The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

[onrina903]

Apologies if already posted.
T6 behind the scenes, possible spoilers:

 

[a-dev]

*trailer guy voice* Same picture, new video

well, a recent video

Under other circumstances I might have been tempted to direct a Terminator movie but I'm booked

These Avatar sequels better be ****ing incredible.

 

[Khev]

These Avatar sequels better be ****ing incredible.

If Alita is any indication then Terminator 6 can still be awesome with him as producer.

 

[a-dev]

via Imgflip Meme Generator

 

[Johnny Utah]

I have faith in the new film after this interview with Miller and Cameron.

 

[shells075]

I have faith in the new film after this interview with Miller and Cameron.

The other films were a bad dream, or an alternate timeline.
To be fair I thought Salvation was pretty decent, maybe that's just me though? T3 and especially Genisys though were just garbage. I nearly walked out early of Genisys.


If Dark Fate is anywhere near as good as the first 2 films I would be super impressed. Not sue about the tittle though, Dark Fate - Dark Knight.

 

[a-dev]

It's just hard to conceive of getting a good Terminator movie at this point after the complete mediocrity of the past 3 attempts

 

[Khev]

Cameron is steering the direction of the story though, and he's been just as disappointed with those other three films as everyone else. If he truly saw Genisys as the real Terminator 3 like he claimed in that one clip then he wouldn't be ignoring it. So there's hope for this new one.

He's got to know everyone has been pining for a grand future war sequence, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he delivered with like a 20 minute flashback in this one.

 

[a-dev]

The other films were a bad dream, or an alternate timeline.
To be fair I thought Salvation was pretty decent, maybe that's just me though? T3 and especially Genisys though were just garbage. I nearly walked out early of Genisys.


If Dark Fate is anywhere near as good as the first 2 films I would be super impressed. Not sue about the tittle though, Dark Fate - Dark Knight.

Salvation had a couple of things I liked but unfortunately the bad vastly outweighed the good.

Cameron is steering the direction of the story though, and he's been just as disappointed with those other three films as everyone else. If he truly saw Genisys as the real Terminator 3 like he claimed in that one clip then he wouldn't be ignoring it. So there's hope for this new one.

He's got to know everyone has been pining for a grand future war sequence, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he delivered with like a 20 minute flashback in this one.

I wish Cameron hadn't made those comments or had dialled them back a bit. He's generally honest in his views - he certainly wasn't on that occasion.

 

[Khev]

I'm going to assume that he praised it simply on account of being flattered that they tried to recreate so many of his own scenes. Or maybe he thought that they really were going to do a full trilogy and just threw his hands up and said screw it I'll give my blessing just to wash my hands of this franchise once and for all.

And now that the trilogy never happened he reconsidered returning to the story himself. That would definitely be a fascinating topic of discussion to share with him over a beer, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Shame watching him erode away wasting his genius on stupid blue cat save the trees Avatar.

We should’ve had a Cameron SW, Avengers, Bond, Batman, Conan, F13th movie but nooooooo I have devoted my life to those stupid cgi cats.

 

[spindrift]

Cameron wasted his years doing nothing but "planning"- ok Avatar is fine but who wants more??? Not me. The era around Abyss and True Lies he was on a roll and made everything bigger and more breathtaking. He was an immense talent. All I get from him these days is how amazing the world of three more Avatars will be. Sequel may be big but won't be big enough to sustain several more

 

[Khev]

And all those dumb Titanic and diving documentaries. We could have easily had 6-8 more Cameron epics on our Blu-ray shelf right now. Hell just since Avatar alone Nolan directed four entire films.

I'm counting Alita as being one of his though (kind of like Poltergeist and BTTF having Spielberg's fingerprints all over them.) So thank God we finally got that.

 

[Robopredinator]

I have faith in the new film after this interview with Miller and Cameron.

What I took from the subtle hints with regard to other post-T2 Arnie's is that this version will be indistinguishable from any other human. He will not be robotic and cold but will have emotional capabilities as well as an understanding of the subtleties and nuances of being human. It seems like that was what Tim was hinting at as he kept reiterating "grounding the character" and taking shots at other iterations of an older Arnold while maintaining his version will be fresh yet follow Cameron's rules established in T2. He kind of spilled the beans when he said that the outside organic matter changes but his inner workings remain the same, . . . . well except for his "brain".

T2 showed us that Arnold's learning computer sought to understand humans emotionally - there were three scenes where Arnold wondered about John's tears. If at the end of the movie (a short span of a few days), Arnold was able to say, "I now know why you cry," imagine is state of mind 30+ years later.

 

[a-dev]

I still like the first Avatar, I never jumped on the retroactive hate bandwagon for that one - but - all this talk with just constant delay after delay on those sequels has understandably bred an active annoyance and frustration with Cameron that 10 years later he still expects us to be excited about that particular film when there's so many other things we might otherwise have gotten from him.

What I took from the subtle hints with regard to other post-T2 Arnie's is that this version will be indistinguishable from any other human. He will not be robotic and cold but will have emotional capabilities as well as an understanding of the subtleties and nuances of being human. It seems like that was what Tim was hinting at as he kept reiterating "grounding the character" and taking shots at other iterations of an older Arnold while maintaining his version will be fresh yet follow Cameron's rules established in T2. He kind of spilled the beans when he said that the outside organic matter changes but his inner workings remain the same, . . . . well except for his "brain".

T2 showed us that Arnold's learning computer sought to understand humans emotionally - there were three scenes where Arnold wondered about John's tears. If at the end of the movie (a short span of a few days), Arnold was able to say, "I now know why you cry," imagine is state of mind 30+ years later.

A problem they could face if they do that is exactly the problem Terminator Genisys had with its Pops T-800 - where it feels unearned. It's like a cheat where they presume to build off T2 and yet it's not the same T-800, it's just another copy of one. We didn't see Pops develop into what he was, we were supposed to just take it for granted and it just wasn't very compelling as such.

Also, I don't like the idea of the T-800 actually being capable of feeling emotions. My interpretation of T2 - and in particular the line ''I know now why you cry, but it's something I can never do'' - is that by the end of the film, in spite of everything, the Terminator still isn't actually feeling emotion. He has merely learnt about it and what situations give rise to what emotions.

 

[MaulFan]

T2 T-800 comes off as seeming emotional because of some of his heroic actions, Cameron and Arnold found a balance of seeming human while ultimately just continuing his mission to protect John and ultimately, in a mechanical, calculated way, concluding that for the mission to succeed at a higher level, the threat from Skynet must be eliminated by eliminating Skynet, which necessitated his own termination.

 

[Khev]

My interpretation of T2 - and in particular the line ''I know now why you cry, but it's something I can never do'' - is that by the end of the film, in spite of everything, the Terminator still isn't actually feeling emotion. He has merely learnt about it and what situations give rise to what emotions.

I agree. I don't think it should ever be spelled out that the T-800 really is feeling emotions. I think it needs to be something that haunts the audience in that we want him to feel emotions in order to validate the relationship that he has with the other characters but that ultimately can't be confirmed as truly being the case. Kind of like whether or not Joi has a "soul" in BR2049. We want her to have one even though we recognize that everything she does that makes us want that could just be the result of her incredibly advanced programming.

These films have much greater poignancy when the hope of what we want for these characters feels forever just beyond our fingertips. IMO anyway.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Robopredinator]

T2 T-800 comes off as seeming emotional because of some of his heroic actions, Cameron and Arnold found a balance of seeming human while ultimately just continuing his mission to protect John and ultimately, in a mechanical, calculated way, concluding that for the mission to succeed at a higher level, the threat from Skynet must be eliminated by eliminating Skynet, which necessitated his own termination.

I agree. I don't think it should ever be spelled out that the T-800 really is feeling emotions. I think it needs to be something that haunts the audience in that we want him to feel emotions in order to validate the relationship that he has with the other characters but that ultimately can't be confirmed as truly being the case. Kind of like whether or not Joi has a "soul" in BR2049. We want her to have one even though we recognize that everything she does that makes us want that could just be the result of her incredibly advanced programming.

These films have much greater poignancy when the hope of what we want for these characters feels forever just beyond our fingertips. IMO anyway.

What I meant was that he will be able to replicate emotion - to better relate to humans - as opposed to feel emotion per se. He's an infiltrator cyborg, designed to blend in and his "learning computer" which, to me, was purposefully programmed to learn human nature and replicate it. He understood why John was crying at the end. Perhaps he experienced what saying goodbye meant but he knew to wipe his tear, embrace him and say goodbye - that was human in nature.

Go to 16:00 - 18:00 in the video. It really seems like this is where they are taking Arnold:

I have faith in the new film after this interview with Miller and Cameron.

 

[a-dev]

T2 T-800 comes off as seeming emotional because of some of his heroic actions, Cameron and Arnold found a balance of seeming human while ultimately just continuing his mission to protect John and ultimately, in a mechanical, calculated way, concluding that for the mission to succeed at a higher level, the threat from Skynet must be eliminated by eliminating Skynet, which necessitated his own termination.

I agree. I don't think it should ever be spelled out that the T-800 really is feeling emotions. I think it needs to be something that haunts the audience in that we want him to feel emotions in order to validate the relationship that he has with the other characters but that ultimately can't be confirmed as truly being the case. Kind of like whether or not Joi has a "soul" in BR2049. We want her to have one even though we recognize that everything she does that makes us want that could just be the result of her incredibly advanced programming.

These films have much greater poignancy when the hope of what we want for these characters feels forever just beyond our fingertips. IMO anyway.

Exactly. I think many people interpret it as Sarah interpreted it - the Terminator learning the value of human life. I don't know if that's what Cameron literally intended - it may have been, he can be sentimental in his writing. This new film may bear out what Sarah believed. It might contradict my own interpretation and, with this having major input from Cameron, I might have to retroactively apply it to T2...I hope it doesn't detract from rather than enhance if that's the route they go. Because I've rather enjoyed combating the T1 purists accusations of the pansy T-800 with basically what Maulfan was saying there - he was just carrying out his mission and making certain adaptations along the way as the situation changed. He wasn't becoming emotional, he was just learning about it and how to effect it to ultimately complete his mission.

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We were supposed to take that seriously

Go to 16:00 - 18:00 in the video. It really seems like this is where they are taking Arnold:

I've seen that interview before but you made me watch it again, it's a great one. They do say an awful lot of encouraging things - just, as I said, the risk that they intend to show a 'feeling' T-800 which I might not like at all and also Cameron talking about trilogy and passing the baton to new characters we don't know yet and may not care about.