The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[Deckard]

- Blake has the will and the drive, just as Bruce did
Then why couldn't he and Gordon stop the bomb on their own?

- Bruce's fortune was lost due to bogus trades, even within the film Fox says with time they may be able to prove fraud (would be a open and shut case) and get his money back
Get who's money back? Bruce is dead... he cannot testify to anything. No one could prove anything about the fingerprints being stolen.

- The money would go to Alfred
Even if it somehow did get reversed that money was not in the will to be left to him.

- Who said Blake doesn't have Alfred? For me, Alfred would continue to live at Wayne Manor with the Orphans and would play a father figure role for Blake
He wouldn't help Bruce anymore, why would he help a stranger.

- Who said Blake doesn't have Fox? @ Deckard - he has to will but he didn't have the equipment, now he will.
Fox the guy that built the nuke that almost destroyed the city? Fox the guy running a bankrupt company likely to be bought out and let go? What equipment? The Tumblers were destoryed, the Bat is destroyed, and theres no money to make more

Also
- Batman is not gone, there is a new Batman in town
The statue in city hall?

- Prisoners will be rounded up by the police and Batman 2.0
Identified how? They can blend in with all the other new homeless who were thrown out of their buildings and lost all their money and possessions, theres likely to be a mass exodus from the city, if I was held hostage in philly for 6 months the first thing I'd do is leave and get a room somewhere else where I could sleep in a bed with hot food etc.

- Harvey Dent Act is no longer needed (that's the whole point of the film ), because now citizens have real hope based on a real heroic act, not the lie of Dent's death.
And on top of that now the thousands locked up under BS Dent act are all by US Law guarenteed a retrial, most of them were only arrested in the first place because of the BS ammendmants the act put in place that will no longer exist meaning they will mostly all go free.

I'm really not trying to be a ****, its a fun Batman summer movie, but if you think about it at all logically, it just can't hold up.

 

[Khev]

All Nolan's Batman did was drive Gotham, and probably the US completely into the gutter since Gotham is heralded as one of the US's econimic capitals. It's kinda like us going into Iraq, killing Saddam and leaving them with a pile of **** to deal with.

Become Batman, dethrone mafia boss, cause mob war.

Ra's returns for revenge on Bruce, burns down father's mansion, completely destroys Narrows making thousands of poor people and police phsycotic and freeing all the crazies from Arkham. Arkham never reopens from it.

Joker shows up terrorizing the city, burns millions and millions the city wanted to confinscate and use itself, kills his girlfriend and makes him quit.

Talia comes back for revenge on Bruce, almost nukes the city, destroys his company and legacy, destroy's infrastructure and financial sector completely for a year which would affect the world's economy severely, destroys his relationship with everyone he loves including Alfred (he doesn't love Selina in the movie at all, he loves Miranda but settles for Selina when Miranda dies, What?), desroy's the city's trust in elected officals, destorys the prison and Bruce quits with more criminals then ever still free(thousands) allowing a cop with zero ninja training who couldn't take on 4-5 mercs on his own to fend for himself. And before anyone gives me the will is everything bs line about Blake, he already had the will to stop the nuke and couldn't do it without Batman so what suddenly changed?

Forget the Joker, forget Bane, Batman is far and away Gotham's most damaging villain.

Yep. You figured out the underlying "message" of the trilogy, that Batman is evil and is carrying out his plan to destroy Gotham and then the world. Good job.

 

[crows]

yeah I don't see how in Any way Blake can be the new batman,
he might have a suit, and maybe even the Batpod

but then that's it, he doesn't really have the resources or the help he needs, just the suit and the couple of gadgets Bruce left him,

I have to say that is a pretty stupid ending, Leave Blake the same stuff that almost got Bruce killed, and that killed and destroyed everything around him,

I mean, Bruce was sulking for 8 years, 8 years, 8 years of not talking to anyone buy Alfred, just because of being Batman,

Giving that Stuff to Blake is almost like a Curse, like passing a Curse to someone else,

 

[Deckard]

Yep. You figured out the underlying "message" of the trilogy, that Batman is evil and is carrying out his plan to destroy Gotham and then the world. Good job.

Your obviously joking but what's even funnier is your more right then you want to admit. Nolan's real message is that being Batman cost Bruce everything, his love, his friends, his butler, his company, his home, his possessions, his city, his citizenship, his legacy which he can never aknowlege. And for what? To stop villains that wouldn't have been there if not for him becoming Batman. And if he hadn't? There would still be the mafia. That's it.

 

[Khev]

Your obviously joking but what's even funnier is your more right then you want to admit. Nolan's real message is that being Batman cost Bruce everything, his love, his friends, his butler, his company, his home, his possessions, his city, his citizenship, his legacy which he can never aknowlege. And for what? To stop villains that wouldn't have been there if not for him becoming Batman. And if he hadn't? There would still be the mafia. That's it.

You might want to watch Batman Begins again.

 

[crows]

the only thing Batman was good for was stopping the League of Shadows from destroying the City,

but then by doing that he brought up the Joker from hiding,

seriously if Being Batman is such a horrible thing to be, so horrible that it will literally destroy your entire life,

why Give that to Blake? so that it can destroy his life too?
the point of Alfred talking to Bruce, asking him to quit ,losing Rachel, losing everything, Nolan was pretty much saying Batman should have never happened in Bruce life, it destroyed him
so Now Lets give the suit to this nice city cop kid, so that it can destroy him too?

it is funny how Bruce started batman to get all the criminals, yet by the end of Rises the opposite happened, every single criminal was free,
seriously he really didn't change anything, if you think about it

 

[wofford29]

I'm really not trying to be a ****, its a fun Batman summer movie, but if you think about it at all logically, it just can't hold up.

If you think about it logically the discussion should end with it's a MOVIE. If you get past that it should crash with it's based on a COMIC.

 

[Khev]

seriously if Being Batman is such a horrible thing to be, so horrible that it will literally destroy your entire life,

I love it when people use the word "literally" figuratively.

Last time I checked "living happily ever after" was not synonymous with having your entire life destroyed.

 

[crows]

I love it when people use the word "literally" figuratively.

Last time I checked "living happily ever after" was not synonymous with having your entire life destroyed.

well, his former life WAS Destroyed, yes, yes it was, his body was pretty hurt too, even if he is happy with Selina, you cannot say he is not badly hurt,
that was the whole point of the movie, the 8 year gap, the Knee brace, the visit to the doctor, losing his fortune, etc.....

his family Legacy and his family's company gone,

What i am saying still stands, the very same thing that destroyed him is the thing he gives to Blake,
that would make a good "********* batman" Meme

you said it yourself, "living happily ever after", why was he happy at the end, because he could quit being the Batman and he found somebody,
being Batman was like a Curse for him, it appears, he was happy because he was able to let it go,

so while Bruce Wayne disappears, let's give the same thing that brought him misery to the nicest Cop in Gotham, the nicest most honest person, yeah, lets ruin that guy's life as well

 

[IrishJedi]

If you think about it logically the discussion should end with it's a MOVIE. If you get past that it should crash with it's based on a COMIC.

Try telling that to the Nolanologists who see the face of God in this stuff.

 

[Khev]

well, his former life WAS Destroyed, yes, yes it was, his body was pretty hurt too, even if he is happy with Selina, you cannot say he is not badly hurt,
that was the whole point of the movie, the 8 year gap, the Knee brace, the visit to the doctor, losing his fortune, etc.....

his family Legacy and his family's company gone,

What i am saying still stands, the very same thing that destroyed him is the thing he gives to Blake,
that would make a good "********* batman" Meme

you said it yourself, "living happily ever after", why was he happy at the end, because he could quit being the Batman and he found somebody,
being Batman was like a Curse for him, it appears, he was happy because he was able to let it go,

so while Bruce Wayne disappears, let's give the same thing that brought him misery to the nicest Cop in Gotham, the nicest most honest person, yeah, lets ruin that guy's life as well

So your point is that war is hell and it's all Batman's fault? Heroes take risks and make sacrifices. Look at all the cops who "literally" died. Is Gordon a ********* if recruits more? Is the government a ********* for recruiting more CIA agents?

 

[The Josh]

Try telling that to the Nolanologists who see the face of God in this stuff.

So it's like the faces on toast or fruity pebbles?

 

[crows]

So your point is that war is hell and it's all Batman's fault? Heroes take risks and make sacrifices. Look at all the cops who "literally" died. Is Gordon a ********* if recruits more? Is the government a ********* for recruiting more CIA agents?

that is so completely not the point, starting off that those people do not work alone, like Batman does, they have teams, Partners, and they can use GUNS against people......

the only reason Bruce could get away with it was because he was rich, he had Ninja training he had gadgets and vehicles, and he had allies, Blake has none of that,

I'm just pointing out how stupid and ridiculous the ending with Blake really is,
I know at first everyone was like WOW OMG Blake will be the new Batman.

but there is no way he really could,
and like I said, that is a douche move from Bruce to leave him with his curse, the Bat curse,
seriously we just spend 2 movies watching Bruce suffer because of being batman, suffer the loss of the woman he loved, suffer seeing Harvey fall, having to accidentally Kill Harvey, watching the Joker kill all those cops, having his house burn down by Ras,

why do you think Bruce was hiding for 8 years, seriously, and he barely made it out alive in Rises, he was lucky Bane didn't just kill him right away, or died in the prison

now all of the sudden he leaves Blake the Curse? because that's the right name for it, the Bat Curse

 

[bumblebee]

Good lord talk about over analyzing people, get out and get laid or something. It was a movie, good grief!

 

[crows]

Good lord talk about over analyzing people, get out and get laid or something. It was a movie, good grief!

it just occurred to me, I was thinking about the movie because of an article about how Joseph Gordon-Levitt is talking about how the ending doesn't mean another movie with his is coming
he was saying how this is the perfect end,

that made me realize how stupid the ending with Blake was,

 

[devilof76]

Rachel would have been dead in the first movie had Bruce not been Batman. The League intended to destroy Gotham before Bruce showed up in the prison. Scarecrow was an extension of that. The Joker was inspired by his actions, but hardly caused by his actions. (And, how many people did he kill that weren't criminals? Rachel and that one Bat imposter? Rachel and Dent were casualties of dirty cops, not Bruce.)

So, opposing evil brings him pain. The fact that he suffered through it allowed him to be there to prevent the League's second attempt. Gotham survives, with their faith restored. He's able to walk away from his achievement happy.

...what was the problem again?

 

[crows]

Rachel would have been dead in the first movie had Bruce not been Batman. The League intended to destroy Gotham before Bruce showed up in the prison. Scarecrow was an extension of that. The Joker was inspired by his actions, but hardly caused by his actions. (And, how many people did he kill that weren't criminals? Rachel and that one Bat imposter? Rachel and Dent were casualties of dirty cops, not Bruce.)

So, opposing evil brings him pain. The fact that he suffered through it allowed him to be there to prevent the League's second attempt. Gotham survives, with their faith restored. He's able to walk away from his achievement happy.

...what was the problem again?

the problem is leaving the suit to Blake who is not ready to be Batman,

and how every single criminal in Gotham was free,

I already said it, Batman did stop the League of Shadows in the first one, that was about the only good thing he did

 

[IrishJedi]

Rachel would have been dead in the first movie had Bruce not been Batman.

That would have been a win, though.

 

[wofford29]

Did he leave a deadline to Blake that said you must hit the streets by this date?

 

[crows]

Did he leave a deadline to Blake that said you must hit the streets by this date?

it is implied

Bruce Wayne is such a douche,
making Alfred believe he was dead, plus Alfred is old, that kind of sadness and stress is no good,
could have gotten sick from grief,
what a douche, Bat-douche, poor Alfred....