Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
He also thinks T2 3D is valid. Therefore Cameron invalid.
He also thinks T2 3D is valid. Therefore Cameron invalid.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Ahhhh man, I'm done with that argument.
Ahhhh man, I'm done with that argument.
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Oh come on, I think we all come from a place of liking both movies. I don't know why we always have get in these back and forths about them.
Oh come on, I think we all come from a place of liking both movies. I don't know why we always have get in these back and forths about them.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
If it's good, great. If it sucks, oh well. The end.
If it's good, great. If it sucks, oh well. The end.
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Not sure when I can make it to florida again. I'm glad I got to ride T2:3D in Cali before it shut down!
Not sure when I can make it to florida again. I'm glad I got to ride T2:3D in Cali before it shut down!
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
But would T1 have been a self contained story had the deleted ending scene remained?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9K00_dJPPU
..or is this concrete proof Cameron's story was complete and over so no need for any hint to a sequel?
But would T1 have been a self contained story had the deleted ending scene remained?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9K00_dJPPU
..or is this concrete proof Cameron's story was complete and over so no need for any hint to a sequel?
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Either way the deleted scene still falls into the self-contained circle of T1. It doesn't demand a sequel with a second set of warriors or anything.
Either way the deleted scene still falls into the self-contained circle of T1. It doesn't demand a sequel with a second set of warriors or anything.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
But the text happened before the Terminator and Kyle arrives, so it could mean that night, or the following night, or the night after that, or the night Sarah crushes the Terminator . . . or the night Sarah, John, the Terminator and Dyson blow up Cyberdyne.
T2 still valid bro.
Thankfully, there's some nice inconsistencies that sever T1/T2's ties to the other 2. Most notably, John Connor being born in 1985 and 10 years between T1 and T2 (making John 10 years old) vs. T3 and Salvation changing/retconning John's age to 13.
The jump from T1 to T2 has no such inconsistencies. Reese talks about one possible future, one possible future (T2) happens. Sarah wants to "86" Skynet by blowing up computer factories . . . T2 Sarah did just that. Sarah at the end of T1 drives off into the mountains . . . T2 shows us where she hid/trained in those mountains. Sarah made recordings and trained John, T2 shows John still has that stuff. The severed arm and chip from the first crushed Terminator . . . reappears, just as it should in T2. The police shootout from 1984? Makes a crucial and logical reappearance in T2.
No inconsistencies, no revisions (unless you count Reese's naive view that it's just "him and me"), nada. T2 is the perfect sequel.
Cameron never said that. T2 3D was never apart of the "story", Cameron states this in the making of T2 3D and in the new vault book. It was simply Cameron testing the waters for 3D film and wanting to make a compelling experience (in this case, an interactive amusement park film). The work with T2:3D was supposedly an experiment for a future Cameron Terminator film (which I'm going to guess would have been a Future War flick or maybe even Avatar). Unfortunately, that never came into fruition thanks to film rights.
T2 3D was for fun. You know how the Terminator series ends? With T2: Judgement Day. That was what Cameron intended.
But the text happened before the Terminator and Kyle arrives, so it could mean that night, or the following night, or the night after that, or the night Sarah crushes the Terminator . . . or the night Sarah, John, the Terminator and Dyson blow up Cyberdyne.
T2 still valid bro.
Thankfully, there's some nice inconsistencies that sever T1/T2's ties to the other 2. Most notably, John Connor being born in 1985 and 10 years between T1 and T2 (making John 10 years old) vs. T3 and Salvation changing/retconning John's age to 13.
The jump from T1 to T2 has no such inconsistencies. Reese talks about one possible future, one possible future (T2) happens. Sarah wants to "86" Skynet by blowing up computer factories . . . T2 Sarah did just that. Sarah at the end of T1 drives off into the mountains . . . T2 shows us where she hid/trained in those mountains. Sarah made recordings and trained John, T2 shows John still has that stuff. The severed arm and chip from the first crushed Terminator . . . reappears, just as it should in T2. The police shootout from 1984? Makes a crucial and logical reappearance in T2.
No inconsistencies, no revisions (unless you count Reese's naive view that it's just "him and me"), nada. T2 is the perfect sequel.
Cameron never said that. T2 3D was never apart of the "story", Cameron states this in the making of T2 3D and in the new vault book. It was simply Cameron testing the waters for 3D film and wanting to make a compelling experience (in this case, an interactive amusement park film). The work with T2:3D was supposedly an experiment for a future Cameron Terminator film (which I'm going to guess would have been a Future War flick or maybe even Avatar). Unfortunately, that never came into fruition thanks to film rights.
T2 3D was for fun. You know how the Terminator series ends? With T2: Judgement Day. That was what Cameron intended.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Why remove it, the scene actually makes sense and completes the circle of events bringing us to back to the beginning of the film?
Why remove it, the scene actually makes sense and completes the circle of events bringing us to back to the beginning of the film?
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
You're still on this? The opening text of the movie stated that the final battle took place in the "present" of a now distant 1984. No amount of Obi-Wan Kenobi "a certain point of view" ramblings will change that. The battle took place "tonight" and obviously lasted two or three days.
You don't get to quote Reese's "one possible future" line as fact (as if he were somehow an expert on time paradoxes/displacement/alternate timelines or universes) and then discard his "no one else goes through" as being naive. He would have certainly been more privy as to who was stepping into the same machine as him right before they destroyed it then he would about the future ramifications of his journey to the past.
T1 made it quite clear that you needed to covered in living tissue to travel through time (the T1000 was not), and that T800's didn't all look like Arnold (or even have groups of multiple Arnolds, Franco Columbos or whatever.) They were so sneaky you needed dogs to sniff them out (as spelled out by Reese), not just a recognition of which assembly line their body mold was from.
You're still on this? The opening text of the movie stated that the final battle took place in the "present" of a now distant 1984. No amount of Obi-Wan Kenobi "a certain point of view" ramblings will change that. The battle took place "tonight" and obviously lasted two or three days.
You don't get to quote Reese's "one possible future" line as fact (as if he were somehow an expert on time paradoxes/displacement/alternate timelines or universes) and then discard his "no one else goes through" as being naive. He would have certainly been more privy as to who was stepping into the same machine as him right before they destroyed it then he would about the future ramifications of his journey to the past.
T1 made it quite clear that you needed to covered in living tissue to travel through time (the T1000 was not), and that T800's didn't all look like Arnold (or even have groups of multiple Arnolds, Franco Columbos or whatever.) They were so sneaky you needed dogs to sniff them out (as spelled out by Reese), not just a recognition of which assembly line their body mold was from.
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
And this is why the back and forth keeps happening. T1 elitist folk can't help themselves any more than guys like me and Difabio can. And the argument goes nowhere every time. Its as pointless as Skynet continuing to send Terminators back to the past when clearly all it does is set up an alternate timeline and can't have a satisfying outcome.
People's ideas about these films are set in stone by now and will not be changed by any points the other side can make.
And this is why the back and forth keeps happening. T1 elitist folk can't help themselves any more than guys like me and Difabio can. And the argument goes nowhere every time. Its as pointless as Skynet continuing to send Terminators back to the past when clearly all it does is set up an alternate timeline and can't have a satisfying outcome.
People's ideas about these films are set in stone by now and will not be changed by any points the other side can make.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
You don't get to say that "tonight" means it took place when Sarah flattens the T-800 then say the battle "lasted two or three days".
Point is, it means nothing. Especially when the title says "our" present. That opening text is just a fancy way of getting the audience into the story, the equivalence of Sarah Connor's opening monologue in T2.
Yes I do. He's uncertain when he states the "one possible future", he doesn't know "tech stuff", remember? The line of it just being him and the Terminator, is naive. Why? Because moments after Reese is sent through, Connor sent the T-800 in pursuit of the T-1000. Reese doesn't know it, how could he? That wasn't his mission.
If John Connor can keep the fact that Reese is his father secret for Reese's entire future existence, then I don't see why he wouldn't be able to keep the T-800 and T-1000 from him. The events in T2 mean nothing to Kyle Reese, especially when Connor knows that Reese will be dead long before T2.
CSM-101 is the Arnold skin. CSM-099 and CSM-102 look like someone else.
Skynet only sent ONE Arnold infiltration Terminator, so the infiltration units make sense. Connor was the one that sent the second one in the image of the machine that hunted his mother. I see no problem here.
Now if T2 was a "good T-800 Arnold" vs. "bad T-800 Arnold" film or a newer Endo model looked exactly like Arnold (like T3's stupid "T-850"), then I'd agree with you. That didn't happen though. Skynet utilized three different faces, Arnold, Columbo and Robert Patrick. That's good enough for me.
Would I have wanted to see the T2 deleted scene of the Skynet factory that houses the cold storage infiltrator facility? The one in the script and production stages that would have shown racks upon racks of different "human CSM" T-800s? Sure. I would have LOVED to have seen that. But it was cut for obvious technical and financial reasons.
Cameron, Wisher and Ling's explanation are good enough for me. It's just a pity we never got to see a film and story that depicted the Future War that would bridge T1 and T2 and flesh out the mythology more.
You don't get to say that "tonight" means it took place when Sarah flattens the T-800 then say the battle "lasted two or three days".
Point is, it means nothing. Especially when the title says "our" present. That opening text is just a fancy way of getting the audience into the story, the equivalence of Sarah Connor's opening monologue in T2.
Yes I do. He's uncertain when he states the "one possible future", he doesn't know "tech stuff", remember? The line of it just being him and the Terminator, is naive. Why? Because moments after Reese is sent through, Connor sent the T-800 in pursuit of the T-1000. Reese doesn't know it, how could he? That wasn't his mission.
If John Connor can keep the fact that Reese is his father secret for Reese's entire future existence, then I don't see why he wouldn't be able to keep the T-800 and T-1000 from him. The events in T2 mean nothing to Kyle Reese, especially when Connor knows that Reese will be dead long before T2.
CSM-101 is the Arnold skin. CSM-099 and CSM-102 look like someone else.
Skynet only sent ONE Arnold infiltration Terminator, so the infiltration units make sense. Connor was the one that sent the second one in the image of the machine that hunted his mother. I see no problem here.
Now if T2 was a "good T-800 Arnold" vs. "bad T-800 Arnold" film or a newer Endo model looked exactly like Arnold (like T3's stupid "T-850"), then I'd agree with you. That didn't happen though. Skynet utilized three different faces, Arnold, Columbo and Robert Patrick. That's good enough for me.
Would I have wanted to see the T2 deleted scene of the Skynet factory that houses the cold storage infiltrator facility? The one in the script and production stages that would have shown racks upon racks of different "human CSM" T-800s? Sure. I would have LOVED to have seen that. But it was cut for obvious technical and financial reasons.
Cameron, Wisher and Ling's explanation are good enough for me. It's just a pity we never got to see a film and story that depicted the Future War that would bridge T1 and T2 and flesh out the mythology more.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Reese could only identify the T-800 after he saw it in person, after which point he recognised it was a model 101 (Arnie). To have known this specific detail he had to have seen an assembly line in 2029. Now if that meant he somehow was able to remember what every other model number would look like is something I wonder about...wouldn't seem plausible unless 101 is just an arbitrary kind of number and isn't meant to infer that there are at least 100 other models...
But either way Reese recognised Arnie, and can be assumed to have seen more of him in 2029, therefore there was more than 1 Arnie T-800 and its quite feasible that the resistance could get a hold of one and send it the past to protect John Connor in T2.
Damn. Sucked right back in despite my previous posts.
Reese could only identify the T-800 after he saw it in person, after which point he recognised it was a model 101 (Arnie). To have known this specific detail he had to have seen an assembly line in 2029. Now if that meant he somehow was able to remember what every other model number would look like is something I wonder about...wouldn't seem plausible unless 101 is just an arbitrary kind of number and isn't meant to infer that there are at least 100 other models...
But either way Reese recognised Arnie, and can be assumed to have seen more of him in 2029, therefore there was more than 1 Arnie T-800 and its quite feasible that the resistance could get a hold of one and send it the past to protect John Connor in T2.
Damn. Sucked right back in despite my previous posts.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Hmm. . .maybe we've been misled all along. It isn't living human skin that is actually need to time travel. . .it's having a robot brain! T-800s, T-1000, and Reese all had one. ****.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
That's something I've never quite understood about T2. How the **** did the T1000 make it through? And don't feed me that "it's living metal, bro!" BS.
That's something I've never quite understood about T2. How the **** did the T1000 make it through? And don't feed me that "it's living metal, bro!" BS.
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
I've just thought of a way around that - if there were indeed 100 or more other models, quite possibly they weren't all in use at the same time or from the same facility. The resistance may have only found two or three lines of different model T-800s at the time displacement location, a far smaller selection whose faces and model number Reese could remember and they deduced that it would be one of those he would face in 1984.
I've just thought of a way around that - if there were indeed 100 or more other models, quite possibly they weren't all in use at the same time or from the same facility. The resistance may have only found two or three lines of different model T-800s at the time displacement location, a far smaller selection whose faces and model number Reese could remember and they deduced that it would be one of those he would face in 1984.
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Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Urrrghhh but then how did he not know which one it would be if they saw one missing?!
''A person could go crazy thinking about these things''
''messes with your head''
Urrrghhh but then how did he not know which one it would be if they saw one missing?!
''A person could go crazy thinking about these things''
''messes with your head''
Re: Terminator: Genesis (July 1st, 2015)
Nah, Reese was just trying to sound like he knew what he was talking about so he could score with Sarah. All the details were ********.
Nah, Reese was just trying to sound like he knew what he was talking about so he could score with Sarah. All the details were ********.
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