The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)

[Niltusk]

My own feeling is that an insult toward a film is not an insult toward me. Similarly, a criticism to a feeling I hold toward a film ("i.e., that Ghost Rider was a fantastic movie, and I just don't get how everyone doesn't agree with me!"), is not an insult toward me. I didn't make these films, and I don't have to defend them in the way I would a friend or family member. However, an insult toward me, or people like me (however they are conceptualized) IS an insult to me. So when folks talk about "whiners" as Niltusk brings up, or more explicitly says something like "you are displaying your stupidity here," or then that's a problem. You don't even have to say "whiners like you," if it is obvious that others posting would be included in that group.

To me, this is fairly straight-forward, and at the essence of what is meant by civil discourse. None of us are perfect, and we all take jabs at others here in one way or another from time to time. But it does get out of hand sometimes, and once there is a heated conflict between members that might be a good time to question whether all the argumentation is worth it, when folks aren't going to change opinions, and even reality and hard evidence mean very little once these squabbles escalate to a certain point. It's just perpetuating a cycle.

Thats basically what I was wondering. There are things that get a pass, so you would assume, thats part of the lay of the land, but then you see pretty much the same situation and it gets erased/infracted/etc... it gets confusing as to what the boundaries are.

I know we "should" use common sense, but when arguing, sometimes its hard to stop and think okay, am i crossing a line that I can't return from.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Next month for other countries outside us

So we must be getting it around the same time as you guys, as far as I know Cap is releasing here like a month before the US.

 

[crows]

Right in the kisser. You just got a mouthfull of JYE!

ew

 

[karamazov80]

Thats basically what I was wondering. There are things that get a pass, so you would assume, thats part of the lay of the land, but then you see pretty much the same situation and it gets erased/infracted/etc... it gets confusing as to what the boundaries are.

I know we "should" use common sense, but when arguing, sometimes its hard to stop and think okay, am i crossing a line that I can't return from.

Well these situations aren't usually very cut and dry. Folks involved in disputes have usually been around a long time, long enough to know not to cross certain boundaries, and long enough to know that some boundaries can be pushed a bit. The rules aren't too strict, because if they were, then folks either wouldn't be able to argue at all, or it would be the wild west. Then, you've got different mods who interpret things a bit differently considering this ambiguity, there are some who may know more about context than others, who better know about a given member's history, etc. who will treat situations differently. Unfortunately there isn't a great deal of specific guidance that folks can give you here. Personally, I try not to make strict demands or threats because then I know they have to be enforced, and there is so much gray. So yeah, try to be sensible, try to be the bigger man and turn the other cheek or respond in civil tones rather than responding in-kind, report insults if you think it is warranted, use the ignore feature. All that stuff would make life a little better, understanding that it isn't a perfect world, life won't always be perfectly pleasant for everyone here, and some conflicts are simply not going to go away.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

... So yeah, try to be sensible, try to be the bigger man and turn the other cheek or respond in civil tones rather than responding in-kind, report insults if you think it is warranted, use the ignore feature. All that stuff would make life a little better, understanding that it isn't a perfect world, life won't always be perfectly pleasant for everyone here, and some conflicts are simply not going to go away.

Well put

Exactly my stance.

 

[crows]

My own feeling is that an insult toward a film is not an insult toward me. Similarly, a criticism to a feeling I hold toward a film ("i.e., that Ghost Rider was a fantastic movie, and I just don't get how everyone doesn't agree with me!"), is not an insult toward me. I didn't make these films, and I don't have to defend them in the way I would a friend or family member. However, an insult toward me, or people like me (however they are conceptualized) IS an insult to me. So when folks talk about "whiners" as Niltusk brings up, or more explicitly says something like "you are displaying your stupidity here," or then that's a problem. You don't even have to say "whiners like you," if it is obvious that others posting would be included in that group.

To me, this is fairly straight-forward, and at the essence of what is meant by civil discourse. None of us are perfect, and we all take jabs at others here in one way or another from time to time. But it does get out of hand sometimes, and once there is a heated conflict between members that might be a good time to question whether all the argumentation is worth it, when folks aren't going to change opinions, and even reality and hard evidence mean very little once these squabbles escalate to a certain point. It's just perpetuating a cycle.

I don't think hating a movie is as much of a problem as insulting people is. One thing is to argue about a movie saying is good or bad.
And another thing is start to insult people and making fun of them and bringing personal insults into the argument.

Dave's post talks about how people shouldn't just say a movie is garbage, I get that, But I think the biggest problem is when people use the fact that you like or hate a movie as an opportunity to insult you.

It's like some people use the movie as an excuse to come and insult you Regardless of how they feel about the movie, That's what sucks about this section of the forum sometimes.

feels like they don't even care about the movie as much as they care about insulting the person

 

[jye4ever]

ew

Heyyyyyy.

Actually, ewwww is about right, carry on.

 

[hoodonit00]

After reading the last 20 pages of this thread I now know why people call us nerds.

 

[crows]

What about people making fun of Actors or celebrities?

Like all the hate for Affleck? does that mean there could have been reports of comments in that thread? Or the hate for Andrew and Jamie Foxx ? (Besides being in the movie, I'm talking about the hate in general)

 

[jye4ever]

Everything must be reported.

Feelings are not allowed to be hurt.

It is your duty citizen.

Report, report, report.

 

[thenammagazine]

What about people making fun of Actors or celebrities?

Like all the hate for Affleck? does that mean there could have been reports of comments in that thread? Or the hate for Andrew and Jamie Foxx ? (Besides being in the movie, I'm talking about the hate in general)

If you read a post about a movie that bunches your panties, even just a lil' bit, report it. That's the message being sent.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

It's not a matter of bashing a movie, it's a matter of bashing a movie around several fans of said movie with the intention of pissing them off.

 

[krec9]

Why don't the mods just close the thread till the movie comes out then lets the praise and complaining begin.

 

[thenammagazine]

It's not a matter of bashing a movie, it's a matter of bashing a movie around several fans of said movie with the intention of pissing them off.

When Jye said he thought ASM was garbage, he had zero intention of pissing anybody off. Yet it was treated as if he burned the US flag in the middle of a VFW on Veteran's Day.

 

[karamazov80]

After reading the last 20 pages of this thread I now know why people call us nerds.

Because nerds read 20 pages of a movie thread in one sitting?

What about people making fun of Actors or celebrities?

Like all the hate for Affleck? does that mean there could have been reports of comments in that thread? Or the hate for Andrew and Jamie Foxx ? (Besides being in the movie, I'm talking about the hate in general)

To me, it's no different than talking about a movie. I personally don't care if someone says Miller's Crossing (one of my favorite movies) is garbage. Or, if they say Gabriel Byrne (star of said movie) has the acting talent of. . .er, a piece of garbage. Some do, but I don't think they should, because if someone has such bad taste in film to think that, then that's their burden to deal with. Just my opinion, though Dave clearly said that you shouldn't just say something sucks.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

When Jye said he thought ASM was garbage, he had zero intention of pissing anybody off. Yet it was treated as if he burned the US flag in the middle of a VFW on Veteran's Day.

The fact that after a few people replied defensively to his comment, he posts "Sorry, it wasn't garbage. It was trash" kinda makes his intentions clear.

Plus it's definitely not the first time he, or a few other members have come in here and said crap like that, which almost always results in agitating someone. By this point you think they'd realize that what they're saying is not the right way to go about things. But the fact that they keep doing it leads me to believe that they want the defensive reaction from the fans. Ie, trolling.

I just don't see how hard it is to show a little respect and think before you post something. If you know what you're about to post is going to bother people, however little, why post it? I guess it's worth it for the "LOLZ" at least.

 

[crows]

I just don't see how hard it is to show a little respect and think before you post something. If you know what you're about to post is going to bother people, however little, why post it? I guess it's worth it for the "LOLZ" at least.

That could be anything. The Ben Affleck posts bothered me (let's say), Do i start reporting all of you guys? Or let's say I Loved Man of Steel, I actually liked it as a Dragon Ball Z movie, It is just hard to know where the limit is. Where do you draw the line?

 

[pturtle]

That could be anything. The Ben Affleck posts bothered me (let's say), Do i start reporting all of you guys? Or let's say I Loved Man of Steel, I actually liked it as a Dragon Ball Z movie, It is just hard to know where the limit is. Where do you draw the line?

Well, only calling him Hopeman, is a lot different from explaining what you did or did not like about the film. Yesterday I was in the Cap thread and I explained what I didn’t like about the 4 min trailer, people got a defensive but they knew I wasn’t trolling. If I went in there and was only calling him The Human Torch with a shield or something, then thats me obviously going in there to piss some fans off.

 

[karamazov80]

Just try to be reasonable. . .that's harder for some than others, I know, but in posting and reporting, this is a good litmus test. Is it a reasonable thing to do or say?

 

[thenammagazine]

The fact that after a few people replied defensively to his comment, he posts "Sorry, it wasn't garbage. It was trash" kinda makes his intentions clear.

Plus it's definitely not the first time he, or a few other members have come in here and said crap like that, which almost always results in agitating someone. By this point you think they'd realize that what they're saying is not the right way to go about things. But the fact that they keep doing it leads me to believe that they want the defensive reaction from the fans. Ie, trolling.

I just don't see how hard it is to show a little respect and think before you post something. If you know what you're about to post is going to bother people, however little, why post it? I guess it's worth it for the "LOLZ" at least.

This opinion is completely biased. I can just as easily argue that the 3 posts immediately following saying it wasn't garbage showed zero respect for Jye's opinion. Not a single one of those posts said, "I'm sorry you feel that way" or "you're entitled to your opinion." They just completely devalued how Jye feels about ASM. Again, bias aside, there's ZERO difference between saying "I love Spider-Man's costume," and "I hate Electro's design." It's just a misconceived bias and childish mindset that allows one to be acceptable while the other is not.