The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[Adolfo]

We'll hit 1000 pages and 10000 posts in no time

 

[DiFabio]

Maybe I should have said comic book like then...

Hnnnnggggg


If anything, TDKR might be the most "comic book like" then.

Bane breaks Batman's back. Bane came out of a prison. Bane broke prisoners out of a prison. No man's land, Gotham is cut off. Catwoman has ears and is a thief. "You're in for a show tonight son" The Dark Knight Returns reference. Etc. etc.

Not sure what you're getting at, comics have nothing to do with this movie's quality, or lack thereof. My faults have LITTLE to do with comic anything. It's the movie itself that's problematic for me. That's it. Not comics, not anything. The movie itself like the story, the characters, the direction. That's it.

 

[BadMoon]

Watching it now. **** all the hating nerds. Movie is awesome.

 

[Maglor]

Yes it is, hahaha, yes it is.

"Why do we fall".

His father says that to him when he falls into the well. The relief or conclusion is, "so we learn to pick ourselves up".

That's not a throw away line in Begins. This is played up in the third act OF BATMAN BEGINS. When Bruce is at his wits end and frustrated feeling he's failed the city and his father's legacy as he watches his house burn.

What does Alfred say? "Why do we fall" . . . "so we can learn to pick ourselves up".



TDKR just utilizes it because they ran out of ideas, in my opinion...

Watch the special feature I was referring to.


Bruce does not truly 'pick himself back up' until the end of TDKR. (i.e. He does not truly RISE until the end of TDKR.)

Thomas Wayne (who said "why do we fall") would not be truly proud of, and happy for, his son until Bruce had stopped tormenting himself.

I know the Bruce Wayne you prefer is forever tormented. This works in a universe created for adolescents who are looking for someone to relate to [although, even they grow up and get over 'teen torment'], but in the real world, if it's never overcome, this is mental illness and weakness.

TDKR takes it back and ****s with it all. Nolan might as well be M. Night Shyamalan. "You think you know Bruce Wayne, think again".

Never once did I feel that way. Never once. The character development felt right. It is the same Bruce.

Listen We all know you want Batman to be like the comics version a cold hard detective,etc...Nolan made him a human being whether you like it or not...over a billion dollars from folks hard earned money says otherwise that TDKR doesnt stink...I'm glad it wasnt just a Hard Boiled Batman and that emotions were put in place...am I saying it was perfect...no...but it was good and only a blind man or someone really really stubborn cant see how good this trilogy was...TDKR was the worst of the 3 but still very good in my book and millions of others agree...including 4 out of 5 dentists...LOL

Nope. He was a human being in Begins and TDK and I loved that. His origin isn't even "comic accurate". I don't care about comic accuracy for the most part.

Yeah, but you're a stickler for one interpretation of Bruce Wayne.

Very narrow-minded.

Bane and Talia were complicated? LOL

Scarecrow was complex? LOL

The Joker was the least complicated villain in movie history. So what?

DiFabio can repeat his feelings 100 more times, it still makes sense to me wut he's saying, and it's a pleasure to read.

He's preaching to the choir.

Personally, I could barely get through the whole post. It took several tries, but I read the whole thing...

This is just a message board, a place to express your feelings and have fun about common interests you have with other. So, with that said, TDKR is ****. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are much, much, MUCH better.

The Dark Knight Rises is my personal favorite of the bunch. Not because it's the best movie, but because it moves me more than the other two combined.

The Dark Knight is the best movie of the 3.

 

[jye4ever]

At the end of da day, TDKR could've made 2 billion dollars and DiFabio would still have his own personal reasons why he didn't like it (and think void is nuts) and vice versa, it could've bombed at the box office yet Void would still have his own personal reasons why he loves it (and think DiFabio is nuts).

It's not just about da money.

 

[Maglor]

I didn't even see one.

Me either. Target, Walmart, Best Buy - none of them had it.

 

[jye4ever]

Hnnnngggggg

 

[crows]

None of us expected them to take it where they did. But looking back, what they did in TDKR was actually a logical path to follow considering how TDK ended.

He didn't "sacrifice" the image of Batman and turn Harvey into a martyr to run around beating up street thugs (he wasn't going after the Joe Chills in BB and TDK. He went after the big dogs like Falcone and Maroni. Thanks to Rachel ) and get chased by the cops forever (or until the truth came out).

So for me, the characterization of Bruce Wayne and the story points (retiring after TDK, the Dent Act, Batman as a symbol/Batman can be anybody) in TDKR do not contradict the previous films.

Also, way back in an interview with Nolan during Batman Begins, he did say that he looked at Bruce's goal as an achievable one. Which he sort of repeated in a recent interview at the end here.

Why was bruce all hurt and cripple? He didn't look that hurt to me in Dark Knight, even after the fight with the Joker he seemed okay.

so to go from an okay Bruce Wayne to a cripple Bruce Wayne? that kinda pissed me off.

 

[Adolfo]

At the end of da day, TDKR could've made 2 billion dollars and DiFabio would still have his own personal reasons why he didn't like it (and think void is nuts) and vice versa, it could've bombed at the box office yet Void would still have his own personal reasons why he loves it (and think DiFabio is nuts).

It's not just about da money.

No it is not...but it says alot...and on the other side some films dont make money but are great too...I just dont see how someone could like/love the first two films of this trilogy and hate the third film...did it surprise us...yes...But done it was and done well...

 

[batfan08]

DiFabio can repeat his feelings 100 more times, it still makes sense to me wut he's saying, and it's a pleasure to read.

He was just providing Maglor a counter argument, is dis a crime now.



Adolfo, Avatar made 17 trillion dollars

No, I'm saying that he shouldn't have to. For one thing, he's already stated it many times, and, for another, he shouldn't have to defend it; he's entitled to his own opinion.

 

[Maglor]

Why was bruce all hurt and cripple? He didn't look that hurt to me in Dark Knight, even after the fight with the Joker he seemed okay.

so to go from an okay Bruce Wayne to a cripple Bruce Wayne? that kinda pissed me off.

This is also addressed in the "The Journey of Bruce Wayne" special feature I just mentioned.


He gets hurt in the fall with Harvey Dent.

 

[jye4ever]

Why was bruce all hurt and cripple? He didn't look that hurt to me in Dark Knight, even after the fight with the Joker he seemed okay.

so to go from an okay Bruce Wayne to a cripple Bruce Wayne? that kinda pissed me off.

Simple,

because Heath Ledger died in a hotel room.

 

[Mr. EcKo]

Because he fell 3 stories to the fkn ground on his back

 

[jye4ever]

Because he fell 3 stories to the fkn ground on his back

Rachel was not armored and walked away just fine.

Mike, mike, mike.

 

[Maglor]

Because he fell 3 stories to the fkn ground on his back

Correct .

 

[jye4ever]

Time for a cage match.

DiFabio/Nam/Me vs Void/Maglor/Adolfo

I pity da fools.

 

[Adolfo]

Time for a cage match.

DiFabio/Nam/Me vs Void/Maglor/Adolfo

I pity da fools.

That's not a fair fight...How can I see where I'm throwing my punches when you got your flashlight tooth shining in my face...LOL

 

[Voorhees27]

Time for a cage match.

DiFabio/Nam/Me vs Void/Maglor/Adolfo

I pity da fools.

Can I referee?

 

[thenammagazine]

For those that dislike TDKR, please watch the special feature entitled: "The Journey of Bruce Wayne" (assuming you still bought the disc).

The movies weren't called, "The life and times of Bruce Wayne," dingus.

And honestly, if it has to be explained through a documentary, than Nolan failed as a film maker.

 

[jye4ever]

The movies weren't called, "The life and times of Bruce Wayne," dingus.

And honestly, if it has to be explained through a documentary, than Nolan failed as a film maker.