The Amazing Spider-Man - OPEN SPOILERS NOW

[thenammagazine]

I'm not surprised but I decided to use a $25 amazon giftcard to get the 3D set for just under 3 bucks.

No argument here. That's about what it's worth.

 

[K07]

Yes... Yes you would. Feelings and opinions on the quality of the movie aside, there is no escaping the fact that both Raimi's Spider-man and TASM are simply two movies based on the same source material. Yes there are similarities, because they are based on the same book. The same would apply if Raimi's movies came after Webb's TASM.

You're absolutely right that if Raimi's came after Webb's, I'd think it was a waste of my time because it tells the same story. My question remains, if they felt the need to throw out the last continuity and start over to correct all its supposed mistakes, why REMAKE the origin? Yes. It is a remake. Check out Celtic's list of similarities between them. There are superficial differences but nothing to make this feel worth sitting through again.

The lizard story could have been told with an established Spider-Man and been an original story. I probably wouldn't have been as bored with it then.

I don't know anything about Electro. I know they're casting against type and I'm usually against that... But sometimes it works out well. So I will reserve judgement until that comes out. Hopefully the rumors of retreading more of what Raimi addressed turn out to be bogus.

 

[karamazov80]

Not compared to the Raimi approach. Yeah Peter gets bit the same week he helps Connors correct the formula but at least Parker is the common denominator rather than an unrelated 1 in a trillion circumstance that happens independently of another 1 in a trillion circumstance in the same city in the same week.

The only way I think it is less ridiculous than the Raimi example (or umpteen other comic movie examples you could come up with) is if Connors become Lizard because he finds some of Spidey's blood and uses it as the basis for his own serum. But that isn't what happens. I don't think the Parker connection makes it any more feasible personally, unless you think there is some predestination at play that leads Spidey to create himself and to facilitate Connors transformation in the same week. Which is a parallel to the Raimi example. From a probabilistic standpoint, the fact that both are created due to completely independent processes (i.e., the radioactive Spider has nothing to do with the lizard formula), but both freaks have a more genuine connection to and knowledge of one another beforehand actually makes the occurrence less likely rather than more likely.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

The only way I think it is less ridiculous than the Raimi example (or umpteen other comic movie examples you could come up with) is if Connors become Lizard because he finds some of Spidey's blood and uses it as the basis for his own serum. But that isn't what happens. I don't think the Parker connection makes it any more feasible personally, unless you think there is some predestination at play that leads Spidey to create himself and to facilitate Connors transformation in the same week. Which is a parallel to the Raimi example. From a probabilistic standpoint, the fact that both are created due to completely independent processes (i.e., the radioactive Spider has nothing to do with the lizard formula), but both freaks have a more genuine connection to and knowledge of one another beforehand actually makes the occurrence less likely rather than more likely.

Villains tend to pop up because of the hero or at least independantly around the same time.

Oddly enough of most of the Superhero movies around, the Spider-Man villains origin are the most independent from the heroes, He had no hand in goblin, Ock or Sandman's creation but inadvertedly infected Brock with Venom and helped complete the formula for Connors.

Conversely

Red Skull was created by the same Super-Soldier Serum in the movie, Loki was Thors Jealous brother, Iron Monger stole starks Tech and Whiplash wanted vengeance, Abomination was created to go after Hulk, X-Men villains have independant origins and Doom was created because of Reeds miscalculations

They all had more part in creating the villains than Spider-Man, which i find ironic considering the Parker luck

 

[thenammagazine]

Villains tend to pop up because of the hero or at least independantly around the same time.

Oddly enough of all the Superhero movies around, the Spider-Man villains origin are the most independent from the heroes, He had no hand in goblin, Ock or Sandman's creation but inadvertedly infected Brock with Venom and helped complete the formula for Connors.

Conversely

Red Skull was created by the same Super-Soldier Serum in the movie, Loki was Thors Jealous brother, Iron Monger stole starks Tech and Whiplash wanted vengeance, Abomination was created to go after Hulk, X-Men villains have independant origins and Doom was created because of Reeds miscalculations

They all had more part in creating the villains than Spider-Man

uh... how did Thor create him? And you're wrong about Spider-Man's being the "most independant." You need to look past the underoos over your head, or at least have a gander through the pecker hole at the origins of other villains in the Marvel universe.

 

[Khev]

The only way I think it is less ridiculous than the Raimi example (or umpteen other comic movie examples you could come up with) is if Connors become Lizard because he finds some of Spidey's blood and uses it as the basis for his own serum. But that isn't what happens. I don't think the Parker connection makes it any more feasible personally, unless you think there is some predestination at play that leads Spidey to create himself and to facilitate Connors transformation in the same week. Which is a parallel to the Raimi example. From a probabilistic standpoint, the fact that both are created due to completely independent processes (i.e., the radioactive Spider has nothing to do with the lizard formula), but both freaks have a more genuine connection to and knowledge of one another beforehand actually makes the occurrence less likely rather than more likely.

Seriously though, "Parker snooping around" is what lead to the creation of both superpowered beings. Parker snooping around in the spider lab, Parker snooping around Connors' neighborhood which leads to their conversation about the formula, etc. Obviously as a superhero fan I can take a certain amount of flukiness and absurdity. But Raimi just pushed it too far IMO.

 

[Natrix]

Target has a neat 90min documentary on the remake.

It's only about 19 minutes and on DVD.

Target's "A Hero Will Rise": 18:54

Walmart's "Enter the Lizard": 20:26

 

[thenammagazine]

It's only about 19 minutes and on DVD.

Target's "A Hero Will Rise": 18:54

Walmart's "Enter the Lizard": 20:26

That's even lamer.

 

[KitFisto]

Not a bad idea. Get people to root for the Terminator for a change!

On that we can agree

 

[OSCORP]

Lizard was boring to me.

/dunno.

Have super high hopes for the sequel though.

 

[UltraMarknus]

You're absolutely right that if Raimi's came after Webb's, I'd think it was a waste of my time because it tells the same story. My question remains, if they felt the need to throw out the last continuity and start over to correct all its supposed mistakes, why REMAKE the origin? Yes. It is a remake. Check out Celtic's list of similarities between them. There are superficial differences but nothing to make this feel worth sitting through again.

The lizard story could have been told with an established Spider-Man and been an original story. I probably wouldn't have been as bored with it then.

I don't know anything about Electro. I know they're casting against type and I'm usually against that... But sometimes it works out well. So I will reserve judgement until that comes out. Hopefully the rumors of retreading more of what Raimi addressed turn out to be bogus.

The established hero idea works for us nerds but not people on the outside, looking in. Not the kids that are the big cash cows for these movies. They need to see a hero from the start. Believe that it could happen to a regular person like them...identify with a character. Nerds have to rely on animated straight to video movies for stories with established heroes. We obviously are not the money makers for the genre that we hold dear to our hearts and are never happy with, apparently.

 

[snoop101]

Lizard was boring to me.

/dunno.

Have super high hopes for the sequel though.

Yeah Im hoping the sequel will give us something "new" in terms of the story, unlike the first one. Has it been said who the villain was going to be?

 

[OSCORP]

Electro

...

 

[karamazov80]

Kraven would be better.

 

[Khev]

Kraven would be better.

Word. Him and Lizard are my two favorite Spidey villains.

 

[ironwez20]

Sadly I think lizard was boring aswell. He was cool and all but his motivations were so cliche.

 

[The Iron Koob]

I really want to like this movie but I can't.

I want to dissect the Uncle Ben death scene as an example of why I think they need to change the director or the writer or whoever let this movie continue the way it did.

So instead of having Peter be the direct cause (have Uncle Ben drop/pick him up over a lie; refusing to stop the robber; Peter actually has a real score to settle with the guy that gets robbed) we have Peter trying to buy...milk. He's without .02 cents and oh boy is this fat guy behind the counter so angry that he starts taunting Peter about his parents not giving him the few cents? Who does business like this? And that is supposed to be the reason Peter refuses to help the guy? Aunt May" If it's one thing you are its good." Oh really? Because he didn't help out the guy over two cents...and did he walk out of the store with the milk the robber threw at him?

So then the fat guy comes out screaming for help, and he asks Peter for help? The guy was already halfway down the street and he turns and asks Peter to do what exactly...?

So Uncle Ben grabs the guys gun and gets shot. This is because of Peter? I don't think so. In Raimi's version, Peter was so ashamed. He took everyone else for granted just for money to get a car for Mary Jane. He yelled at Uncle Ben right before, and he was the direct cause of Uncle Ben's death.

In this version, Peter says something vague about his dad and storms out. Then stuff happens, Uncle Ben is dead. Don't people see how lazy this is? They're literally cruising from point A to B the whole movie. We have to sit through all the fluff. In all honesty, Raimi's films rarely wasted time on the screen. It wasn't just Uncle Ben's death. It was the car, the argument, the match, the money, the robbery, etc. It was all connected. In Webb's version, everything is A to B. Visit Doc Connors to get bit by spider. Visit Doc Connors to give equation. Go to Gwen's house to reveal Spider-man. It's as if they start from B. Like this is where we need to go, so lets make it so he gets in trouble and storms out and Uncle Ben chases him and he gets killed and his death is supposed to be the big reveal but its just empty and you're left thinking like...well I guess that was a bunch of random stuff that happened...

Then they cast Jamie Foxx. Man, I think this series is doomed. One glimmer of hope, they changed the costume back. A costume which nothing was wrong with, and they "modernized" it. Was it really better? No, equal at best but he looked naked without the belt.

Why were there so many night scenes? He's not batman. I don't think Webb and Crew really know what they're doing. I know some people love that it's more than the comics, but the story sucks. And I'm sure a lot of the people that love this movie would have loved Raimi more if that one came out second. I for one would have been pleased if Raimi's version was the reboot. Even this soon.

Also, Garfield's headshaking and ground pointing is really obnoxious. He acts like Aziz Ansari in Parks & Rec except he's acting like a fool on purpose in that show.

 

[CelticPredator]

^ That post =

 

[The Iron Koob]

Alright watch this and tell me AG is not just a poor imitation of Aziz Ansari.
[ame]https://youtu.be/4WtnQT1YgkQ[/ame]
[ame]https://youtu.be/x-62Cdw4STY[/ame]

 

[CelticPredator]

Except Tom Havaford is a much more likable person.