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Bruce's story ended, John Blake can handle it with his police training.

But what can he do? end up with the same life Bruce had? a broken man with everyone that he cared about dead?
Nolan trying to make this universe so realistic it made batman not being able to actually really save Gotham. How will Blake do any different?
another psychopath will come and destroy his life, kill those around him,

There is no hope for any batman in this universe. And no matter what batman does the criminals will always end up in the streets. Like I said he only delayed Gotham's destruction. Sooner or later Nolan's Gotham will be the same it was before begins.
It is almost like Den'ts death and Bruce life being destroyed was for nothing, was all in vain. Bruce really didn't do anything but stop 3 major bad guys, the rest of the criminals ended up free.
 
If dis happened though, it could possibly diminish the great ending from TDK. :(

Where there's crime, there's a Batman. Well, not in TDKR.

The lie was never going to work to begin with. Great ending, but convoluted choice. It could have nipped Batman and Gordon in the butt in a better, more creative way but . . .

. . . instead, we get a villain who shows up for the first time, just happens to find a letter that Gordon wrote for his speech just around the time said villain was going to start his siege against the city. What a coinky dink.

Also, the letter is read by the villain, and not a single person in Gotham questions whether or not Gordon actually wrote it. Instead we don't really see their reactions. In fact, nobody seems to care about it at all. Nobody even comes to the realization that, *GASP* "da Batman is innocent". Nope, quickly abandoned.

We do get new comer, John Blake's reaction, even though he had absolutely no role in Begins or The Dark Knight.
 
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What was Bane's plan anyway? I have a hard time understanding his retarded plan.
I mean he expects to give people of Gotham hope, yet there is a bomb going around? Releases the prisoners but somehow this is all supposed to be good?
What was the whole point of that? the speeches he gives in the football field and outside the prison?
This City is yours? WTF is He Talking ABOUT?

That is another thing that pisses me off about this movie, his babbling and his ranting make no sense. he is going to give people hope for 3 months only to kill them. But everyone is probably terrified of this crazy guy and the bomb he has, makes absolutely no sense, at all.
 
but in reality you've just outlined
how similar they are once you sift through your pity party points.



Yep, I said they were similar on the surface but, characterization wise, motivating wise? They're completely different.

Man retires over tragedy

Batman doesn't willingly retire, he's forced to by the Government. Heroes are outlawed.

Nothing really tragic there.

comes back when needed most

Comes back because he chooses to come back because he can't handle not being Batman and is fixated on eliminating crime. Crime just so happens to drop until the Joker returns (where's the Joker in TDKR?)

You can pose the extracurriculars how you see fit.

You know it.
 
Yep, I said they were similar on the surface but, characterization wise, motivating wise? They're completely different.



Batman doesn't willingly retire, he's forced to by the Government. Heroes are outlawed.

Nothing really tragic there.


Retired because of Todd's death. Tragic.



Comes back because he chooses to come back because he can't handle not being Batman and is fixated on eliminating crime.

To stop the thug and his henchman? I might have seen that somewhere.



Yep.


Edit: since you're a compulsive post editor the Joker comes back because Batman comes back not the other way around.
 
That's not why he quit though. Jason Todd died before heroes, such as Green Arrow and the gang were outlawed.

He does still feel upset about Jason Todd (his discussion with Gordon, the anniversary) though but it's not really the catalyst as to why he quit like it was with Rachel.




And still, not really sure what point you're trying to convey. Because Nolan and Co. followed it on the surface, that it somehow makes it good and that I should like it and open it with welcome arms? Hmmmm
 
Retired because of Todd's death. Tragic.





To stop the thug and his henchman? I might have seen that somewhere.




Yep.


Edit: since you're a compulsive post editor the Joker comes back because Batman comes back not the other way around.

That's not why he quit though. Jason Todd died before heroes, such as Green Arrow and the gang were outlawed.

He does still feel upset about Jason Todd (his discussion with Gordon, the anniversary) though but it's not really the catalyst as to why he quit like it was with Rachel.




And still, not really sure what point you're trying to convey. Because Nolan and Co. followed it on the surface, that it somehow makes it good and that I should like it and open it with welcome arms? Hmmmm

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So you're telling me Batman stopped because some suits told him to? This is the crazy kinda Batman you like?

You keep saying it's only on the surface, but it's not. The same motivations are there.
 
So you're telling me Batman stopped because some suits told him to? This is the crazy kinda Batman you like?

You keep saying it's only on the surface, but it's not. The same motivations are there.

I think you're confused. Todd's the reason he won't have another sidekick, not the reason he retired. As DiFab already pointed out, the outlawing of superheroes came well after Todd's death and Batman wasn't retired until that law took effect.
 
I just want to kow how the guys who free bane disappear at the beginning of the movie.
 
I just want to kow how the guys who free bane disappear at the beginning of the movie.

like everything else in this movie that has zero explanation :

(How did Bruce Wayne got to Gotham from the pit?)
(how did Bruce Wayne make the bat symbol in the bridge?)
(why did Miranda sleep with Bruce?)
(why does batman keep talking to people that know who he is in his Batman voice?)


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I think you're confused. Todd's the reason he won't have another sidekick, not the reason he retired. As DiFab already pointed out, the outlawing of superheroes came well after Todd's death and Batman wasn't retired until that law took effect.

Not confused at all. I don't remember any problems with a sidekick in Returns. In fact he doesn't hesitate to use Carrie after she helps him, it's Alfred that try's to talk him out of it. Batman voluntarily retired and the the death of Todd although not mentioned is alluded to in the beginning when Gordon asks Wayne if he's spoken with **** and he replys not in seven years, not since Jason. If he's been retired for 10 years, Todd's death played a big part in him taking himself out of the game, if not the only part. If it was the banning of heroes that did it he wouldn't have come back at all because that didn't lift.
 
What was Bane's plan anyway? I have a hard time understanding his retarded plan.
I mean he expects to give people of Gotham hope, yet there is a bomb going around? Releases the prisoners but somehow this is all supposed to be good?
What was the whole point of that? the speeches he gives in the football field and outside the prison?
This City is yours? WTF is He Talking ABOUT?

That is another thing that pisses me off about this movie, his babbling and his ranting make no sense. he is going to give people hope for 3 months only to kill them. But everyone is probably terrified of this crazy guy and the bomb he has, makes absolutely no sense, at all.

This is actually one of the great things about this character. He is a ****ed up fashist with a twisted world view. A pontificating fanatic, who is convinced he is the only sane and rightious man, among a filthy, degenerated world. He actually wanted to prove something with Gotham. When he said "the city is yours", he tought he was making a valid point about human nature (very similar to what Joker was saying) and behaviour when "the shackles of society" are gone. Similarily to Joker, he wanted to show how false, the civilised laws and structures are. Of course it was all BS really. He was wrong, becouse he wasn't truly setting people free (not really). Gotham wasn't free, it was under a boot of a ****ed up, crazy warlord, wtih criminals running amok, it sure as hell wasn't a place were representative human nature shows through. But as with any fanatic, Bane actions just warped the world to fit and match his twisted, little worldview. He tought the rioting masses and the likes of Crane, represented true human behaviour, but it really didn't. He also didn't care for his own life. He was ready to go out with a bang (literally), and make Gotham his epitaph, his tombstone. Just as real life terrorists and "freedom fighters", blow themselves the **** up, just to futilely prove some point, or shout some fanatical bull**** to the world, so too did Bane, but on a larger, comic, supervillain scale.

As for the hope/bomb theme. I am honestly suprised to see how many people, don't understand this. I mean Bane almost explicitly explains it to Bruce at one point in the movie. It was a mirror reflection of what happened to Bane in prison. "There can be no despair, without hope". He didn't just wanted to blow Gotham sky high. He wanted to torment its people, by giving them false hope, and watching how they behave in that little cesspool he created. To punish the upper classes, the kind of people who he believed were responsible for the misery of the likes of him, in the first place. In the comics, Bane was also a screwed up revolutionary. Nolan's version is even more suggestive, nuanced, real and threatening.

like everything else in this movie that has zero explanation :
(How did Bruce Wayne got to Gotham from the pit?)
This has been beaten to death allready. A whole large chunk of "Batman Begins" was dedicated to showing young Bruce as a man who is resourceful enough, to make it on his own, in foreign, exotic, hostile lands, without any money or support. The trilogy allready established, that he spend whole 7 years, traveling the world, making it on his own. At this point we really don't need to have another trip, explained and showed to us verbatim, especially in a movie thats allready condensed with so much (a bit too much) plot, that it has no time for such bs.
(how did Bruce Wayne make the bat symbol in the bridge?)
It was in no way impossible, it wasn't even anything especially hard for someone like Bruce. But it probably was pretty uncinematic and mundane. Do You really need to see Bruce spend time making this thing? It was necessary tool, becouse of the dramatic effect it had on the citizens. The making of it, probably wasn't so.
(why did Miranda sleep with Bruce?)
Ok. Point for You. I also didn't entirely like it. The only reason it happend was becouse "that's what was written in the comics". I really wish Nolan would have ignored this piece of cannon. I guess it could be explained, that it was some twised way of really getting inside that guys head, getting real close to him, knowing him perhaps. She was after all, a crazy woman. It's entirely possible that she both hated him and was also at the same time, fascinated by him and drawn to him, in some way (which would also fit the comics if I remeber correctly).
(why does batman keep talking to people that know who he is in his Batman voice?)
Seriously? Thats a real argument against the film? How many times Nolan has to make this point. The voice is not just a theatrical tool for deception. Wayne is a bit of an animal, when he's Batman. He becomes something else when he puts on the cowl. He lets the inner beast out. That's not just a vocal trick, thats his persona, thats how the thing he becomes in the suit, speaks.
 
A second viewing on Blu-ray has reinforced my disappointment in this film. If anything, it was more of a chore to sit through the second time.
 
Bane's voice is really terrible. I know people joke about it and whatnot but I was listening to him today and I couldn't take the character seriously.
He sounded like that Beluga Whale
https://youtu.be/HDDgJPKuSf0

This is exactly how Bane freaking sounds..... Like a Beluga talking whale...

Honestly that's what killed it for me in the theatre. The minute he started talking I started laughing. I had a hard time taking him seriously.
 
A second viewing on Blu-ray has reinforced my disappointment in this film. If anything, it was more of a chore to sit through the second time.

I won't buy it but I do want to watch it one more time to see if I really hate it as much as I think I do.
 
Jesus christ people, its movie. Sounds like you were expecting the holy f'n grail. I've avoided this thread for the last few months because all anybody does in here is slam the film and anybody that even remotely enjoyed it. :dunno

On a side-note, has anyone ever realized how different Bale's stuntdouble looks than him. His mouth/jaw doesnt match at all.
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