Thank you, dynamicduocomics, you greedy eBay flipper!!!

[Blackthornone]

Sure we do. We provide you with the item you want that you werent either smart enough to order at retail or able to order at retail. Either way your crying doesnt bother me. I bought said item i'll sell it for what I want.

I believe it. That fact that you don't care is why you do it. It's why every flipper does it. I understand that. If something was made available for a certain time to an unlimited number of people for an unlimited amount of orders, and after that time, someone was to flip something, that would be completely ethical, because no one was deprived of it by the flipper, and everyone had an equal chance to get one. At that point,the flipper IS doing people a service, by making something available to people who missed out. THAT I appreciate.

 

[Eli26]

Someone just kill the thread. It's over toys...

 

[The Tuggernaut]

Yes please... lock this thread.

 

[bumblebee]

To me, superhero collectibles aren't about economics. They are about liking the characters, which don't try to take advantage of people, they try to help them. Stan Lee said that superheroes don't try to hurt people, they try to help people. I understand economics and capitalism. I just don't think that they should apply the same to superhero collectibles. The superhero genre is supposed to be ABOVE such things. If people want to do it to horror collectibles, its different, because those are about hurting people. In that case, I think ruthless capitalism would be totally consistent with that mindset.

piss....superheros arent real,there made up characters. This is the real world and in the real word its are you paying with cash or charge.

 

[Blackthornone]

They're FIGURES/STATUES... not people. They have no feelings and are made of polystone or plastic.

Don't take ^^^^ too seriously.

The people who buy them have feelings. Money is a valuable thing needed to buy all things including necessities, and people would need less of it to buy their collectibles if it wasn't for flippers. There would be more happy people in the world, which is better than a FEW flipper getting a lot of money by making people pay more. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". -Especially the few who seek happiness by exploiting the many. Some people were never taught that it isn't nice to take advantage of others. Since we are talking about superheros, niceness DOES apply, since superheroes are about a higher sense of ethics, which means niceness. Bottom line is, people who only buy things to flip provide a useless service by deliberately depriving other people of what they want, which is greedy and lazy in ANY area of commerce, but I think it is especially inconsistent with superheroes.

 

[Blackthornone]

piss....superheros arent real,there made up characters. This is the real world and in the real word its are you paying with cash or charge.

Superheroes are IDEALS made up by real human beings. It is an art form that hopefully inspires people to be better people. In ancient Egypt, they had a definition of art which was that it must inspire people to be more ethical, more considerate, or just better people. In this, superheroes are the greatest art form in the world, because they teach human beings about ethics and morals at a time in their lives when they are most receptive, as children, without sounding preachy, so it is the most readily accepted, mixed in with super powers and the like, which appeals to the imagination, thus making it more palatable.

 

[bumblebee]

The people who buy them have feelings. Money is a valuable thing needed to buy all things including necessities, and people would need less of it to buy their collectibles if it wasn't for flippers. There would be more happy people in the world, which is better than a FEW flipper getting a lot of money by making people pay more. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". -Especially the few who seek happiness by exploiting the many. Some people were never taught that it isn't nice to take advantage of others. Since we are talking about superheros, niceness DOES apply, since superheroes are about a higher sense of ethics, which means niceness. Bottom line is, people who only buy things to flip provide a useless service by deliberately depriving other people of what they want, which is greedy and lazy in ANY area of commerce, but I think it is especially inconsistent with superheroes.

Name one real life superhero. ITS ALL MADE UP....ITS NOT REAL!!

 

[Scar]

The people who buy them have feelings. Money is a valuable thing needed to buy all things including necessities, and people would need less of it to buy their collectibles if it wasn't for flippers. There would be more happy people in the world, which is better than a FEW flipper getting a lot of money by making people pay more. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". -Especially the few who seek happiness by exploiting the many. Some people were never taught that it isn't nice to take advantage of others. Since we are talking about superheros, niceness DOES apply, since superheroes are about a higher sense of ethics, which means niceness. Bottom line is, people who only buy things to flip provide a useless service by deliberately depriving other people of what they want, which is greedy and lazy in ANY area of commerce, but I think it is especially inconsistent with superheroes.

Hhmmm... I see where both parties are coming from here, actually. I flip ALL the time, but only with things I could stand to part with. Most of my collectibles I have because I consider them to be extensions of some dimension of my personality. Whether it is my love or empathy for a character, a comic, a movie, a book, or wildlife, every single thing that I have in my collection and consider "permanent" represents some part of me or some memory or emotional attachment.

That said, in some cases it defies logic not to flip an item. The economic viability is easy enough to see... in fact, if you have a collectible that you could easily clear a profit on, why not do so? Some abstract sense of morality? I guess this is why I have always found a rapport with the villains and misanthropes in any story, because to offer retail when you could clear a great amount and don't particularly like or need the collectible is tantamount to foolishness. I have to admit when I saw that a Lurtz PF exclusive sold for BIN $700 on eBay, its "permanent" status in my collection became tenuous.

 

[Blackthornone]

Name one real life superhero. ITS ALL MADE UP....ITS NOT REAL!!

The ideals that superheroes represent are as REAL as you want them to be in your beliefs, which determines the kind of person you are. Once again, superheroes are ideas made up by real people. As far as conduct is concerned, you can be however you believe. By saying they aren't real, are you asserting that superheroes dont mean that much to you, as in the collectibles don't have that much meaning to you, as in you have no real passion for them, as if you only buy them for profit? Makes sense. I've made my point, and you have proved it.

 

[bumblebee]

The ideals that superheroes represent are as REAL as you want them to be in your beliefs, which determines the kind of person you are. Once again, superheroes are ideas made up by real people. As far as conduct is concerned, you can be however you believe. By saying they aren't real, are you asserting that superheroes dont mean that much to you, as in the collectibles don't have that much meaning to you, as in you have no real passion for them, as if you only buy them for profit? Makes sense. I've made my point, and you have proved it.

Do we need to have the Santa talk too?

 

[orc brute]

The ideals that superheroes represent are as REAL as you want them to be in your beliefs, which determines the kind of person you are. Once again, superheroes are ideas made up by real people. As far as conduct is concerned, you can be however you believe. By saying they aren't real, are you asserting that superheroes dont mean that much to you, as in the collectibles don't have that much meaning to you, as in you have no real passion for them, as if you only buy them for profit? Makes sense. I've made my point, and you have proved it.

what a load of bollocks , where do you live? metropolis.

 

[Scar]

God I hope this thread is locked soon. It's devolved into just plain bickering and childish jibes. If there was a point when civil discourse existed, well...

 

[Blackthornone]

Hhmmm... I see where both parties are coming from here, actually. I flip ALL the time, but only with things I could stand to part with. Most of my collectibles I have because I consider them to be extensions of some dimension of my personality. Whether it is my love or empathy for a character, a comic, a movie, a book, or wildlife, every single thing that I have in my collection and consider "permanent" represents some part of me or some memory or emotional attachment.

That said, in some cases it defies logic not to flip an item. The economic viability is easy enough to see... in fact, if you have a collectible that you could easily clear a profit on, why not do so? Some abstract sense of morality? I guess this is why I have always found a rapport with the villains and misanthropes in any story, because to offer retail when you could clear a great amount and don't particularly like or need the collectible is tantamount to foolishness. I have to admit when I saw that a Lurtz PF exclusive sold for BIN $700 on eBay, its "permanent" status in my collection became tenuous.

I agree with what you are saying, however, you are talking about buying an item for yourself and then deciding later to sell something once you think the money is worth more to you than the item. I agree with that, it's acceptable to do it, even if you make a 3 grand off it. The kind of flipping I am talking about is when people buy something they don't want to begin with, and only want to sell, and so are buying with the deliberate intent with the exclusive agenda of depriving others for financial gain, whether they buy one or even more with multiple addresses , which is something even Sideshow doesn't agree with, because it is done to sidestep their 1 item per customer policy. Sideshow tries to look after the COLLECTOR, not the flipper.

 

[El Roranous]

SS sells products at a profit, and deservedly so, since they contribute something. Flippers don't contribute anything to anyone.They just force people to pay more for the same item they could have had for less if the flipper didn't buy it first. When someone has all of something that someone else wants, they can set the price if that someone else is going to get it. If no flippers bought things, then there would be more left for people who want to buy things for themselves, at a reasonable price. Flippers prevent people from getting things at a reasonable price by forcing others to pay more, because the flipper controls the supply. It is sort of like holding something for ransom. What does the flipper give people that they couldn't get by buying it direct? NOTHING. They just take. They are lazy, greedy people who want to get money by contributing nothing and financially taking advantage of other people. If flippers GAVE people something that they couldn't get by buying it directly that was desirable, that would be different, but they don't. People who buy houses or cars in need of restoration who then fix them up and sell at a profit deserve a profit and are making money ethically, because they contributed something, making it a BETTER item for the next buyer.
Age has nothing to do with ethics. There are unethical 5 year olds as well as 60 year olds. There are ethical 5 year olds and 60 year olds, too. Flippers are just greedy people who want money the easy way without contributing anything to society, and who have no problem with harming it, like Michael Milken.

Did you know Sideshow probably pays their factory employees in China like a couple cents an hour? How's that for ethical?

 

[The Tuggernaut]

what a load of bollocks , where do you live? metropolis.

 

[Blackthornone]

what a load of bollocks , where do you live? metropolis.

I'm not talking about super powers, I'm talking about a standard of ethics. You might be missing the point.

 

[El Roranous]

To me, superhero collectibles aren't about economics. They are about liking the characters, which don't try to take advantage of people, they try to help them. Stan Lee said that superheroes don't try to hurt people, they try to help people. I understand economics and capitalism. I just don't think that they should apply the same to superhero collectibles. The superhero genre is supposed to be ABOVE such things. If people want to do it to horror collectibles, its different, because those are about hurting people. In that case, I think ruthless capitalism would be totally consistent with that mindset.

Are you havin a laugh with us? you can't be for real right? Flipping is not OK in this instance just because they are super hero collectibles? What about the Dr. Doom PF- he is an evil MOFO, can I flip that statue? Doesn't matter because I have already flipped two of them.

I think you are really new to this hobby. Sure it sucks that you have not been able to make a profit yet but once you do then I doubt you will be lecturing us on ethics anymore.

At the end of the day, an item is an item. It can be sold for whatever the market will handle. Doesn't matter if it's a statue of Captain America or some porn.

 

[Scar]

I agree with what you are saying, however, you are talking about buying an item for yourself and then deciding later to sell something once you think the money is worth more to you than the item. I agree with that, it's acceptable to do it, even if you make a 3 grand off it. The kind of flipping I am talking about is when people buy something they don't want to begin with, and only want to sell, and so are buying with the deliberate intent with the exclusive agenda of depriving others for financial gain, whether they buy one or even more with multiple addresses , which is something even Sideshow doesn't agree with, because it is done to sidestep their 1 item per customer policy. Sideshow tries to look after the COLLECTOR, not the flipper.

A laudable view that I think many collectors would agree with, but many disagree with as well. I understand the frustration with flippers, but it's just part of the game; particularly right now. The economy sucks everywhere you look; might as well carve out a niche and make a profit where you can. It's both a hobby AND a business. If a buyer doesn't know they can get an item for a cheaper price if they just look around, well, hence the slogan "buyer beware". It's a profit-driven world. I guess this thread helps to reinforce my point that every human being is innately self-interested and that all kindness in the world is a fabricated construct manufactured either out of selfish motivation or a desire to keep the peace and afford oneself safety in this Hobbesian world in which we live and beathe... (Jesus Christ I hope that philosophical diatribe was enough to kill this thread.)

 

[Blackthornone]

Did you know Sideshow probably pays their factory employees in China like a couple cents an hour? How's that for ethical?

I don't know how much they pay them, although the cost of living is certainly lower there. We are speculating. However, if SS is giving them a job they wouldn't have had without working for them, then that is to the benefit of the Chinese. In that case, SS is proving jobs where once there was none, at a rate of pay that is probably comparable to any other job in China, which is why the workers took the job. The low cost of living is why there can be low pay for Chinese workers. If they were paid as much as American workers, then it would be better that American workers make them, because then the freight charges would be much lower.

 

[El Roranous]

The people who buy them have feelings. Money is a valuable thing needed to buy all things including necessities, and people would need less of it to buy their collectibles if it wasn't for flippers. There would be more happy people in the world, which is better than a FEW flipper getting a lot of money by making people pay more. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". -Especially the few who seek happiness by exploiting the many. Some people were never taught that it isn't nice to take advantage of others. Since we are talking about superheros, niceness DOES apply, since superheroes are about a higher sense of ethics, which means niceness. Bottom line is, people who only buy things to flip provide a useless service by deliberately depriving other people of what they want, which is greedy and lazy in ANY area of commerce, but I think it is especially inconsistent with superheroes.

I think you have a skewed sense of how anybody and everybody survives on this planet. Making money is like making matter. For anyone to make a profit there has to be some one taking a loss somewhere- it's like a ladder. Even the smallest lowest rung on this ladder is exploiting some one or some natural resource to procure a profit. It's just the way it is. Every one takes advantage of everyone in a monetary system.