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Really? No...right?^^

Yeah. ''Make one good movie and call it a day? Inconceivable!''

You got it.

Yeah I first thought the military guy was Dyson's son. My best guess is that he's Sarah's weapon supplier. That connection was just out of nowhere.

On a related note, the music of Terminator Dark Fate:



As a former musician, I'm always intrigued by the composer's thinking process when he/she writes a piece.


Couldn?t be much. "Oh, it?s in Mexico. I got just the thing." *pulls out clangy south american guitar and starts fiddling*

In other news:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...e-puts-franchise-ice-faces-120m-loss-1251926?

"The goodwill and brand equity created by the first two Terminator films was arguably undone by the subsequent pre-Dark Fate installments, which may have negatively impacted audience interest in this latest chapter in the series," says Paul Dergarabedian of Comscore.

Well, no s***! You don?t say?!
 
Yeah, fair point. And that's a damn shame. A travesty.

This. They ****all over the possibilities with these lame *** tries to copy the success of the best film of the 90's and one of the best of the 80's with those and wonder when it bombs. Reality check anybody?

As I understand it, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, in the T2 future war scene we were witnessing the final battle between the Resistance and the machines at or near to Skynet HQ. It may not have been typical for Skynet to deploy an army of skinless T-800s. Therefore Reese's experiences can be assumed to have been with the fleshed up infiltrators.

This and I also had the impression, that, in T1, those FW sequences were meant like "in between", like a transition between 600 and 800. Live battlefield were always patrols and the battle went on underground and Franco Columbo was one of the new ones, like really fresh, even though dogs identified it and the 600's were already rendered obsolete by Skynet.
 
I just watched T2 last night, been a year or two since I?ve seen it in it?s entirety (it was the 3D theatrical realease, what ever year that was). The Uncle Bob T-800 is pretty ****ing stoic. I never realized how little lines he has and he really just speaks when spoken too. It?s a great Arnold performance. A lot of it is John and Sarah talking while he looks off into the distance, scanning.

The thing that is annoying about the Terminator in T3, Genisys and Dark Fate is how often he rattles off percentages and probabilities with hard numbers. It?s ****ing stupid and ridiculous. He never does that in the first two. He never sounds like ****ing C-3PO or a stereotypical robot. In T2, the T-800 always speaks about things in a matter-of-fact manner. Once John starts teaching him ****, he actually starts developing a personality and becomes cool. The little smile he has in the bunker is appropriate in that moment (meaning he gets it) and you get the idea that he actually *likes* the guns and the armory. It?s a Terminator, through and through. That little flippant ?whatever? look he gives John when asked if he learned why he can?t just go around killing people on the way to Dyson?s is subtle and brilliant. A far cry to the over acting Arnold would do as the T-850, Pops and Carl in later movies. It?s almost like Arnold forgot how to play the character after the 90s and writers forgot how to write him.

There is no way in hell that character, as seen in T2, would develop into a cuckold like Carl. Owning a drapery business? Being hospitalable and serving guests beer with cut up limes? You got to be kidding me. If he had lived on past T2 (which would be impossible considering the damage he sustained at the steel mill), he?d Be an enforcer type that blows **** up,

While I agree with everything that you're saying, and I agree that the T 800 talks too much in all the films after T2, I can see a T 800 behaving like a human after having 20+ years of human interactions. If Uncle Bob was able to develop some kind of personality and become more of an extrovert in a matter of days after "bonding" with JC, then it is possible for Carl to evolve, even if I don't like what he became in DF.

Personally, I would not have him evolve into cliche sitcom husband, but I could see him developing some human quirks. Ideally, he would have continued to use his Skynet given skills, own a business where he can use his data analysis or advanced mathematical skills, like accounting. He'd live alone, no friends, no kids, maybe a cat. Basically, he would be Ben Affleck in The Accountant. He'd be like an autistic person, but functional like Ben Affleck's accountant character.
 
Man that was classic high quality DiFabio rant no one can tear a movie apart like that boi can lol

Somewhere out there in the real world there is a person named Carl serving a Corona who has no idea this movie exists.

Corona Carl lol


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Yeah the future war prologue in T2 is Skynet?s last stand. In the screenplay and concept art, what would happen next is they?d defeat Skynet, the machines would shut down and John Connor and Co. would storm Skynet?s compound to prep and send back Reese and the reprogrammed T-800. Skynet was desperate so it was sending everything it had before it?s ultimate demise.

All the other post-T2 movies just ape off that imagery of the rifle wielding endoskeletons. Just like they do with T2?s action scenes (those chases in Dark Fate with the ticks and helicopters rip off T2 almost beat for beat, same way T3 did back in 2003) or having a guardian Arnold and of course the liquid metal Terminators (TX, Asian T-1000, Evil John, Rev-9).

If Dark Fate were to get a sequel, there is no doubt in my mind that it would be Sarah and Dani going to some office building that eventually creates Legion and blowing it up. :lol
 
Nobody would ever carve "No Fate" into a picnic table. Unless a screenplay told them to do it.:lol
 
Dark fate was pretty fun. Cool looking villain, some great action, and Hamilton bringing her A game. For all the **** talking about the ways she looks on here, I was blown away by how flawlessly she pulled everything off. As for the other characters [emoji42][emoji42][emoji42]. I walked in as the rev 9 or whatever it is first teleported so I think I missed all the hub bub about John.


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Dark Fate also repeated the mistake of T3 by showing the liquid metal terminator materializing out of thin air at the beginning again. T2 wisely kept the T-1000's arrival off screen so that we could at least speculate that maybe he arrived in a proper "flesh cocoon" or what have you.
 
Dark Fate also repeated the mistake of T3 by showing the liquid metal terminator materializing out of thin air at the beginning again. T2 wisely kept the T-1000's arrival off screen so that we could at least speculate that maybe he arrived in a proper "flesh cocoon" or what have you.

Haha would look like an empty nut sac.
 
Dark Fate also repeated the mistake of T3 by showing the liquid metal terminator materializing out of thin air at the beginning again. T2 wisely kept the T-1000's arrival off screen so that we could at least speculate that maybe he arrived in a proper "flesh cocoon" or what have you.

I just always understood it as his liquid metal being able to replicate human tissue.
 
I thought it just sounded like someone knocking on a glass door. :lol You don't think he's advanced enough to replicate human tissue? Or at least enough for him to adhere to the rules of terminators time travel logic? That to me is more feasible than imagining him being sent in a flesh cocoon lol.
 
My friends and I determined back in the day that either the T-1000 is sentient (supported by its "death screams" when melting) or that it burst out of something organic off camera.

I think one of the production designers did eventually confirm that they envisioned him arriving in a flesh cocoon of sorts.
 
For those you have seen Dark Fate: do they say that the "Carl" T-800 was reprogrammed at some point?

I ask because I keep reading a lot of comments comparing Carl to Uncle Bob from T2, in terms of "evolving" into human-like behavior. But the T-800 in T2 was *reprogrammed.* That reprogramming would change the functionality of the AI in that model. Uncle Bob's Skynet programming would have been scrubbed in order to get him to help the resistance (humans). After being re-calibrated to protect John (and follow his orders), his AI would alter how he "behaves" in that role.

But if Carl was never reprogrammed, he'd essentially be like the T-800 in the first movie. I don't see how or why that version would *ever* eventually want to "fit in" and find satisfaction in selling drapes. So, does DF offer any explanation about reprogramming?
 
I thought it just sounded like someone knocking on a glass door. :lol You don't think he's advanced enough to replicate human tissue? Or at least enough for him to adhere to the rules of terminators time travel logic? That to me is more feasible than imagining him being sent in a flesh cocoon lol.

It'd sure make a bizarre visual and I can understand why they didn't show it in T2 because it would have demanded an explanation in the movie to remind people of the 'nothing dead will go' rule from T1 - and how was that explanation going to come about naturally? It would have been completely unnecessary exposition for the T-800 to give to John because they never came into contact with it. Yet who else could provide the explanation for the audience? Only the T-1000 and there was also no natural circumstance in which he would do so.

For the hardcore fans who remember what was said in T1 it doesn't have to be a plot hole if you're willing to accept that the T-1000 left behind a giant empty scrotum under that bridge. For everyone else, they didn't remember that rule or care in the first place. :lol
 
For the hardcore fans who remember what was said in T1 it doesn't have to be a plot hole if you're willing to accept that the T-1000 left behind a giant empty scrotum under that bridge. For everyone else, they didn't remember that rule or care in the first place. :lol

Yep but I appreciate that Cameron had the wherewithal to play it both ways by not showing the T-1000's arrival for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

And now I see that it was Van Ling the visual effects editor (not production designer) who spoke publicly about it:

"Originally there was suppose to be a scene showing officer Joe Austin finding the skin. That idea (flesh cocoon) was one we had bandied about during preproduction, but it was something that we thought would be too confusing to show visually it would have been like when Brett finds the shed alien skin in Alien. I still think it's the most logical explanation, given we see a flesh "mold" in the teaser trailer already. The other possibilities are that 1) the T-1000 could mimic the field generated by a living organism or 2) Reese really does NOT know tech stuff. Note that several comics and other media later played off the idea of surgically embedding weapons into human carriers and ripping them out of them once they arrived."
 
It was never a far stretch (pun) of the imagination to think that a facility creating a ton of delicate skin for the Endo?s would just quickly batch up a quick sac.


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It was never a far stretch (pun) of the imagination to think that a facility creating a ton of delicate skin for the Endo?s would just quickly batch up a quick sac.


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