The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

[Snake Plissken]

Re: The "All things Terminator" thread.

T2 was a natural progression for a sequel before they wore it out with the later films. Putting a Terminator on the good side enabled the escalation of stunts and so on since the hero character could now plausibly survive them. However repeated escalation just ends up going too far away from the original movie to a point where it just doesn't feel like part of the same movie continuity anymore.

Same with Die Hard, if anything they need to go smaller again, not bigger. So basically what you guys are saying - bring the fear back. It's hard to do that with Arnie playing the goodie Terminator or there actually being a goodie Terminator at all.

Yeah, upping the ante didn't add anything to the sequels. T2 was a stark change from the first film obviously, but it definitely worked and stands on it's own, which is why like you and many others hold it as the best one. It's all subjective, and it's amazing to have two masterpiece films to pick and choose from in that regard.

Going smaller is definitely the way to go. TS I think tried to do that, but was so poorly executed. But then again, you had another Goodminator in it, so...

When you really break down what all the Terminators are, T1 is the only one you were really afraid for the protagonists to tangle with and technically, he's the weakest of all the models. Simpler is almost always better. It's all about how it's portrayed, not to mention the midi synth tracks worked so well to convey it as the unfeeling machine assassin.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

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Nice! Is it one of those emerging from the fires ones?

It's a close-up of the skull. The face fills the entire page and it's on a metallic paper. I don't know how I missed it when I walked by the guy's booth, but luckily, my wife pointed it out to me.

 

[shells075]

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I've always wondered what the finished 1/4 scale Terminator from HT would of looked like? I guess we will never know.

Proto looked promising.

 

[EVILFACE]

Re: The "All things Terminator" thread.

T2 was a natural progression for a sequel before they wore it out with the later films. Putting a Terminator on the good side enabled the escalation of stunts and so on since the hero character could now plausibly survive them. However repeated escalation just ends up going too far away from the original movie to a point where it just doesn't feel like part of the same movie continuity anymore.

Same with Die Hard, if anything they need to go smaller again, not bigger. So basically what you guys are saying - bring the fear back. It's hard to do that with Arnie playing the goodie Terminator or with there actually being a goodie Terminator at all. ****ing Terminator Salvation, they just couldn't resist could they.

Have a reprogrammed Terminator from the past be sent to the future to destroy Skynet.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: The "All things Terminator" thread.

The BD T-800 & The Commando Matrix sculpts are the best Arnold sculpts to come from HT.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Re: The "All things Terminator" thread.

The BD T-800 & The Commando Matrix sculpts are the best Arnold sculpts to come from HT.

 

[a-dev]

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Have a reprogrammed Terminator from the past be sent to the future to destroy Skynet.

I think we got that with the theme park ride. Cameron's worst piece of work IMO Although I don't think he intended it as official canon.

 

[SNIKT1950]

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Dude, my John Matrix looks just like Arnold. HT finally got the eyes right and shape of his head.

 

[crows]

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I think we got that with the theme park ride. Cameron's worst piece of work IMO Although I don't think he intended it as official canon.

the ride is better than genesys

 

[Snake Plissken]

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Dude, my John Matrix looks just like Arnold. HT finally got the eyes right and shape of his head.

I'm glad you confirmed the troll post

 

[Khev]

Re: The "All things Terminator" thread.

T2 was a natural progression for a sequel before they wore it out with the later films. Putting a Terminator on the good side enabled the escalation of stunts and so on since the hero character could now plausibly survive them. However repeated escalation just ends up going too far away from the original movie to a point where it just doesn't feel like part of the same movie continuity anymore.

Same with Die Hard, if anything they need to go smaller again, not bigger. So basically what you guys are saying - bring the fear back. It's hard to do that with Arnie playing the goodie Terminator or with there actually being a goodie Terminator at all. ****ing Terminator Salvation, they just couldn't resist could they.

After all the crap that has come after the Cameron films I think they should just go full reboot if they were ever to make anymore at this point. Hell Cameron himself has said that that's what he would do instead of making additional "sequels." Then they could just do whatever they wanted. Maybe a Bone Tomahawk type film but with a Terminator where Skynet was able to trace Connor's ancestors to the 1800's and decided to send the assassin back then so that there'd be no readily available off the shelf weapons for any humans to counter a T-800 with. Make the movie cheap and gruesome.

It'd be tough because obviously a Terminator Western could be really dumb but if they didn't bring back Arnold and had a genuinely scary guy as the assassin it could work.

 

[RIDDICK]

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I just want someone to officially make TSCC figures.

 

[Snake Plissken]

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I just want a Biehn Reese already.

 

[EVILFACE]

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After all the crap that has come after the Cameron films I think they should just go full reboot if they were ever to make anymore at this point. Hell Cameron himself has said that that's what he would do instead of making additional "sequels." Then they could just do whatever they wanted. Maybe a Bone Tomahawk type film but with a Terminator where Skynet was able to trace Connor's ancestors to the 1800's and decided to send the assassin back then so that there'd be no readily available off the shelf weapons for any humans to counter a T-800 with. Make the movie cheap and gruesome.

It'd be tough because obviously a Terminator Western could be really dumb but if they didn't bring back Arnold and had a genuinely scary guy as the assassin it could work.

I did like at the end of TG that the T-800 and T-1000 were combined.

 

[a-dev]

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After all the crap that has come after the Cameron films I think they should just go full reboot if they were ever to make anymore at this point. Hell Cameron himself has said that that's what he would do instead of making additional "sequels." Then they could just do whatever they wanted. Maybe a Bone Tomahawk type film but with a Terminator where Skynet was able to trace Connor's ancestors to the 1800's and decided to send the assassin back then so that there'd be no readily available off the shelf weapons for any humans to counter a T-800 with. Make the movie cheap and gruesome.

It'd be tough because obviously a Terminator Western could be really dumb but if they didn't bring back Arnold and had a genuinely scary guy as the assassin it could work.

Ehhh I dunno. With a full reboot I think people might care even less about this franchise than they do right now.

I just want a Biehn Reese already.

At this point I really would be shocked if Hot Toys made anything beyond the Genisys Endo. They're probably regretting that they ever embarked on making that one after seeing how uninterested people have been in the Guardian T-800 figure.

 

[Khev]

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Ehhh I dunno. With a full reboot I think people might care even less about this franchise than they do right now.

I don't know that I think it would be possible for audiences to care less at this point. If the "gimmick" has absolutely no value whatsoever beyond just seeing Arnold again or skirting the edges of the films and universe we've already seen then I think that's even more reason to just throw in the towel. Some stories just don't demand 4 or 8 or 10 hour sagas. The only reason to have done another one up to now would have just been to have seen more of the future war that had only been teased and with Genisys we basically got that (for better or for worse.)

With Star Wars there's an entire galaxy with battles covering countless planets. I disagree with Disney's approach to oversaturation but at least there's no shortage of new characters, environments, and scenarios for them to invent and still keep it all in the same galaxy wide narrative. Not so with this tiny little Terminator loop of one Los Angeles future battle and then one single family that gets targeted in the 80's and 90's.

 

[SNIKT1950]

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I don't know that I think it would be possible for audiences to care less at this point. If the "gimmick" has absolutely no value whatsoever beyond just seeing Arnold again or skirting the edges of the films and universe we've already seen then I think that's even more reason to just throw in the towel. Some stories just don't demand 4 or 8 or 10 hour sagas. The only reason to have done another one up to now would have just been to have seen more of the future war that had only been teased and with Genisys we basically got that (for better or for worse.)

For me Salvation was on the right track.

McG just needed another film. I think everyone always envisioned Terminator movies set after Judgment Day during the war with the Machines. Salvation was the door to that.

 

[crows]

Re: The "All things Terminator" thread.

After all the crap that has come after the Cameron films I think they should just go full reboot if they were ever to make anymore at this point. Hell Cameron himself has said that that's what he would do instead of making additional "sequels." Then they could just do whatever they wanted. Maybe a Bone Tomahawk type film but with a Terminator where Skynet was able to trace Connor's ancestors to the 1800's and decided to send the assassin back then so that there'd be no readily available off the shelf weapons for any humans to counter a T-800 with. Make the movie cheap and gruesome.

It'd be tough because obviously a Terminator Western could be really dumb but if they didn't bring back Arnold and had a genuinely scary guy as the assassin it could work.

or make it like the butterfly effect where changing one small thing created different outcomes and they will have to keep going back to undo things or change things happening .
not even saving John connor from death at all but preventing stuff from happening. like people meeting or stuff.
thats what genesys should have been. not a rehash of the first two movies but a butterfly effect style movie where they go back because something else they did altered the timeline too much.

 

[crows]

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For me Salvation was on the right track.

McG just needed another film. I think everyone always envisioned Terminator movies set after Judgment Day during the war with the Machines. Salvation was the door to that.

i completely agree. if salvation didnt get crapped on we would have never had to deal with genesys.
the terminator bikes and the giant terminator were stupid but they were on the right track for sure

 

[GeneralZodLives]

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Here's the print I got this weekend.