The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)

[a-dev]

Agreed 100%.

 

[Shawpaw]

Please let spidey join MCU.

 

[RIDDICK]

ASM 2 was the best of all the Spidey films because it was the one that got Spider-man the character right.

But it didn't. Either your logic is flawed as hell or your idea of the character is far from the general concept.

I don't think Spiderman deserves better than Garfield.
He was yards, miles, continents better than Maguire.

Because apples and oranges.
They were diferent characters in a diferent kinds of movies.
The comparison is stupid to begin with.
*and because Garfield sucks, of course*
**just kiddin**

Hopefully the next cinematic iteration of the character is better than what was given to audiences in the past 7 years.
Spider-Man deserves better.

Also, there was no diference between Parker and Spidey in these. That's one thing many fans complained about with Raimi films yet when both sides of the character became one jerky center of the universe no one has anything against it. Hypocrisy overload.

 

[Shawpaw]

I'm just tired of the whole love story angle. Sure it's present in the comics, but I also just want to see spidey be developed independently of boring Gwen/MJ crap.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Please let spidey join MCU.

But it didn't. Either your logic is flawed as hell or your idea of the character is far from the general concept.

There are different versions and characterisations of the character not just one

 

[karamazov80]

But it didn't. Either your logic is flawed as hell or your idea of the character is far from the general concept.

Only if you're focusing both on Parker and Spidey. I feel that Garfield's "Spider-Man" in part 2 really was the best we had seen of that character in any non-comic medium yet. Felt like the Spidey I always read about, going back to his earliest appearances in the '60s. But I did like Maguire better as Peter Parker, and agree with you that Parker and Spidey both having essentially the same personality was a problem, and made the movie less interesting. But then, some have claimed that's how he is in Ultimates Spider-Man (which I never read), so maybe there is a precedent in the comic. But it's a stupid precedent, if so.

If indeed the ASM series is over I think that vindicates the POV that the Raimi films were better. I know not all will agree with that but that's how I feel about it and how I see the majority feeling about it going forward. How many people thought that the Raimi films were good enough to make the ASM reboot completely unnecessary? Seemed like a lot. I did not see a huge amount of criticism for the first two Raimi films at the time, not like I have seen for the Webb movies. Granted I'm going on my own personal impression rather than exact figures that I have seen.

In fairness though, we've seen a crap load of comic book movies since the Raimi films came out. At the time, there wasn't much to base expectations on, so those movies may have seemed better than they would if compared to movies like Winter Soldier and Dark Knight. I do agree with you that the Raimi films were, on balance, better than the newer ones, but I also think it's a bit tricky to compare the critical consensus of the two considering the context in which they were released.

 

[a-dev]

Only if you're focusing both on Parker and Spidey. I feel that Garfield's "Spider-Man" in part 2 really was the best we had seen of that character in any non-comic medium yet. Felt like the Spidey I always read about, going back to his earliest appearances in the '60s. But I did like Maguire better as Peter Parker, and agree with you that Parker and Spidey both having essentially the same personality was a problem, and made the movie less interesting. But then, some have claimed that's how he is in Ultimates Spider-Man (which I never read), so maybe there is a precedent in the comic. But it's a stupid precedent, if so.



In fairness though, we've seen a crap load of comic book movies since the Raimi films came out. At the time, there wasn't much to base expectations on, so those movies may have seemed better than they would if compared to movies like Winter Soldier and Dark Knight. I do agree with you that the Raimi films were, on balance, better than the newer ones, but I also think it's a bit tricky to compare the critical consensus of the two considering the context in which they were released.

I dunno, I think Spiderman 2 at least holds up extremely well even post-TDK, post Winter Soldier.

 

[karamazov80]

I agree. But I still think it would have had more criticism had it come out now, and that the Amazing Spider-Man movies would have had less so if they came out a decade ago.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I agree. But I still think it would have had more criticism had it come out now, and that the Amazing Spider-Man movies would have had less so if they came out a decade ago.

Agreed. Spider-Man is one of many mainstream solo characters getting movies in the past he was pretty much the only one.

Plus the ASM series had a handicap right away with the comparison to the originals. Many people decided to hate them before they were even made simply because of loyalty to the previous movies.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

Honestly I liked 3 over 2.


Don't see how that compared to some of the all time.

 

[a-dev]

I agree. But I still think it would have had more criticism had it come out now, and that the Amazing Spider-Man movies would have had less so if they came out a decade ago.

Ah I get you.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

I found Garfield to be a much better Spider-Man than Tobey.

Neither was good as Peter. Tobey spent 3 films crying. And Garfield was just Spider-Man without the mask. These movies just need time to be developed and if Sony and Hollywood would stop allowing Orci and Kurtzman to write scripts that might improve the quality tenfold.

 

[DiFabio]

Peter has cried like a ***** in every single movie, Raimi's and Webb's.



EDIT:

Okay, before someone corrects me, maybe not Spider-Man 2. I can't remember.

 

[Sachiel]

Peter has cried like a ***** in every single movie, Raimi's and Webb's.



EDIT:

Okay, before someone corrects me, maybe not Spider-Man 2. I can't remember.

 

[DiFabio]

Ah, there we go. I forgot about that. Thanks Sachiel.

Okay, I stand by what I said. Peter has cried like a ***** in every single movie.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

That's actually pretty depressing.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I found Garfield to be a much better Spider-Man than Tobey.

Neither was good as Peter. Tobey spent 3 films crying. And Garfield was just Spider-Man without the mask. These movies just need time to be developed and if Sony and Hollywood would stop allowing Orci and Kurtzman to write scripts that might improve the quality tenfold.

There's not really a correct viewpoint on that subject. People just have a preferential opinions, they either like one over the other or both. There's never gonna be a definitive and universally preferred version

 

[JAWS]

You and me both brother.


I love ASM for a lot of reasons. AnoAnother thing is that Garfield loves Spidey. He had
A good idea of what he was doing. Maguire was more last minute cast and did an acting job. Garfield tried to bring Spidey to life. I alalso love Gwen over MJ so that's another huge plus.

Agreed

If indeed the ASM series is over I think that vindicates the POV that the Raimi films were better. I know not all will agree with that but that's how I feel about it and how I see the majority feeling about it going forward. How many people thought that the Raimi films were good enough to make the ASM reboot completely unnecessary? Seemed like a lot. I did not see a huge amount of criticism for the first two Raimi films at the time, not like I have seen for the Webb movies. Granted I'm going on my own personal impression rather than exact figures that I have seen.

But anyway, yeah Raimi's third film was a bit bloated and had some moments that forever tarnished Maguire's Peter Parker, but overall...better movies. I'd say ''I'm sorry'' but why should I be.

I still think Spidey 2 is very good... But 3 is awful and 1 is IMO a nostalgia trip at best... I said it earlier but I thought that the first hour was good when it was about peter.... But then he put on the sit and it all went down hill from there.

But it didn't. Either your logic is flawed as hell or your idea of the character is far from the general concept.

Also, there was no diference between Parker and Spidey in these. That's one thing many fans complained about with Raimi films yet when both sides of the character became one jerky center of the universe no one has anything against it. Hypocrisy overload.

Except that I am talking about Spidey himself... The way he moved and interacted... They got it right... He looked like he jumped out of the comics... TB as Spidey was a bit of a bore... (Except in 2) and a bit stiff...

All about opinions of course... I just find the Original films to be a bit overrated and that the new ones get a bit too much hate...

I would have liked to see were SR would have taken SM 4 and 5... ASM 1 was pointless as it feels too much like SM 1... I really enjoyed part 2 even if it was on a superficial level.

 

[JAWS]

I agree. But I still think it would have had more criticism had it come out now, and that the Amazing Spider-Man movies would have had less so if they came out a decade ago.

 

[ironwez20]

Avi arad said at the begining of the summer that joining the MCU would be a last resort........ weeeeeeellllllllllllllllll..... The only thing I hope they dont do is make spiderman like the ultimate spiderman in that dreadful cartoon. Make spiderman a hero who has a love/hate relationship with the public and usually works alone. Show how much the people hate him because the slander of the daily bugle.

And please dont pair him up with a with younger superheros