The Amazing Spider-Man - OPEN SPOILERS NOW

[OSCORP]

I enjoyed this film more than The Avengers. I'm not saying it was better per se but that I enjoyed it more. Spider-Man 3 was so horrible and Spider-Man 2 is so severely overrated that I didn't really enjoy a Spider-Man film since the first and even that was lukewarm. I loved Raimi's Spider-Man in look and feel despite missing the web shooters and the quips but I hated the Peter Parker and most of the alter-ego universe.

The Marvel Studios films were great (I even like The Incredible Hulk although I'm looking forward to Ruffalo's turn after Avengers 2 more) and it felt like one good film after another that The Avengers was almost expected to be awesome and was.

The Avengers was like a great meal where every course was as good or better than the last with a bit of a hiccup with Iron Man 2.

The Amazing Spider-Man was like having a lackluster meal and then getting an awesome last course that cleansed the pallet.

I don't care if the Raimi film and the Webb film are similar, I feel that Webb told the story better, Garfield was better, even if Stone played MJ instead of Gwen I thought that chemistry and portrayal was better. The only thing I was meh about was the final look of the Lizard (thought he was a bit too big in retrospect and a bit too overpowered) but not enough to sway me from saying this is to the Spider-Man universe what they got with Nolan after Batman and Robin, not that this film is parallel to that just that it cleared the mind of the past and brought on a great feel for the character and a lot of fun.

Thanks for putting into words what i am too lazy to do. Suck it haters!


/thwip

 

[ironwez20]

I cant wait to see what MJ will look like in the sequals. Hopfully shes the party girl type like in the comics either that or a hot nerdy chick but gwen has taken that spot

 

[Fernandofan08]

What ASM nailed for me is Peters parents and that back story. They were pivitol to Spiderman which Raimi's films never touched.

Wasnt a fan of the actor who played Uncle Ben, he just sempt abit weird first time round, but second time I saw it I really appreciated him more, much more than Raimi's Uncle ben because in ASM you saw Ben trying to be the honorable hero, the man he always brought Peter up to be. Thats why I think it hit alot harder; Peter wasnt able to buy a milkshake because he was 2 cents down, the guy robs the shop, throws him the milk and Peter things 'serves you right', that results in Ben getting killed. It had much more of an effect on Peter than Raimi's going wrestling to me.

What I also liked was the fact that Peter went off the rails of sorts; filled with rage he went and searched for every blonde shoulder length hair criminal possible. He channeled his upset into anger and it got him nowhere which is why I believe when Cap'n stacey died he was more resourceful because there was nothing he could do, he already stopped Lizard/Connors, did the right thing and someone still died.

Spiderman to me has always been about choices. Sometimes no matter what choice you make, the ones closest to you always get hurt. Pain is a huge thing with spiderman because no matter what choice he makes, it causes him pain. be it physical, or emotional. The best thing for everyone else is always the worst thing for him.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

The only thing i felt the Raimi films did better was the death of Uncle Ben being Peter's fault.

In that film the robber was shown to be a violent man, He pulls the gun on the wrestling promoter and then Pistol whips him. Peter lets this violent man who is likely to hurt people go free.
The actual murder of Uncle Ben isn't shown, and the knowledge that it was that guy Peter left free was revealed in a twist making it hit home that much more.

Where as in ASM, the guy just steals a handful of cash and then does the honourable thing so to speak of chucking Peter the Milk that the clerk stiffed him on. There was no real reason for Peter to stop him as he wasn't shown to be a dangerous guy likely to hurt someone.

The guy drops his gun in front of Uncle Ben and then they struggle and the gun goes off accidently, so the guy didn't Murder Uncle Ben he just accidently killed him.

So this petty criminal going on to kill someone and that being Peter's responsibility from letting him go wasn't a factor.

In the Raimi film the death of Uncle Ben with it partially being Peter's fault is his motivation to become Spider-Man. In ASM Peter's motivation to devoting his life to being Spider-Man comes when he realises that without his actions the kid on the bridge would've died.

This to me is the most different things from the Raimi film

 

[Fernandofan08]

The kid on the bridge gave him a reason to continue to be spiderman, but giving the milkshake wasnt honorable it was theft.

Peter got stiffed out of money and let the robber go. ASM peter got stiffed out of a drink and let the robber go. Difference to me is the use of Ben. Raimi wrapped it up too soon. ASM still has him out there. But what makes it is that Ben always tried to do good; even though peter had the power to make Flash pay for all his bullying, Ben maintained he shouldve took the high ground on the basis of vengeance. That bit peter in the ass when again he didnt use his power for good. he wouldve took that robber down but let him go, in revenge for two cents.

Thats what made it for me; it wasnt a car robbery or a couple of hundred dollars. 2 cents for revenge cost uncle ben his life, because again Peter refused honor for revenge

 

[ironwez20]

Im liking how they are using ucle bens killer for a possible villian in future movies. i wonder who he could be.

 

[Deckard]

Going to see this a 3rd time today.

Batman who?

 

[Fernandofan08]

Going to see this a 3rd time today.

Batman who?

lol. Seen it twice. Will buy it on Blu-ray for sure.

TDKR ill probably see twice. Maybe 3 times.

 

[CREG Customs]

The only thing i felt the Raimi films did better was the death of Uncle Ben being Peter's fault.

In that film the robber was shown to be a violent man, He pulls the gun on the wrestling promoter and then Pistol whips him. Peter lets this violent man who is likely to hurt people go free.
The actual murder of Uncle Ben isn't shown, and the knowledge that it was that guy Peter left free was revealed in a twist making it hit home that much more.

Where as in ASM, the guy just steals a handful of cash and then does the honourable thing so to speak of chucking Peter the Milk that the clerk stiffed him on. There was no real reason for Peter to stop him as he wasn't shown to be a dangerous guy likely to hurt someone.

The guy drops his gun in front of Uncle Ben and then they struggle and the gun goes off accidently, so the guy didn't Murder Uncle Ben he just accidently killed him.

So this petty criminal going on to kill someone and that being Peter's responsibility from letting him go wasn't a factor.

In the Raimi film the death of Uncle Ben with it partially being Peter's fault is his motivation to become Spider-Man. In ASM Peter's motivation to devoting his life to being Spider-Man comes when he realises that without his actions the kid on the bridge would've died.

This to me is the most different things from the Raimi film

You mean the part of Rami's films where Ben's death had NOTHING to do with Spider-Man?

You know - because - Oh, it wasn't the robber who gave you the motivation to be the hero that you are because you realized with great power comes great responsibility... No, It turns out it was Sandman pre-him being all sandy.

@$%@$ing Sandman?!?!?

... Spider-Man 3 is dead to me and now is all of Rami's trilogy (still love you though Doc Ock) Thanks for undermining the motivation of your whole story structure Rami.

 

[ironwez20]

He knew people wanted venom he freaking knew it. People have been looking for hints, asking/ begging even made fan trailers with venom in it. Venom was the most demanded villain in that franchise and when he was announced people went Nolan batfan crazy. I remember the hype on the Sony boards and shh. He could of made it work he didn't have to kill him off that was stupid.

 

[Nightwing]

He knew people wanted venom he freaking knew it. People have been looking for hints, asking/ begging even made fan trailers with venom in it. Venom was the most demanded villain in that franchise and when he was announced people went Nolan batfan crazy. I remember the hype on the Sony boards and shh. He could of made it work he didn't have to kill him off that was stupid.

I was one of the guys ultra excited for Venom being in the movie....and then.........

My question is, if he wasn't forced to include him, would Spider-Man 4 be about Venom, or would the symbiote have been done away with on part 3 anyway?

 

[Fernandofan08]

I was one of the guys ultra excited for Venom being in the movie....and then.........

My question is, if he wasn't forced to include him, would Spider-Man 4 be about Venom, or would the symbiote have been done away with on part 3 anyway?

Venom needs to be done over two films personally. I reckon ASM 2 should have eddie brock in it, but cockily being beat by peter at the bugle for pics of Spiderman (as set up with the newspaper asking for pictures of Spidey, and Peter hooking his camera up in the sewer to take snaps of the two fighting).

That way, we get the story of peter graduating, moving into the real world of freelance photography whilst balancing a relationship which is forbidden AND being spiderman AND being Peter Parker.

Im hoping Goblin is in the 2nd film too and the Venom suit is developed or created or whatever. The film has Peter going off the rails wanting to kill Uncle Bens murderer/Goblin, and then at the end, peter rejects the suit, and the emotionally beaten Eddie brock falls victim to the suit and harnesses his anger and hate of peter with the new knowledge that the suit gives him that he is spidey, so he has been taking pictures of himself, put brock out of work, and now he can stalk peter.

Could be a way of doing it. Doesnt have to have Goblin. But just a thought pattern.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

He knew people wanted venom he freaking knew it. People have been looking for hints, asking/ begging even made fan trailers with venom in it. Venom was the most demanded villain in that franchise and when he was announced people went Nolan batfan crazy. I remember the hype on the Sony boards and shh. He could of made it work he didn't have to kill him off that was stupid.

Apparently he hates Venom so if they never forced him he'd have never done him at all

You mean the part of Rami's films where Ben's death had NOTHING to do with Spider-Man?

You know - because - Oh, it wasn't the robber who gave you the motivation to be the hero that you are because you realized with great power comes great responsibility... No, It turns out it was Sandman pre-him being all sandy.

@$%@$ing Sandman?!?!?

... Spider-Man 3 is dead to me and now is all of Rami's trilogy (still love you though Doc Ock) Thanks for undermining the motivation of your whole story structure Rami.

Until we find out that Sandman accidentally killed Ben...Doh!

OMG i totally forget they retconned it that was a

 

[hunnipot85]

Finally saw this movie last week. I enjoyed it but I don't know if I would call it great. Wasn't really feeling the Lizard and the whole crane scene made me lol in the theater (particularly the moment when the dad looked at Spidey) lol

My favorite fight scene was the High School one though.

Nice to see Gwen not getting kidnapped too.

 

[Ziggie]

Just got back from second viewing.

Still great, apart from uncle Ben's death.

 

[The Mike]

Im liking how they are using ucle bens killer for a possible villian in future movies. i wonder who he could be.

I hope it stay a nobody. Raimi trying to tie Sandman back to Uncle Ben was the worst thing he did in the entire series.

He knew people wanted venom he freaking knew it. People have been looking for hints, asking/ begging even made fan trailers with venom in it. Venom was the most demanded villain in that franchise and when he was announced people went Nolan batfan crazy. I remember the hype on the Sony boards and shh. He could of made it work he didn't have to kill him off that was stupid.

Raimi NEVER wanted Venom, he said no over and over. Avi Arad (who ironically is still producing these) pushed for it and eventually got his way. Then Arad went on a small tour talking about how it was for the fans. You also have to remember that Spider-Man 3 was originally supposed to end the franchise so killing him wasn't a huge thing not to mention that Raimi killed off all the villains right down to Harry the frenemy so it was up to par.

My question is, if he wasn't forced to include him, would Spider-Man 4 be about Venom, or would the symbiote have been done away with on part 3 anyway?

When 4 was in preproduction the villain was to be The Vulture. Venom was never to be part of it and when Sony with dealing with the possible spin-off said it'd ignore SM3 completely.

Venom needs to be done over two films personally. I reckon ASM 2 should have eddie brock in it, but cockily being beat by peter at the bugle for pics of Spiderman (as set up with the newspaper asking for pictures of Spidey, and Peter hooking his camera up in the sewer to take snaps of the two fighting).

If Webb and company is smart they'll ignore Venom altogether. If not they'd leapfrog Brock and go straight to Flash, they've already established his Spider fandom, it'd be an interesting Jekyll and Hyde if the symbiote hated Spider-Man for rejecting it and Flash loved him and he was trying to maintain control. Cartoons have introduced the symbiote over and over without using The Secret Wars or even all the Spidey backstory and even the Ultimate Spider-Man arc where it was a creation of Richard Parker would tie back to Oscorp nicely.

My favorite fight scene was the High School one though.

That was the best fight scene. I almost wished that the kind of fighting done there occurred in Oscorp as the finale.

 

[IronManny]

Do most of the people who like this movie hate the character of Spider-Man?

This was terrible. What was up with the music? Piano banging horror chords when the handicap-drug-using-doctor-CGI-Gone-Bad thing was looking Gwen was crazy. That was not close to representing the Lizard from the comics. It looked liked the bad guys from that equally awful Mario Bros. movie.

Peter Parker is a nerd. Spider-Man is cool. Peter Parker also does not get girls so easily. Gwen is hot. Girls like Gwen date football-playing-bully-types, not the yearbook photographer. The police captain's daughter is looking for a rebel, not a kid that gets beat up. Doesn't he work for a newspaper? Can he at least work for the friggin school paper? The yearbook does not lead to journalism.

How convenient that his name was on the back of the camera. How lazy are these writers? What nonsense.

I cannot get over the praise you supposedly comic-lovers have put on this film. You are probably the same people who love Superman Returns. I hope everyone involved in this film has the same luck as the crew who made Poltergeist or the cast of Different Strokes. What a load of crap!

End rant! But I'm still mad this got made. This better be the one and only. This sucks so bad.

End rant now!

But seriously. This was just plain bad.

 

[IronManny]

p.s. The costume and web-slinging parts were cool.

Now let's get Tobey and Raimi and whoever did the swinging effects in here and make a real Spider-Man film!

 

[jye4ever]

Do most of the people who like this movie hate the character of Spider-Man?

This was terrible. What was up with the music? Piano banging horror chords when the handicap-drug-using-doctor-CGI-Gone-Bad thing was looking Gwen was crazy. That was not close to representing the Lizard from the comics. It looked liked the bad guys from that equally awful Mario Bros. movie.

Peter Parker is a nerd. Spider-Man is cool. Peter Parker also does not get girls so easily. Gwen is hot. Girls like Gwen date football-playing-bully-types, not the yearbook photographer. The police captain's daughter is looking for a rebel, not a kid that gets beat up. Doesn't he work for a newspaper? Can he at least work for the friggin school paper? The yearbook does not lead to journalism.

How convenient that his name was on the back of the camera. How lazy are these writers? What nonsense.

I cannot get over the praise you supposedly comic-lovers have put on this film. You are probably the same people who love Superman Returns. I hope everyone involved in this film has the same luck as the crew who made Poltergeist or the cast of Different Strokes. What a load of crap!

End rant! But I'm still mad this got made. This better be the one and only. This sucks so bad.

End rant now!

But seriously. This was just plain bad.

 

[jye4ever]

p.s. The costume and web-slinging parts were cool.

Now let's get Tobey and Raimi and whoever did the swinging effects in here and make a real Spider-Man film!