The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[DiFabio]

Dredds a good film but its not meant to be anything like TDKR. TDKR is abit too self-serious, but thats what I loved about it.

Dredd was still great. And none of it felt as forced as the avengers united after Coulsons death. If every theres a comic book film that had such a lame forced 'lets pull together guys'.

Put it this way. Imagine the death of ramierez or Flass if he was a good guy, making batman take up the cowl again.

Yeah, such a sub/side character that has such a main impact? Totally falsified

Batman in TDKR looks like a joke compared to Dredd, especially with all his yelling and pointless talk. Batman looks like a blubbering child who loses his cool in any given situation. The interrogation scene in TDK I can see, Batman was losing his edge to the Joker, but he does it in every film. There's never a calm, collected or confident Batman when dealing with criminals. He yells and yells and looks/sounds like an idiot doing it. Judge Dredd only says what he has to and gets the point across with very few lines. Every word that comes out of his mouth is focused and controlled. They're not even wise cracks or anything close to "Nice coat", "so that's what that feels like" etc. By TDKR, Batman became too self-aware and "out of character". He was a joke. Not on Schumacher levels but still a departure from how he was depicted in Begins and TDK. It's like Nolan and Bale embraced the "parody" of "Bale Batman" on youtube and on the internet and made it worse.

"WHERE IZZZ DA TRIGGERZ"

He devolved from 2005 to 2012.

After seeing the animated Dark Knight Returns and Dredd in the last two weeks, I definitely think it's time to bring Batman back to his darker, anti-hero roots. Not a walking, talking allegory meant to inspire a city through martyrdom. For me, I think it was seeing Batman leading an all out war, during the day, in front of city hall steps and jumping into a high flying vehicle and "sacrificing" himself to dispose of a nuclear bomb. That's approaching Adam West territory, they "deputized" Batman. I was waiting for that little red phone with the direct hotline to Gordon's office to appear. Robin did.


As for Coulson, he was set up in nearly every film, he had an impact. Each Marvel hero (except Banner/The Hulk) interacted with him, there was a bond there. He didn't just come out of nowhere when Avengers popped up. Did you see Thor? Did you see the Iron Man films?

He looked up to Steve Rogers and understood the importance of heroes. He worked with Tony Stark in multiple films. He was the first agent to deal with Thor in New Mexico and Thor considered him an ally. That's nothing like Ramirez or Stephens and you know it.


His death had more meaning than any death in TDKR and was much more convincing (especially Talia's).

 

[thenammagazine]

So... its like trying to get through to Star Puffs?

He makes Star Puffs look like Einstein.

 

[jye4ever]

Batman in TDKR looks like a joke compared to Dredd, especially with all his yelling and pointless talk. Batman looks like a blubbering child who loses his cool in any given situation. The interrogation scene in TDK I can see, Batman was losing his edge to the Joker, but he does it in every film. There's never a calm, collected or confident Batman when dealing with criminals. He yells and yells and looks/sounds like an idiot doing it. Judge Dredd only says what he has to and gets the point across with very few lines. Every word that comes out of his mouth is focused and controlled. They're not even wise cracks or anything close to "Nice coat", "so that's what that feels like" etc. By TDKR, Batman became too self-aware and "out of character". He was a joke. Not on Schumacher levels but still a departure from how he was depicted in Begins and TDK. It's like Nolan and Bale embraced the "parody" of "Bale Batman" on youtube and on the internet and made it worse.

"WHERE IZZZ DA TRIGGERZ"

He devolved from 2005 to 2012.

After seeing the animated Dark Knight Returns and Dredd in the last two weeks, I definitely think it's time to bring Batman back to his darker, anti-hero roots. Not a walking, talking allegory meant to inspire a city through martyrdom. For me, I think it was seeing Batman leading an all out war, during the day, in front of city hall steps and jumping into a high flying vehicle and "sacrificing" himself to dispose of a nuclear bomb. That's approaching Adam West territory, they "deputized" Batman. I was waiting for that little red phone with the direct hotline to Gordon's office to appear. Robin did.


As for Coulson, he was set up in nearly every film, he had an impact. Each Marvel hero (except Banner/The Hulk) interacted with him, there was a bond there. He didn't just come out of nowhere when Avengers popped up. Did you see Thor? Did you see the Iron Man films?

He looked up to Steve Rogers and understood the importance of heroes. He worked with Tony Stark in multiple films. He was the first agent to deal with Thor in New Mexico and Thor considered him an ally. That's nothing like Ramirez or Stephens and you know it.


His death had more meaning than any death in TDKR and was much more convincing (especially Talia's).

 

[intothevoid]

He didn't devolve at all. He completed his arc

First time in comic book movie history, I might add, that the main character arc has been truly addressed start to finish.

 

[DiFabio]

No, Tony Stark/Iron Man completed his arc before Batman, and still keeps going.





It's actually true too in multiple ways. The arc reactor and his character arc in Iron Man, Iron Man 2 and Avengers.

 

[intothevoid]

No, Tony Stark/Iron Man completed his arc before Batman, and still keeps going.

It's actually true too in multiple ways. The arc reactor and his character arc in Iron Man, Iron Man 2 and Avengers.

How is his arc completed if he's still going

 

[jye4ever]

How is his arc completed if he's still going

His arc was to change from a spoiled billionaire making money from his weapons that were hurting innocents to stopping his weapon production and helping others with his skills, smarts and billions.

He completed his arc in his first movie.

 

[DiFabio]

How is his arc completed if he's still going

The little thing on his chest bro.

But also, "A character arc is the status of the character as it unfolds throughout the story, the storyline or series of episodes".


So that means a character can have multiple arcs. At least we'll see more of Tony Stark and Iron Man in his 4th consecutive film. He's older than Bruce and still going strong.


Besides, a person's life (and life story) doesn't end until they die. Bruce resides in Italy (can't believe I'd post such a thing) who knows where the rest of his boring life will take him. I probably won't be the same exact person I am 10 years from now, what if Bruce was inspired to become Batman again?


Oh that's right, "completed EPIC trilogy", "finished story", "dis isn't da comics, Bruce has to stop sometime".

 

[intothevoid]

His arc was to change from a spoiled billionaire making money from his death weapons to stopping his weapon production and helping others with his skills, smarts and billions.

That's like Bruce Wayne's arc going from a vengeful orphan to becoming Batman and using his anger in a positive way, and ending there.

 

[jye4ever]

That's like Bruce Wayne's arc going from a vengeful orphan to becoming Batman and using his anger in a positive way, and ending there.

Well, diffrence is Stark doesn't want to retire where BW did.

 

[jye4ever]

The little thing on his chest bro.

But also, "A character arc is the status of the character as it unfolds throughout the story, the storyline or series of episodes".


So that means a character can have multiple arcs. At least we'll see more of Tony Stark and Iron Man in his 4th consecutive film. He's older than Bruce and still going strong.


Besides, a person's life (and life story) doesn't end until they die. Bruce resides in Italy (can't believe I'd post such a thing) who knows where the rest of his boring life will take him. I probably won't be the same exact person I am 10 years from now, what if Bruce was inspired to become Batman again?


Oh that's right, "completed EPIC trilogy", "finished story", "dis isn't da comics, Bruce has to stop sometime".

Sipping drinks in Italy > Parents deaths

 

[DiFabio]

Well, diffrence is Stark doesn't want to retire where BW did.

And he's older, been fighting crime for more than 1 year, taken on and defeated Terrorists (probably related to DA League of Shadoooooows) doesn't have a bad knee and gets to work with the Hulk.


Batman's got a cool cape though. Also got to fight the Joker annnnd not fraid of nobody.

Sipping drinks in Italy > Parents deaths

Thomas and Martha Wayne . . . who cares. They don't mean **** compared to GOTHAM CITY and RAAAAAAAAAACHEL.

 

[thenammagazine]

He didn't devolve at all. He completed his arc

First time in comic book movie history, I might add, that the main character arc has been truly addressed start to finish.

Wrong. If the films had been titled "Bruce Wayne," that statement would be accurate. But they weren't. Even the title of the last film disagrees with your statement.

 

[jye4ever]

And he's older, been fighting crime for more than 1 year, taken on and defeated Terrorists (probably related to DA League of Shadoooooows) doesn't have a bad knee and gets to work with the Hulk.


Batman's got a cool cape though. Also got to fight the Joker annnnd not fraid of nobody.





Thomas and Martha Wayne . . . who cares. They don't mean **** compared to GOTHAM CITY and RAAAAAAAAAACHEL.

See, my problem with TDKR isn't the quitting part so that he can sip drinks and forget about his parents, so be it if he no longer wants to be Batman (wimp ).

What bugs me is the story we did get is borderline poorly told via the truncated editing and run time, all so that 15/70 could be embraced, coming from a guy who states story is what matters, not technical junk.

I'm ok with the symbol being created, but this story needed another 30 minutes at the minimum starting with the removal of the prologue.

Talia's character, LOS backstory, BW captive, Gordon, Foley, all suffered because of Imax.

Ok Mr. Story comes first before anything else.

 

[intothevoid]

Well, diffrence is Stark doesn't want to retire where BW did.

The difference is Bruce has a goal he sets out to achieve, and his arc is completed when he achieves that goal. I don't get the sense that Stark really has any vision of that sort. It's just beat the baddies and beat more baddies. When I die, I die, maybe i'll give Rhodey the rest of my armours and he'll be my legacy :

Also
I agree that the film could have been EVEB BETTER with a longer run time to explore some characters and situations more deeply, but that would be the difference between a 9.5 and a 10 for me.

 

[DiFabio]

Talia's character, LOS backstory, BW captive, Gordon, Foley, all suffered because of Imax.

Or just omit them.

 

[jye4ever]

The difference is Bruce has a goal he sets out to achieve, and his arc is completed when he achieves that goal. I don't get the sense that Stark really has any vision of that sort. It's just beat the baddies and beat more baddies. When I die, I die, maybe i'll give Rhodey the rest of my armours and he'll be my legacy :

Also
I agree that the film could have been EVEB BETTER with a longer run time to explore some characters and situations more deeply, but that would be the difference between a 9.5 and a 10 for me.

at War Machine comment.

BB 9.5
TDK 9.0
TDKR 8.0 (as is)

100 is soley used for Raiders

But man does my EB Batman and Tumbler kick all kinds of ass!

 

[jye4ever]

Or just omit them.

The best thing to come out of TDKR are your Bane impressions.

I wouldn't trade that in for nothing.

 

[DiFabio]

But man does my EB Batman and Tumbler kick all kinds of ass!

Notice how those two things have no association with TDKR?

No Begins suit, no black Batmobile.

The best thing to come out of TDKR are your Bane impressions.

My impressions aren't as good as Bane's impressions of the Joker.


DIS BOMB IS AWMED, DIS BOMB IS MO-BILE AND DA IDENTITTY OF DA TRIGGA MAN IZ A MYSTERY. FOR ONE OF YOU OWNS DA DETONATA. FOR DOS ATTEMPTING TO FLEA, DIS ANNONOMOUS GOTHAMITE, DIS UNSUNG HERO WILL TRIGGA DA BOMB.


vs.

"Tonight you're allll gonna be part of a social experiment. Through the magic of diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate, I'm ready to blow you all sky high. Anyone attempts to get off their boat, you all die. Each of you has a remote to blow up the other boat. At midnight, I blow you all up. If, however, one of you presses the button, I'll let that boat live. So, who's it going to be? Harvey Dent's most wanted scumbag collection, or the sweet and innocent civilians? You chooooose. Oh, and you might want to decide quickly, because the people on the other boat might not be quite so noble."




I'd love to see how long Bane would last against Judge Dredd.

 

[CelticPredator]

"You mearly adopted the dark! I was born in it!"

"Adopt this...HOT SHOT."



Fight over.