The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[intothevoid]

you raise really really good points,

but there is one thing you didn't,
being Batman was not a good thing for Bruce, it nearly killed him, it destroyed his body, broke him mentally,

now he is giving this Bat curse to the nicest person in Gotham?
he is giving this Life ending problem to the most honest person in Gotham?

OF course you could say, since Blake is so honest and good, he is the perfect batman,
but the thing is, even thought Batman created hope, it was created almost at the cost of his life, if Bruce didn't fix the Auto pilot, he Would have Died actually, just like he would have died when Ras burned his house down, or in the prison,
or when Joker was after him,
Bruce actually came close to death a lot, and since this is the realistic Nolan batman, those close encounters had repercussions,

so being batman in this universe is a death sentence waiting to happen, you either quit when things are calm or you die a hero,
that was pretty much the message, either you are Batman when is definitely needed, when the city is about to be destroyed or blown up, and nothing more, or you do it every night and risk dying,

is like, Blake should be Batman when chaos begins, but he should not go after criminals every night, should be a once a year type thing, if Blake wants to survive being the Batman,

Well you're right, yes, being Batman nearly killed Bruce Wayne, but he found a way to get out just in time, and pass the mantle.
Being Batman is not going to be healthy or easy for Blake, or for anyone who does it in the future. That's why only a select few could ever be Batman, they need certain qualities to be able to survive the toll it will take.

Batman can be anyone, but anyone can't be Batman.

What that means is, not everyone has the physical and mental capability to be Batman, but who Batman is does not matter, he is a symbol. Doesn't matter if Bruce, Blake or someone else is under the mask.

 

[crows]

Well you're right, yes, being Batman nearly killed Bruce Wayne, but he found a way to get out just in time, and pass the mantle.
Being Batman is not going to be healthy or easy for Blake, or for anyone who does it in the future. That's why only a select few could ever be Batman, they need certain qualities to be able to survive the toll it will take.

Batman can be anyone, but anyone can't be Batman.

What that means is, not everyone has the physical and mental capability to be Batman, but who Batman is does not matter, he is a symbol. Doesn't matter if Bruce, Blake or someone else is under the mask.

yeah I understand what you mean by that, I get what you're saying,

it still seems to me like Being batman is a Curse on whoever it falls on, something that will ruin their lives, and the lives of those they care about,

 

[intothevoid]

yeah I understand what you mean by that, I get what you're saying,

it still seems to me like Being batman is a Curse on whoever it falls on, something that will ruin their lives, and the lives of those they care about,

Well, it IS a curse, there's nothing happy about being Batman. There's a reason he's called the Dark Knight. He's a tragic hero. And yeah, perhaps it's moreso in this interpretation than some others.

 

[Jen]

It seemed to me that Blake was ready to move on and do something different. I think he admired Wayne/Batman and realized that he may be able to do a lot more good not being a cop and going a similar route as Batman. Obviously, Wayne realized this too and gave him the coordinates to the Batcave.

Yes, being Batman definitely takes it toll on a person....but if someone is willing to accept this challenge - like it seems Blake is, I can hardly blame Wayne for it. He is giving Blake the tools to be bigger than just a cop - if HE chooses to do so.

 

[thenammagazine]

yeah I understand what you mean by that, I get what you're saying,

it still seems to me like Being batman is a Curse on whoever it falls on, something that will ruin their lives, and the lives of those they care about,

I'm not so sure. Bruce really didn't have a good handle on it, nor a mentor (He had Ducard, but it's not the same). Blake gets to jump in the ride while the seat's still warm.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Personally, I would love to be Batman.

 

[Khev]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this brought up by a nitpicker (Maybe this thread should be renamed "The Dark Nitpickers Rise" ) but when Batman beat up the goons and then Blake said "you missed a spot" Bruce followed up with possibly the girliest kick I've ever seen performed by a superhero.

 

[thenammagazine]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this brought up by a nitpicker (Maybe this thread should be renamed "The Dark Nitpickers Rise" ) but when Batman beat up the goons and then Blake said "you missed a spot" Bruce followed up with possibly the girliest kick I've ever seen performed by a superhero.

Rubber chaffs.

 

[IrishJedi]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this brought up by a nitpicker (Maybe this thread should be renamed "The Dark Nitpickers Rise" )

 

[IrishJedi]

With this kind of thiking no superhero film holds up.

That's very true. But the difference is that Nolan wants the viewer to think about these films. They're supposed to be smarter. To an extent, they are... but they also fall apart in some areas. They're not perfection.

And it's always easier to forgive the movies that aren't taking themselves as seriously.

 

[Alex Logan]

That's very true. But the difference is that Nolan wants the viewer to think about these films. They're supposed to be smarter. To an extent, they are... but they also fall apart in some areas. They're not perfection.

And it's always easier to forgive the movies that aren't taking themselves as seriously.

True, they are not perfect, but what is? I think they are pretty damn great!

 

[ZaCHw117]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this brought up by a nitpicker (Maybe this thread should be renamed "The Dark Nitpickers Rise" ) but when Batman beat up the goons and then Blake said "you missed a spot" Bruce followed up with possibly the girliest kick I've ever seen performed by a superhero.

https://i226.photobucket.com/albums...s and Gifs/tumblr_m6z3nkPY5s1rafdyro1_500.gif

 

[Darth Cruel]

Was making plans to see this movie tonight. As I was looking for showtimes, I discovered that The Avengers is still playing near here in Mesa!




HELL YES! Ima see The Avengers agian tonight!

 

[Sachiel]

The Avengers? That movie based off the British TV Show? Well... to each their own.

 

[Khev]

And it's always easier to forgive the movies that aren't taking themselves as seriously.

Bah. A movie that doesn't even try to be serious just so it has an easier time rationalizing that the audience is laughing "with" them gets no extra points with me (though a more straight up fantasy like Avengers or SW is certainly top shelf entertainment when done right of course.) It takes balls to take most of Batman's fantasy elements and play them "straight" as if it were any other crime/action drama.

If you think that Nolan's approach demands extra scrutiny then why not just write the series off at the notion of a guy having any success dressing as a bat, kicking criminal ass, and eluding cops while jumping rooftops on his hybrid lamborghini/humvee? Why even bother nitpicking minutiae over how quickly his power was shut off when after his bankruptcy was widely publicized when the very premise of the series itself is so fundamentally absurd from a realistic standpoint?

 

[Fernandofan08]

Clearly the Nolan films make you depressed and irritable. Maybe you should never watch them again?



With this kind of thinking no superhero film holds up.

Dont be ridiculous. Ofcourse a guy ina flying suit, a God of thunder which flies, a super soldier with a shield and a man who transforms into an angry green beast is logical!

 

[thenammagazine]

Bah. A movie that doesn't even try to be serious just so it has an easier time rationalizing that the audience is laughing "with" them gets no extra points with me (though a more straight up fantasy like Avengers or SW is certainly top shelf entertainment when done right of course.) It takes balls to take most of Batman's fantasy elements and play them "straight" as if it were any other crime/action drama.

If you think that Nolan's approach demands extra scrutiny then why not just write the series off at the notion of a guy having any success dressing as a bat, kicking criminal ass, and eluding cops while jumping rooftops on his hybrid lamborghini/humvee? Why even bother nitpicking minutiae over how quickly his power was shut off when after his bankruptcy was widely publicized when the very premise of the series itself is so fundamentally absurd from a realistic standpoint?

Or a lack of imagination and/or a fear of developing the fantastical.

 

[CelticPredator]

That's very true. But the difference is that Nolan wants the viewer to think about these films. They're supposed to be smarter. To an extent, they are... but they also fall apart in some areas. They're not perfection.

And it's always easier to forgive the movies that aren't taking themselves as seriously.

I don't know about that. Just because his other films forced you to use your brain, doesn't mean his Batflicks did.

They're not dumb, but outside of mystery solving, I never used my noggin.

Just never came across as that type of film. Nolan wanted to give you a mature good time. Not really aimed at kids, but not really super serious.

 

[thenammagazine]

Of course this would come from you.

Move along, troll. That was meant for Khev, not the ridiculous fanboy soooooo compelled to defend this film that he takes posts here to other forums and ridicules them there only to have people appreciate them.

 

[Khev]

Or a lack of imagination and/or a fear of developing the fantastical.

I wouldn't call a more realistic (for lack of a better word) approach to the superhero genre as lacking imagination. Quite the contrary. We've had many fanastical takes on the genre but I can't think of any movie aside from Unbreakable that tried to play it straight prior to BB.