The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

[a-dev]

I wasn't joking though, great scene.

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I want a figure of younger Carl the T-800. The first bad-guy Terminator who succeeds in his mission.

 

[Khev]

I know the quality of the video wasn't that great but from what I could tell the de-aging was so good it almost looked like a horrifying outtake from the end of T2.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It took Carl 10 seconds to do what

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the T 1000 couldn't do in a whole film. T 1000 sucks now. Carl didn't even wear a disguise, same flat top haircut and sunglasses too.

 

[jye4ever]

The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

That de-age looked really really good like I said really surreal seeing that scene play with those results, goosebumps surreal.


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[a-dev]

I keep watching it. I won't deny, that's a powerful scene. I love it and I hate it simultaneously, wtf.

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It's a bizarre thought that this film will show a Terminator-incarnate, cold and indifferent, doing what it was intended to do and succeeding where all others failed - and that same Terminator will become the most pacified and friendly version we've ever seen within the same movie.

 

[Khev]

I know right, and now I can't help but imagine an alternate 1991 where the original T2 ended with *that* scene after cutting away from that dark highway at night. It would have brought the series right back to it's slasher/horror roots. Then T3 could have explored the notion that Reese destroyed original John by impregnating Sarah and that Furlong was never destined to lead the resistance anyway.

Hell that could have been the route they took with this new film.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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[Wor-Gar]

I can't help but imagine an alternate 1991 where the original T2 ended with *that* scene after cutting away from that dark highway at night.

Then imagine Alan Silvestri's strings and a whip-pan over to a bush where Marty McFly is hiding, radioing to Doc Brown: Doc! We got a problem!

Walkie scrambles a moment, silence...then: .... on your left.

 

[Khev]

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You know I liked that first clip so much I'm actually going to hold off on watching the entire sequence until the theater.

Trying to give Cameron the benefit of the doubt for a moment, I wonder if that scene was him just going all Anakin on Padme ("in your anger, you killed John"..."what?" lol) Because if you think about it the one common denominator across all the crappy T2 sequels is John Connor. Even Arnold didn't truly appear in TS.

So maybe Cameron thought that the one true way to cut off all those branches was to take out John. Maybe it pained him to do so but he felt he didn't have another choice. And then with the vacancy left by John's death he figured why not go for the low-hanging "feminist" fruit. I'm not saying that that will make his decisions correct, or that DF will be good, or that they didn't go overboard with the woke feminism, but at least I think it's *possible* that that wasn't the sole purpose of him making this flick or even his top priority.

Maybe he just thought it'd be fun and different to go all female similar to how he thought it'd be fun and different to make Arnold the good guy in T2. Food for thought I guess.

 

[a-dev]

I had read the spoilers, I knew what took place - I thought I would only hate it because I hated the very theoretical idea of it. But actually seeing it, a certain appreciation crept in

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for their depiction of a true T-800 Terminator however briefly that will be. The horror of it.

In light of my confused and conflicted reaction to that scene I should withhold further criticism until I see the whole film. But don't be surprised if I'm still chipping away at it in the meantime as other reviews and opinions come up.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Carl should have been wearing shorts and sandals.

 

[Khev]

I had read the spoilers, I knew what took place - I thought I would only hate it because I hated the very theoretical idea of it. But actually seeing it, a certain appreciation crept in

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for their depiction of a true T-800 Terminator however briefly that will be. The horror of it.

In light of my confused and conflicted reaction to that scene I should withhold further criticism until I see the whole film. But don't be surprised if I'm still chipping away at it in the meantime as other reviews and opinions come up.

Yep I agree. And by all accounts this might still be the crappy, forgettable, "non-canon," woke, etc., film that we've been writing it off as being from the beginning.

And yet...I'd be lying if I said that that clip doesn't imply a premise that I would have been on board with since 1991.

I mean if I divorce the premise from Cameron's own complaints about the opening of Alien 3, his complaints about the repetition of TFA, gratuitous passing the torch to females of the current year, Tim Miller's idiotic comments about misogyny and so on and take it *only* as the in-universe continuation of T2 well then let's see here it:

1. Shifts the tone of the entire franchise right back to its original sci-fi/horror roots.
2. Portrays Skynet in a tactically sound and systematic way.
3. Showcases an aging Arnold and Linda in a shockingly flattering light.

I mean really just string some decent action sequences around those three elements above and you've got a recipe for a perfectly valid entry in the series. And focusing for a second on #2 above the opening of DF really makes perfect sense. Why wouldn't Skynet send as many Terminators back through time as it could? Reese was wrong about it being "just him, and me." So now we see what a tragic mistake it was for Sarah to assume that "Skynet sent two Terminators back through time." And if Skynet sends a bunch of Terminators (which would be a logically sound tactic) then well, it does kind of *legitimately* lend itself to a bit of "Groundhog Day" repetition over the course of however many years.

And if we can accept that approach when it's done well in Edge of Tomorrow well why not Terminator. Skynet could have even sent some sleeper Terminators with the sole mission of *not* assassinating anyone and instead offering themselves, and more specifically their CPU's, up to Cyberdyne or whoever else to research to greater ensure it's own "birth."

"There's one more chip, and it must be destroyed as well." Another tragic mistake. There could be dozens of chips appearing out of thin air when all is said and done. How horrible for Sarah to live with the fact that she willingly lowered Uncle Bob into the steel when he could have been *so* useful just a few short days later.

As I said this could still be a total woke or blandly repetitive **** show but damn, from what I'm seeing as far as the premise is concerned this sucker could actually win me over.

 

[jye4ever]

Just erase the whole movie and insert that as a dream sequence in T2 and call it a day.


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[jye4ever]

Carl should have been wearing shorts and sandals.

That actually would?ve made it even more disturbing and horrifying.


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That actually would?ve made it even more disturbing and horrifying.


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Pulp Fiction style.

 

[Khev]

Just erase the whole movie and insert that as a dream sequence in T2 and call it a day.

Or have DF3 be the future war we've always wanted ending with the first T-800 going back in time, Reese going back in time, the T-1000 going back in time, and then as young Carl is about to step into the time machine old Sarah steps into the room with a plasma cannon and blows *him* away. A flood of "new" memories of John growing up and becoming the leader of the Resistance instantly enters her mind all at once and she turns to see the original 45 year old John from the T2 prologue restored in her own timeline.

And she would have killed Carl as she had promised so many years ago.

That's the type of playing with audience expectations without enraging them that Cameron used to be so good at back in the day.

 

[Khev]

That actually would?ve made it even more disturbing and horrifying.

Or it could have suddenly made the whole sequence unintentionally silly. I mean sure it could have easily made sense for the T-800 to be dressed like that just like technically it was feasible for him to think that Elton John glasses in T3 would have made an acceptable disguise. But I think it was wiser to keep the aesthetic of his look more in line with what was established in the original film.

 

[jye4ever]

I always wanted a T-800 in a Duran Duran Simon Le Bon jacket, slacks and shoes lol


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[Sachiel]

The now infamous intro scene.

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Why didn't it kill Sarah, too?

 

[a-dev]

It took Carl 10 seconds to do what

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the T 1000 couldn't do in a whole film. T 1000 sucks now. Carl didn't even wear a disguise, same flat top haircut and sunglasses too.

You shut your whore mouth!

Yep I agree. And by all accounts this might still be the crappy, forgettable, "non-canon," woke, etc., film that we've been writing it off as being from the beginning.

And yet...I'd be lying if I said that that clip doesn't imply a premise that I would have been on board with since 1991.

I mean if I divorce the premise from Cameron's own complaints about the opening of Alien 3, his complaints about the repetition of TFA, gratuitous passing the torch to females of the current year, Tim Miller's idiotic comments about misogyny and so on and take it *only* as the in-universe continuation of T2 well then let's see here it:

1. Shifts the tone of the entire franchise right back to its original sci-fi/horror roots.
2. Portrays Skynet in a tactically sound and systematic way.
3. Showcases an aging Arnold and Linda in a shockingly flattering light.

I mean really just string some decent action sequences around those three elements above and you've got a recipe for a perfectly valid entry in the series. And focusing for a second on #2 above the opening of DF really makes perfect sense. Why wouldn't Skynet send as many Terminators back through time as it could? Reese was wrong about it being "just him, and me." So now we see what a tragic mistake it was for Sarah to assume that "Skynet sent two Terminators back through time." And if Skynet sends a bunch of Terminators (which would be a logically sound tactic) then well, it does kind of *legitimately* lend itself to a bit of "Groundhog Day" repetition over the course of however many years.

And if we can accept that approach when it's done well in Edge of Tomorrow well why not Terminator. Skynet could have even sent some sleeper Terminators with the sole mission of *not* assassinating anyone and instead offering themselves, and more specifically their CPU's, up to Cyberdyne or whoever else to research to greater ensure it's own "birth."

"There's one more chip, and it must be destroyed as well." Another tragic mistake. There could be dozens of chips appearing out of thin air when all is said and done. How horrible for Sarah to live with the fact that she willingly lowered Uncle Bob into the steel when he could have been *so* useful just a few short days later.

As I said this could still be a total woke or blandly repetitive **** show but damn, from what I'm seeing as far as the premise is concerned this sucker could actually win me over.

Wow, well, I'm hesitant to go that far. I've stapled myself to hating this movie pretty hard, particularly in the last few days since reviews have popped up.

The rest of the movie would have to be surprisingly damn good to push me into fully embracing the opening scene and it simply doesn't look very good at all for the reasons we've been talking about all along.

Lets say I did accept it though and decided 'yes this is canon' - I would have this question - why did the resistance only know about the 1984 T-800 and the T-1000 in 1995? And therefore why didn't Uncle Bob know there were other threats out there?

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because it seems like Carl knows. He's the one sending Sarah these texts with co-ordinates to these other Terminators - which is weird in itself when you think about it - why wouldn't he go after them himself? Why is he putting her in harms way?

Just erase the whole movie and insert that as a dream sequence in T2 and call it a day.


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Probably this^