Statue The Crack of Doom Diorama

[Seretur]

As to the "meaning" of the scene - kudos to PJ for making it accessible to a modern audience. If what Seretur said was really the author's intention (and we get in trouble assuming that) then it would ruin the scene for me.

Sorry, I didn't see your post -- we must've been typing at the same time -- otherwise I'd have addressed it. In fact, I did, if indirectly: there is a hefty volume of Tolkien's letters in which he expounds on the meaning of the scene in the Cracks of Doom in very great detail. Nothing of what I wrote were my personal conjectures, but rather hasty and compressed digests of what Tolkien himself said so much better. Add to that the background information from the History of Middle-earth making-of volumes, and there's all the evidence of the author's intent one can ever need.

But anyway. In a way, I'm happy for everyone that's perfectly happy with this piece. I was stoked for it, and ready to dive head-first into this entire line, but now... this has been a cold shower.

 

[Bannister]

I personally love this pose. It reminds me of when my 8 brothers and sisters and I would fight over the last slice of bread. Yep, yesterday was a day to remember....

Slice of bread? Don't you mean tortilla.

 

[DannieDarKo]

Honestly guys, what would Gandalf the White say if he saw you all fighting like this?!?! HUH!?!?! Gandalf the Grey would just smack each of you with his staff but not the White!

He'd be ashamed of each and every one of you!!!

 

[Bannister]

Honestly guys, what would Gandalf the White say if he saw you all fighting like this?!?! HUH!?!?! Gandalf the Grey would just smack each of you with his staff but not the White!

He'd be ashamed of each and every one of you!!!

 

[Seretur]

I personally love this pose. It reminds me of when my 8 brothers and sisters and I would fight over the last slice of bread. Yep, yesterday was a day to remember....

I can't wait for you and your siblings to start fighting over your Marvel Grails.

 

[RoboDad]

Nope no spin. Your post IMO was judging his faith by just assuming that because he didn't care he didn't get it. I'm not looking down on you just making a point.

Then your point was misplaced, and your opinion is incorrect. I am angry with Jackson for the disrespect he chose to show Professor Tolkien. I do not judge his (lack of) faith, however saddened by it I may be. But I can, and do judge how he misinterprets the beautiful expression of another man's faith, whether by design or ignorance, the result is the same.

 

[Eyelidsz]

That is the best Elijah likeness yet. I haven't made a LOTR purchase in two years, but that may change when this comes out. It just depends on the price now.

 

[DannieDarKo]

I can't wait for you and your siblings to start fighting over your Marvel Grails.

 

[The Josh]

Honestly guys, what would Gandalf the White say if he saw you all fighting like this?!?! HUH!?!?! Gandalf the Grey would just smack each of you with his staff but not the White!

He'd be ashamed of each and every one of you!!!

Damn skippy

 

[The Josh]

Then your point was misplaced, and your opinion is incorrect. I am angry with Jackson for the disrespect he chose to show Professor Tolkien. I do not judge his (lack of) faith, however saddened by it I may be. But I can, and do judge how he misinterprets the beautiful expression of another man's faith, whether by design or ignorance, the result is the same.

I don't think it was but sorry that you missed it. As far as my opinion being incorrect. Well by saying your saddened by it is judging him. He changed it for the mass media as Dave said above it would ruin the scene for him. I could see where it would do that for a lot of people if told the truth behind the scene.

 

[Mookeylama]

would someone explain all these differences in the scene that everyone's arguing about?

 

[Trevolver]

Glad you guys like the Elijah Wood likeness!

I just hope Jared Leto doesn't come into the statue and start choking Frodo. hell, Gollum might need to watch out too.

interesting debate going on, guys.
Trev

 

[Andy Bergholtz]

BEST.FRODO.EVER.

Trevor, you are a God among sculptresses. A GOD. (and I'm a very religious guy, so it takes a lot for me to blaspheme! ).

Just wait till you guys see this thing in all it's glory.... Freakin' beautiful. And don't take for granted the teeny scale of these figures.... That is VERY, VERY, VERY difficult stuff to pull off. Just imagine what Trev could do with a 1/6 or 1/4 version.

Gollum looks like a photo from the movie.... SICK!!!! You inspire me and depress me to no end. Sick, sick, sick. Now put my name in your book for one of your samples.

 

[Bannister]

BEST.FRODO.EVER.

Trevor, you are a God among sculptresses. A GOD. (and I'm a very religious guy, so it takes a lot for me to blaspheme! ).

Just wait till you guys see this thing in all it's glory.... Freakin' beautiful. And don't take for granted the teeny scale of these figures.... That is VERY, VERY, very difficult stuff to pull off. Just imagine what Trev could do with a 1/6 or 1/4 version.

Gollum looks like a photo from the movie.... SICK!!!! You inspire me and depress me to no end. Sick, sick, sick. Now put my name in your book for one of you samples.

So I take it that this piece is in 1/9th then. I hoped it would be bigger since it just features Hobbits. The likeness is even more impressive knowing how small it is though.

 

[LOTRFan]

Well I certainly can remember how I felt my first viewing of ROTK and of course compairing that with the books (that I had freshly read again), I have always been able to keep the two separate. I understand that certain literary moments are not thought well to translate to film. I have my gripes, I don't by any means accept joyfully the changes that were made. This however seems like a wonderful piece for those who were impacted by the films. I suspect that the great many collectors, and honestly SS's main audience are film fans first. Of course a percentage have read the books, and even loved them. I would wager though that a good many prefer the films, or even dare I say skimmed the books -- or even yet saw Elijah Wood everytime Frodo was/is mentioned.

The sculpting is amazing, Trevolver you have outdone yourself, I can't wait to see the whole thing.

To those who are the purists, I am somewhat perplexed that you are so upset by this piece and not the many that have come before, that may be said to have equal inaccuracies. I suppose because these are moments, with two characters, you have a harder time?

Do we not get the Arwen bust, because after all she never wore that nor had that moment in the books. Do we pass on the Galadhrim Archer, because well there wasn't a Second-To-Last Alliance? I guess some collectors become more discriminating at moments, where others have been able to go on a while back.


Of course I mean no disrespect, and am glad to see more LOTR being produced.

 

[The Josh]

Well I certainly can remember how I felt my first viewing of ROTK and of course compairing that with the books (that I had freshly read again), I have always been able to keep the two separate. I understand that certain literary moments are not thought well to translate to film. I have my gripes, I don't by any means accept joyfully the changes that were made. This however seems like a wonderful piece for those who were impacted by the films. I suspect that the great many collectors, and honestly SS's main audience are film fans first. Of course a percentage have read the books, and even loved them. I would wager though that a good many prefer the films, or even dare I say skimmed the books -- or even yet saw Elijah Wood everytime Frodo was/is mentioned.

The sculpting is amazing, Trevolver you have outdone yourself, I can't wait to see the whole thing.

To those who are the purists, I am somewhat perplexed that you are so upset by this piece and not the many that have come before, that may be said to have equal inaccuracies. I suppose because these are moments, with two characters, you have a harder time?

Do we not get the Arwen bust, because after all she never wore that nor had that moment in the books. Do we pass on the Galadhrim Archer, because well there wasn't a Second-To-Last Alliance? I guess some collectors become more discriminating at moments, where others have been able to go on a while back.


Of course I mean no disrespect, and am glad to see more LOTR being produced.

Outstanding Matt! Exceptionally well put my friend. You're a smarter man than I.

 

[Bannister]

I just don't think Gollum's book death would have played out too well on screen. I mean he gets the ring back and basically gets excited and falls off the ledge. I can guarantee you most audiences would have been laughing when they shouldn't have, had this happened in the movie.

 

[tomandshell]

While that may be how the scene is portrayed in the movie, that isn't what was intended in the book, at all.

That's actually interesting to me, because I was not describing the film, but rather the book. What is your interpretation of Tolkien's meaning of Frodo's actions at the Crack of Doom? Do you see him as heroic/acting for good, or overpowered by evil? I would be interested in hearing your interpretation of the scene in the book and how or what it reflects about Tolkien's beliefs. I am being earnest and sincere, not sarcastic. I would like to see some more healthy discussion in this thread.

From the book:

"The light sprang up again, and there on the brink of the chasm, at the very Crack of Doom, stood Frodo, black against the glare, tense, erect, but still as if he had been turned to stone.

'Master!' cried Sam.

Then Frodo stirred and spoke with a clear voice, indeed with a voice clearer and more powerful than Sam had even heard him use, and it rose above the throb and turmoil of Mount Doom, ringing in the roof and walls.

'I have come,' he said. 'But I do not choose now to do what I came to do. I will not do this deed. The Ring is mine!' And suddenly, as he set it on his finger, he vanished from Sam's sight."

 

[King Darkness]

Slice of bread? Don't you mean tortilla.

Now thats funny!!!!!

 

[Lembas Eater]

I know what Robodad and Seretur are saying and I respect them but long ago I myself have had to reconcile the fact that the movies just are not going to be the book. Do I wish that they had filmed that scene exactly as it is in the book? Hell yeah!

But we have to remember the pressures of a major studio release and the weight of such an adaptation. Remember these films could have been made by people that didn't care enough to even get characters names right or the cultures, etc. Remember that New LIne wanted them to kill one of the "spare" hobbits. We could have had that. We would have had to throw rotten fruit at the screen.

So back to this scene, from the movie. Thats how I have to look at it, not "that scene they screwed up from the book" but "the scene from the movie". Again, I can understand if someone doesn't want that, but till someone makes a statue of Gollum dancing at the edge and with Sam and the bitten Frodo off to the side, I'll take this one! And if you do not, I understand and respect your opinions anyway.


Of course, by the time this posted, LOTRFan has said alot of the same things.

Tom also brings up a great point that yes, though Frodo does not continue to fight after Gollum bites the ring from his hand, that does not change the fact (in the book or the movie) that FRODO FAILS. That he does truly give in to the ring. I think the Diorama still shows that.

And lastly, Thank You Trevor for a fantastic sculpt!!)