The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[N2k-swb]

It was bad. Maybe if she was more twisted with some compound fractures and gurgling with bare breast hanging out it would have been better.

That would of made it better

 

[heon123]

If her face fell off, and she was all....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUd1QVyCnM&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL3B783E1BFC6E0ABD

What movie is that?

 

[heon123]

I asked all my friends of what they thought of the film. All of them said it was an absolute monster of a film, I asked my science teacher, he said it was horrible :L.

 

[intothevoid]

Well, we'll never find out if Robin Blake will be Batman, Robin, Nightwing or Red Robin.

The fact remains he's a Robin archetype. He's the Nolan universes' Robin.

Personally think he'll end up Batman 2.0 but as you say below:

Again, it's entirely up to the viewer. There are many possibilities to be had.

Yupp

That's another sort of plot hole. When exactly did Bruce Wayne visit the orphanage Blake described? Blake looks like he's almost 30, he's a young guy in his late 20s. So, at that point Batman had existed for about 8-9 years, give or take.

So Blake was in an orphanage when he was around 19 or 20? lol wut?

The Batman wiki says 9 months between BB and TDK.

I guess that's somewhat inconsistent but not a big issue for me - however, The Dark Knight Manual claims that Batman wore his Begins suit for 5 years before upgrading to the TDK version. So perhaps they retconned that part of the trilogy and increased the gap between BB and TDK?? I would like this to be asked directly to the writers.

If the gap has indeed been increased retrospectively, then some of the things like your issue above or 'Bruce was only Batman for under 3 years' go out the window.

Oh, another weird little thing. All of Gotham must be dumb, especially Gordon (even though he makes several claims that he doesn't care about his identity) considering they don't know who Batman is.

In Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne is declared dead after he goes missing for 7 years. He returns and it's a media frenzy, he's all over the news. A few weeks/months later, Batman appears and also attracts the media.

This happens again in TDKR but it is even MORE noticeable. Nobody has seen Bruce Wayne for 8 years. He's a hermit who lives in Wayne Manor and people make up stories about him (much like the '89 Michael Keaton Bruce Wayne). He soon returns, clean shaven and with a cane and attracts media attention. A few days later, Batman returns after being gone for . . . you guessed it 8 years.

Dumb Gothamites.

Personally in my mind I think Gotham does figure out Wayne was Batman at some point in the future given all the clues especially the A-bomb death, but when Batman 2.0 shows up - that throws doubts into their minds again (this is my own theory in my head and obviously no way to prove either way - it's for us to imagine how the story continues like you say)

I was surprised at Gordon's surprise at realizing it's Wayne though

That's one of the thoughts I had during this film. "What the hell is the Joker doing?" "Oh wait, he doesn't exist anymore."

It's too bad he got retconned out of existence.

So much for that great line, "I think you and I are destined to do this forever."

While I wish Joker had a mention, I never got the impression that he doesn't exist anymore.

So what do you all prefer , the dark knight or the dark knight rises?

The Dark Knight Rises. Still unsure if I prefer BB or TDKR though.

The clear factors TDKR has over the other two for me, as I've mentioned before.
- Only one where I felt fear for Batman's life
- Only one where I felt the pain for Wayne, on physical, emotional and psychological levels
- Only one where I felt genuine sorrow for Alfred/Wayne relationship

It was an emotional rollercoaster unlike any i've ever experienced before.

I want to start a poll thread about which movie had the best Bale bat-voice but I'm worried the mods will close it.

Begins.

So, what did you think of the movie.

Void is sleeping, you can speak the truth.

I wonder if Tale of Two Cities even influenced Batman's billowing cape when he was standing on the tower overlooking Gotham.

Void, wake up.

Hardy said that it was camera trickey and stuff which made him look bigger. Trickery in the sense... he was given smaller props etc etc to make them look much bigger in his hands, mad eto fight much shorter people (specially in the cell scene where he plays protector)... He had bulked up, but he is naturally shorter than Bale by 2 inches...

Yeah I think it was pretty effective

Damn this is such a sad and haunting track.

https://youtu.be/Z-CLsrL56U0

Love this track!

 

[greygoose]

I like Jeremy Jahns reviews and I feel like he got his TDKR review spot on.

[ame]https://youtu.be/ULj7nG2zphs[/ame]

 

[SnakeDoctor]

There's also the possibility that, if the forces of evil were to ever strike again, Bruce could come back to Gotham if it was in desperate need. Lets face it, this isn't the first time Bruce Wayne has been "declared dead", right?

He could train Blake and together they could be Batman and Robin.

You sort of get those vibes outside the tunnel, especially in that great moment where Batman teaches Blake how to use one of those little mine bombs. I'm sure there's a lot more that Blake would have to learn in order to become as skilled as Batman and only Bruce has that knowledge.

Again, it's entirely up to the viewer. There are many possibilities to be had.

Yeah -- even though the story is over, there's the open possibility of a big enough crisis drawing Bruce back. He and Joker may still be destined to do this forever. It is open-ended enough to satisfy me. Bruce ain't done, he's just on vacation. He's too obsessed.

Should've ended like Silence of the Lambs ... an after-credit sequence with a makeupless Joker smiling, putting on a purple fedora, and blending into the background of a train station or something. Maybe even just the back of his head, or a blurred image. Or an off-screen laugh. Calling card in the restaurant menu. I know Ledger is dead ... artsy it up. That would've been rather satisfying -- and full circle from BB.

SnakeDoc

 

[Rorywan]

Anyone else notice that "Mind if I cut in?" on the soundtrack is very very similar to the music from Betty Blue (The french movie from the 80's).

Zimmer strikes again?

I was actually a little disappointed when I compared the two as the Catwoman stuff is the best on the soundtrack IMO.

 

[EVILFACE]

Betty Blue? Did you discover that on your own or read it on the internets. Never heard of it.

 

[Rorywan]

Betty Blue? Did you discover that on your own or read it on the internets. Never heard of it.

Old 80's french movie mate, was big when in art college, in europe. Everyone was listening to the soundtrack from it or one of Luc Besson's earlier entries..

..80's heaven.. Betty Blue, Subway, Le Grande Bleu, Diva etc etc...

I'm sure Nolan would have been very aware of it.
Just noticed it sounded very familiar when I first listened to TDKR, couldn't figure out what it sounded like. Actually the wife figured it out.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Personally in my mind I think Gotham does figure out Wayne was Batman at some point in the future given all the clues especially the A-bomb death, but when Batman 2.0 shows up - that throws doubts into their minds again (this is my own theory in my head and obviously no way to prove either way - it's for us to imagine how the story continues like you say)

I was surprised at Gordon's surprise at realizing it's Wayne though

As far as anyone in Gotham knows, Bruce Wayne was a cripple. That kinda rules him out as a possible Batman, even if absences seem to line-up.

Also ... with the war on Gotham's wealthy, many may assume that Bruce Wayne was killed during the revolution, executed/exiled by Crane's Court, etc. His death would be easily explainable. Probably quite a few rich people missing and unaccounted for.

The appearance of Blake Batman would cement it. Nobody will know.

SnakeDoc

 

[Rorywan]

Stupid question..How did Blake figure out Wayne was Bats?
Apart from "recognizing...that look"?

 

[intothevoid]

As far as anyone in Gotham knows, Bruce Wayne was a cripple. That kinda rules him out as a possible Batman, even if absences seem to line-up.

Also ... with the war on Gotham's wealthy, many may assume that Bruce Wayne was killed during the revolution, executed/exiled by Crane's Court, etc. His death would be easily explainable. Probably quite a few rich people missing and unaccounted for.

The appearance of Blake Batman would cement it. Nobody will know.

SnakeDoc

Good points

 

[DarthNeil]

I'm re-reading the Knightfall story arc (for like the 1000th time) and it's really interesting to see all of the little elements that were pulled into the TDKR storyline.

Again, I'd love for Nolan to revisit Gotham with a smaller scale story focused on a learning young Batman (with JGL) taking on perhaps a mystery (in the form of the Riddler) with someone trying to use the death of the Batman as an excuse to create some havoc.

I definitely don't want the next time we see Batman to be a monotonous origin reboot of Bruce Wayne's genesis with another director's vision.

Save the Bruce Wayne Batman for another actor to play in the forthcoming inevitable JLA film.

 

[Frank]

Stupid question..How did Blake figure out Wayne was Bats?
Apart from "recognizing...that look"?

Hmmm... Did Wayne ever donate to the Second Mile?

 

[EVILFACE]

Stupid question..How did Blake figure out Wayne was Bats?
Apart from "recognizing...that look"?

It was in the script.

 

[Guinnessfan]

2) I REALLY wish Nolan had NOT shown Bruce at the end. He did enough by giving us the auto pilot clue. He should have simply shown us Alfred's face (Like Pixar did in Monsters Inc.). I felt that we were treated like we were not smart enough to figure out that Bruce had made a new life for himself.

Personally I think if he did this it would have felt a little like Inception's ending...maybe that's why he didn't leave it ambiguous.

 

[Kabukiman]

2) I REALLY wish Nolan had NOT shown Bruce at the end. He did enough by giving us the auto pilot clue. He should have simply shown us Alfred's face (Like Pixar did in Monsters Inc.). I felt that we were treated like we were not smart enough to figure out that Bruce had made a new life for himself.

Even with all the hand holding and having it spelled out like this, idiots still got it wrong and think it was all a dream or such nonsense. It was needed.

 

[IrishJedi]

Personally I think if he did this it would have felt a little like Inception's ending...maybe that's why he didn't leave it ambiguous.

Well that and the fact that even with the explicit ending (mentioning that the autopilot does work and then showing Bruce) a bunch of numbnuts are still confused as to whether or not he actually survived.

Ambiguity confuses the great unwashed. And this is a Batman film so it has to play to the mainstream.

Still think all the flashbacks dumb it down even further, though.

 

[Guinnessfan]

Well that and the fact that even with the explicit ending (mentioning that the autopilot does work and then showing Bruce) a bunch of numbnuts are still confused as to whether or not he actually survived.

Ambiguity confuses the great unwashed. And this is a Batman film so it has to play to the mainstream.

Still think all the flashbacks dumb it down even further, though.

Wow are you serious people still got it wrong !?!?!

I didn't mind the flashbacks, I figured they were put in for people who didn't see the first 2.

 

[DarthNeil]

Finally saw it tonight. Loved It!! The series is fantastic and will be hard to beat. I am curious if Warner will try to directly/indirectly build on Nolan's world or simply start from scratch again. It is obvious that the public loves Batman so I can't imagine that we will get a 10 year break again.

A few minor criticisms...
1) Talia's death scene was dumb. I felt that she was overacting her final words and her sudden departure.
2) I REALLY wish Nolan had NOT shown Bruce at the end. He did enough by giving us the auto pilot clue. He should have simply shown us Alfred's face (Like Pixar did in Monsters Inc.). I felt that we were treated like we were not smart enough to figure out that Bruce had made a new life for himself.
On the other hand, the obnoxious family behind me was totally surprised when we saw Bruce. One of them said, "What? I thought he died in the explosion?"

I am very sad that we will never get to see Nolan's take on Riddler or Penguin. Great series though!

That would have been great.