"Don't care. Busy tapping Cathaway ass in Europe and making Alfred cry again."
The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*
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"Don't care. Busy tapping Cathaway ass in Europe and making Alfred cry again."
it is implied
Bruce Wayne is such a douche,
making Alfred believe he was dead, plus Alfred is old, that kind of sadness and stress is no good,
could have gotten sick from grief,
what a douche, Bat-douche, poor Alfred....
I didn't see it implied. For all you know he spends years training himself before hitting the streets. Giving him coordinates to the cave is only giving him coordinates to the cave.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
In BB when Ducard/Ras tells BW at the camp fire that he "wasn't always in the mountains", I pictured him living in a city with his family.
Turns out in TDKR that he was a mercenary living in the desert.
Turns out in TDKR that he was a mercenary living in the desert.
So the shiny new Bat Signal he put up for Gordon is just meant to sit and rust out in the meantime? Gordon's not even gonna try and turn it on when needed?
Blake knew what he was getting into. Gordon pleaded with him to stay on the force but he refused. That isn't Bruce's fault.
Bruce was a lost shell of a man. Becoming Batman gave him a clear focus, saved millions of lives, and allowed him to finally have peace and be happy.
Blake witnessed the upside and downside to being a cop and to being Batman and decided the superhero path was the one for him. What's the problem again?
Bruce was a lost shell of a man. Becoming Batman gave him a clear focus, saved millions of lives, and allowed him to finally have peace and be happy.
Blake witnessed the upside and downside to being a cop and to being Batman and decided the superhero path was the one for him. What's the problem again?
In BB when Ducard/Ras tells BW at the camp fire that he "wasn't always in the mountains", I pictured him living in a city with his family.
Turns out in TDKR that he was a mercenary living in the desert with some mountains.
O My God you are right!!! I Also Imagine that when he said it lol
You mean kinda like them using it as a deterrent whether Batman was out there or not in TDK?
Okay, but how long is that "deterrent" gonna work when Batman never shows up at all? Especially since all of Gotham now assumes he's dead. And Gordon is just gonna continue to light it up for weeks/months/years and waiting patiently until Batman 2.0 magically shows up one night?
that Nolan's Batman should have ended with Begins, after he saved the city from the League of Shadows he should have retired,
that was the whole point or Rises, that he kept being Batman for too long and it destroyed him,
Dark Knight was amazing movie, Rises was good, Bane was great,
but if you think about Nolan's message, the best thing for Bruce would have quit in Begins, he would have married Rachel, he would have used his money and his company to make Gotham a better city, like his father tried,
instead of putting on a costume why not just continue doing what his father wanted to do, better Gotham,
That's what I get from Nolan, Being Batman was only good for the first movie,after the second movie started you realize Bruce made a big mistake, by continuing being batman,
You could say Bane was coming sooner or Later, and was going to complete Ras plan, but if Bruce was already retired from being Batman for 8 years, so he could have quit in Begins, and be ready for Bane if he came, be batman once more,
the difference is that fighting the Joker nearly destroyed him psychically, and killed the only reason he had to live apparently,
jye4ever
Broke and happy
O My God you are right!!! I Also Imagine that when he said it lol
I took his statement as meaning that he went from living a comfortable life to now living in the mountains which was grueling and isolated, which it sure looked like in BB.
I guess living in the desert was less grueling and isolated.
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Write a script to answer that question how you'd please. It's a movie.
How about the police can do their job until he's ready, if not, at least he'll have something to fight when he is.
Blake might even do a good job the first few months, he might even not need any Ninja training, catch a couple of bad guys
until the mob finds out there is another batman, then they will try to kill him,
or until the next freak shows up trying to kill him as well, problem is that, with Blake, they might succeed,
the Joker's lines in the interrogation scene apply here too, and will always apply to Batman in this universe,
they might need him now, but when they don't they will cast him out, like a leper, to them he is just a freak......
Blake doesn't have the experience, nor the drive that Bruce had,
I could see Blake killed in like 2-3 months
until the mob finds out there is another batman, then they will try to kill him,
or until the next freak shows up trying to kill him as well, problem is that, with Blake, they might succeed,
the Joker's lines in the interrogation scene apply here too, and will always apply to Batman in this universe,
they might need him now, but when they don't they will cast him out, like a leper, to them he is just a freak......
Blake doesn't have the experience, nor the drive that Bruce had,
I could see Blake killed in like 2-3 months
Do you have a problem with an adolescent circus performer fighting crime in the comics?
Or he could meet the challenge of whatever rises and be victorious. Bruce didn't have the experience originally either. Remember he wasn't the one who kickstarted the cycle of escalation. It was the LoS. They created an army of ninjas and so Bruce escalated by becoming a better ninja.
Blake can do the same. Or he can die. We don't know and that lack of knowledge doesn't take away from the trilogy one bit.
I actually like Blake. I just don't buy that he's meant to train for years before coming Batman 2.0. I believe the ending (new Bat Signal, etc) clearly implies that he already is the new Batman.
Unless, of course, Bruce put a "Don't open until next Christmas!" note on the Bat Signal.
Unless, of course, Bruce put a "Don't open until next Christmas!" note on the Bat Signal.
intothevoid
Super Freak
- Blake has the will and the drive, just as Bruce did
Then why couldn't he and Gordon stop the bomb on their own?
He didn't have the resources. If Blake had access to Fox and The Bat, he could've done it too
- Bruce's fortune was lost due to bogus trades, even within the film Fox says with time they may be able to prove fraud (would be a open and shut case) and get his money back
Get who's money back? Bruce is dead... he cannot testify to anything. No one could prove anything about the fingerprints being stolen.
He's dead so what? His money still exists and it's not a leap of logic to assume if the money is recovered, it would go to Alfred.
'Mr Wayne's will was not ammended to reflect his more modest estate'.
So there is an original will which assumes he still has his fortune. Who would he have left the money to in that will? I'd guess a good chunk would be to Alfred. He trusts Alfred more than anyone.
Secondly, the contents of the Manor are sold to settle Wayne's accounts...and the 'remainder is to be left in its entirety to Alfred J Pennyworth'
- The money would go to Alfred
Even if it somehow did get reversed that money was not in the will to be left to him.
See above.
- Who said Blake doesn't have Alfred? For me, Alfred would continue to live at Wayne Manor with the Orphans and would play a father figure role for Blake
He wouldn't help Bruce anymore, why would he help a stranger.
Alfred is the reason Bruce lived at the end of TDKR, whether you like it or not. Alfred didn't try to stop Bruce becoming Batman when he was in his prime. He only tried to stop him when he was physically compromised and highly likely to get himself killed trying to be Batman any longer. Blake though is in his prime. So not a big leap for me to think Alfred will help him.
- Who said Blake doesn't have Fox? @ Deckard - he has to will but he didn't have the equipment, now he will.
Fox the guy that built the nuke that almost destroyed the city? Fox the guy running a bankrupt company likely to be bought out and let go? What equipment? The Tumblers were destoryed, the Bat is destroyed, and theres no money to make more
Company won't be bankrupt if trades are reversed and shareprice recovers. It would be struggling yes, but every company has its ups and downs. Equipment was destroyed, but Fox is alive and the most important asset is his brain
Also
- Batman is not gone, there is a new Batman in town
The statue in city hall?
Are you trying to suggest that Blake will not be the new Batman?
- Prisoners will be rounded up by the police and Batman 2.0
Identified how? They can blend in with all the other new homeless who were thrown out of their buildings and lost all their money and possessions, theres likely to be a mass exodus from the city, if I was held hostage in philly for 6 months the first thing I'd do is leave and get a room somewhere else where I could sleep in a bed with hot food etc.
They'll be identified the moment they start committing crimes. If they don't commit crimes then does it really matter?
- Harvey Dent Act is no longer needed (that's the whole point of the film ), because now citizens have real hope based on a real heroic act, not the lie of Dent's death.
And on top of that now the thousands locked up under BS Dent act are all by US Law guarenteed a retrial, most of them were only arrested in the first place because of the BS ammendmants the act put in place that will no longer exist meaning they will mostly all go free.
I think some of you guys are missing the point completely
The entire trilogy is a story arc not just for Bruce Wayne but for Gotham City itself. It starts with a corrupt city, with next to no hope of things getting better. Batman appears, fights the mob, but inadvertently causes escalation... 'things were always going to get worse before they got better'
Then things are supposedly peaceful for a while but based on a lie, so unsustainably so.
Then Bane arrives, pretty much war breaks loose, and disaster is averted, Batman is martyred and immortalized, and he finally becomes an everlasting symbol of hope.
Things are not going to be rosy forever, far from it, the city will take a turn for the worse once again, that's why a new Batman is needed, and that's why a Batman will always be needed. What Bruce accomplised (apart from saving Gotham from the LoS twice, and from the Joker's anarchy) is gave Gotham a symbol of hope, something they never had before. Before him, the only optimism they had was due to his parents. So Thomas Wayne inspired hope in his own way, Bruce Wayne did it by creating the legacy of Batman.
Then why couldn't he and Gordon stop the bomb on their own?
He didn't have the resources. If Blake had access to Fox and The Bat, he could've done it too
- Bruce's fortune was lost due to bogus trades, even within the film Fox says with time they may be able to prove fraud (would be a open and shut case) and get his money back
Get who's money back? Bruce is dead... he cannot testify to anything. No one could prove anything about the fingerprints being stolen.
He's dead so what? His money still exists and it's not a leap of logic to assume if the money is recovered, it would go to Alfred.
'Mr Wayne's will was not ammended to reflect his more modest estate'.
So there is an original will which assumes he still has his fortune. Who would he have left the money to in that will? I'd guess a good chunk would be to Alfred. He trusts Alfred more than anyone.
Secondly, the contents of the Manor are sold to settle Wayne's accounts...and the 'remainder is to be left in its entirety to Alfred J Pennyworth'
- The money would go to Alfred
Even if it somehow did get reversed that money was not in the will to be left to him.
See above.
- Who said Blake doesn't have Alfred? For me, Alfred would continue to live at Wayne Manor with the Orphans and would play a father figure role for Blake
He wouldn't help Bruce anymore, why would he help a stranger.
Alfred is the reason Bruce lived at the end of TDKR, whether you like it or not. Alfred didn't try to stop Bruce becoming Batman when he was in his prime. He only tried to stop him when he was physically compromised and highly likely to get himself killed trying to be Batman any longer. Blake though is in his prime. So not a big leap for me to think Alfred will help him.
- Who said Blake doesn't have Fox? @ Deckard - he has to will but he didn't have the equipment, now he will.
Fox the guy that built the nuke that almost destroyed the city? Fox the guy running a bankrupt company likely to be bought out and let go? What equipment? The Tumblers were destoryed, the Bat is destroyed, and theres no money to make more
Company won't be bankrupt if trades are reversed and shareprice recovers. It would be struggling yes, but every company has its ups and downs. Equipment was destroyed, but Fox is alive and the most important asset is his brain
Also
- Batman is not gone, there is a new Batman in town
The statue in city hall?
Are you trying to suggest that Blake will not be the new Batman?
- Prisoners will be rounded up by the police and Batman 2.0
Identified how? They can blend in with all the other new homeless who were thrown out of their buildings and lost all their money and possessions, theres likely to be a mass exodus from the city, if I was held hostage in philly for 6 months the first thing I'd do is leave and get a room somewhere else where I could sleep in a bed with hot food etc.
They'll be identified the moment they start committing crimes. If they don't commit crimes then does it really matter?
- Harvey Dent Act is no longer needed (that's the whole point of the film ), because now citizens have real hope based on a real heroic act, not the lie of Dent's death.
And on top of that now the thousands locked up under BS Dent act are all by US Law guarenteed a retrial, most of them were only arrested in the first place because of the BS ammendmants the act put in place that will no longer exist meaning they will mostly all go free.
I think some of you guys are missing the point completely
The entire trilogy is a story arc not just for Bruce Wayne but for Gotham City itself. It starts with a corrupt city, with next to no hope of things getting better. Batman appears, fights the mob, but inadvertently causes escalation... 'things were always going to get worse before they got better'
Then things are supposedly peaceful for a while but based on a lie, so unsustainably so.
Then Bane arrives, pretty much war breaks loose, and disaster is averted, Batman is martyred and immortalized, and he finally becomes an everlasting symbol of hope.
Things are not going to be rosy forever, far from it, the city will take a turn for the worse once again, that's why a new Batman is needed, and that's why a Batman will always be needed. What Bruce accomplised (apart from saving Gotham from the LoS twice, and from the Joker's anarchy) is gave Gotham a symbol of hope, something they never had before. Before him, the only optimism they had was due to his parents. So Thomas Wayne inspired hope in his own way, Bruce Wayne did it by creating the legacy of Batman.
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thenammagazine
Super Freak
- Blake has the will and the drive, just as Bruce did
Then why couldn't he and Gordon stop the bomb on their own?
He didn't have the resources. If Blake had access to Fox and The Bat, he could've done it too
- Bruce's fortune was lost due to bogus trades, even within the film Fox says with time they may be able to prove fraud (would be a open and shut case) and get his money back
Get who's money back? Bruce is dead... he cannot testify to anything. No one could prove anything about the fingerprints being stolen.
He's dead so what? His money still exists and it's not a leap of logic to assume if the money is recovered, it would go to Alfred.
'Mr Wayne's will was not ammended to reflect his more modest estate'.
So there is an original will which assumes he still has his fortune. Who would he have left the money to in that will? I'd guess a good chunk would be to Alfred. He trusts Alfred more than anyone.
Secondly, the contents of the Manor are sold to settle Wayne's accounts...and the 'remainder is to be left in its entirety to Alfred J Pennyworth'
- The money would go to Alfred
Even if it somehow did get reversed that money was not in the will to be left to him.
See above.
- Who said Blake doesn't have Alfred? For me, Alfred would continue to live at Wayne Manor with the Orphans and would play a father figure role for Blake
He wouldn't help Bruce anymore, why would he help a stranger.
Alfred is the reason Bruce lived at the end of TDKR, whether you like it or not. Alfred didn't try to stop Bruce becoming Batman when he was in his prime. He only tried to stop him when he was physically compromised and highly likely to get himself killed trying to be Batman any longer. Blake though is in his prime. So not a big leap for me to think Alfred will help him.
- Who said Blake doesn't have Fox? @ Deckard - he has to will but he didn't have the equipment, now he will.
Fox the guy that built the nuke that almost destroyed the city? Fox the guy running a bankrupt company likely to be bought out and let go? What equipment? The Tumblers were destoryed, the Bat is destroyed, and theres no money to make more
Company won't be bankrupt if trades are reversed and shareprice recovers. It would be struggling yes, but every company has its ups and downs. Equipment was destroyed, but Fox is alive and the most important asset is his brain
Also
- Batman is not gone, there is a new Batman in town
The statue in city hall?
Are you trying to suggest that Blake will not be the new Batman?
- Prisoners will be rounded up by the police and Batman 2.0
Identified how? They can blend in with all the other new homeless who were thrown out of their buildings and lost all their money and possessions, theres likely to be a mass exodus from the city, if I was held hostage in philly for 6 months the first thing I'd do is leave and get a room somewhere else where I could sleep in a bed with hot food etc.
They'll be identified the moment they start committing crimes. If they don't commit crimes then does it really matter?
- Harvey Dent Act is no longer needed (that's the whole point of the film ), because now citizens have real hope based on a real heroic act, not the lie of Dent's death.
And on top of that now the thousands locked up under BS Dent act are all by US Law guarenteed a retrial, most of them were only arrested in the first place because of the BS ammendmants the act put in place that will no longer exist meaning they will mostly all go free.
I think some of you guys are missing the point completely
The entire trilogy is a story arc not just for Bruce Wayne but for Gotham City itself. It starts with a corrupt city, with next to no hope of things getting better. Batman appears, fights the mob, but inadvertently causes escalation... 'things were always going to get worse before they got better'
Then things are supposedly peaceful for a while but based on a lie, so unsustainably so.
Then Bane arrives, pretty much war breaks loose, and disaster is averted, Batman is martyred and immortalized, and he finally becomes an everlasting symbol of hope.
Things are not going to be rosy forever, far from it, the city will take a turn for the worse once again, that's why a new Batman is needed, and that's why a Batman will always be needed. What Bruce accomplised is gave Gotham a symbol of hope, something they never had before. Before him, the only optimism they had was due to his parents. So Thomas Wayne inspired hope in his own way, Bruce Wayne did it by creating the legacy of Batman.
you raise really really good points,
but there is one thing you didn't,
being Batman was not a good thing for Bruce, it nearly killed him, it destroyed his body, broke him mentally,
now he is giving this Bat curse to the nicest person in Gotham?
he is giving this Life ending problem to the most honest person in Gotham?
OF course you could say, since Blake is so honest and good, he is the perfect batman,
but the thing is, even thought Batman created hope, it was created almost at the cost of his life, if Bruce didn't fix the Auto pilot, he Would have Died actually, just like he would have died when Ras burned his house down, or in the prison,
or when Joker was after him,
Bruce actually came close to death a lot, and since this is the realistic Nolan batman, those close encounters had repercussions,
so being batman in this universe is a death sentence waiting to happen, you either quit when things are calm or you die a hero,
that was pretty much the message, either you are Batman when is definitely needed, when the city is about to be destroyed or blown up, and nothing more, or you do it every night and risk dying,
is like, Blake should be Batman when chaos begins, but he should not go after criminals every night, should be a once a year type thing, if Blake wants to survive being the Batman,
Hopefully people make their own choices.
devilof76
Super Freak
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