, not a drawn-out trilogy as was planned with Salvation. That, for me and many others, would have made a proper third and final film.


edit - I see you just posted the same thing. There's just nothing else to do in this universe. I guess it actually had fairly limited potential - it was worth it for the first 2 films, could have been 3 under Cameron but he evidently didn't see the merit. It's done.

 

[MaulFan]

Terminator doesn't have franchise in its DNA. The characters are very hard defined, their fates are pretty much already known. Series that stem from a single move not intended to create a franchise do best when there's room for character growth, particularly of the main character(s). The T-800 can't grow much, not enough to sustain an ongoing series.

A good example is Rocky. Never intended to be more than one movie, but there was plenty to keep telling, marriage, children, death and loss, aging, timeless themes that speak to people.

Terminator 1 and 2 are great, classic films that will endure time, but the subject matter and characters don't have strong franchise roots, just like most Horror series, how many ways can you keep bringing Freddy or Michael or Jason back and have it make sense.

 

[DiFabio]

I think a Terminator film/story without the Connors or Arnold can work based on infiltrators (machines disguised as humans) and an apocalyptic world on their own. I think you could definitely tell a good story without going to the present and just focusing on that glimpse of the future we've seen in these movies. I don't know how successful it would be, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing what it would be like to live as a ragtag soldier in those trenches against that actual freightening imagery of Skynet's creations. If you look at James Cameron's preproduction art for T1 and T2, there certainly seems to be a fascinating world in there.

 

[Khev]

I think the only way to really make new Terminator films great again would be to clear the palette and just do a full reboot. But don't reboot and just remake T1, do something crazy that keeps us on our toes, which is what it sounds like Cameron would do if he ever made another one. We need a full Batman Begins/Casino Royale.

I just feel like we've seen too many "versions" of the old canon to really right that particular ship anymore. Even if Cameron did a full future war I think it would still be tainted by our familiarity with the Genisys future war, especially since they really did do a decent job of filming it in the same style as the opening of T2.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Well Cameron is absolutely right here. It did run its course, there was nothing beyond T2 that added anything or felt in any way necessary. Some even include T2 in the unnecessary category.

I think a prequel/extended flashforward to the future war of 2029 would have been worthwhile in Cameron's hands - one film, not a drawn-out trilogy as was planned with Salvation. That, for me and many others, would have made a proper third and final film.


edit - I see you just posted the same thing. There's just nothing else to do in this universe. I guess it actually had fairly limited potential - it was worth it for the first 2 films, could have been 3 under Cameron but he evidently didn't see the merit. It's done.

Cameron left the series very complete after T2. Did T2 need further films to elaborate on what happened? No, it didn't. The ending is pretty definitive, and nothing left to interpretation. He filmed the alternate ending which I'm sure you're well aware, of Sarah, John and his daughter in a Judgment Day free future. That's the best evidence that T2's choices of altering fate worked.

It would be nice seeing the world Reese told Sarah about, and the events leading up the Infiltrators coming about in the war. The 600 series, leading up to the 800s, and of course the time displacement equipment. IMO, a prequel sequel is the only route the series could of went if for whatever reason Cameron decided on making it.

But, Cameron is the "artist" now, so I doubt very highly he'd want to retread on old ground. Besides, this obvious paid endorsement shows he doesn't care to want to course correct anything, and would rather help director buddies make money.



The bottom line is, we don't need anymore sequels. And we haven't needed them after 1991. Would it be nice to see one actually made for fans, by Cameron? Sure, but I'm content enough with the first two to not lose sleep over the mess the series became.