The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[IrishJedi]

Wow are you serious people still got it wrong !?!?!

Dude, there have been people in these very threads wondering if that may have just been Alfred imaging Bruce at the end.

I didn't mind the flashbacks, I figured they were put in for people who didn't see the first 2.

And that's what's even more dumb about them. The percentage of people who will go see TDKR without having seen either BB or TDK has got to be VERY small. Why do it for them?? And in the future when watching all 3 back-to-back these flashbacks are going to be even more silly. "Yeah, dude... I just saw Two-Face holding young Gordon and yelling about 10 minutes ago at the end of the other movie."

These types of flashbacks are one of the laziest cop-outs in storytelling. They also show that the movie thinks the audience is rather dumb. The one with Gordon and young Bruce at the end is painfully bad in this regard.

 

[Guinnessfan]

Dude, there have been people in these very threads wondering if that may have just been Alfred imaging Bruce at the end.


And that's what's even more dumb about them. The percentage of people who will go see TDKR without having seen either BB or TDK has got to be VERY small. Why do it for them?? And in the future when watching all 3 back-to-back these flashbacks are going to be even more silly. "Yeah, dude... I just saw Two-Face holding young Gordon and yelling about 10 minutes ago at the end of the other movie."

These types of flashbacks are one of the laziest cop-outs in storytelling. They also show that the movie thinks the audience is rather dumb. The one with Gordon and young Bruce at the end is painfully bad in this regard.

Well considering some people didnt get the ending I guess he had to put the flashbacks in ....I understand where your coming from though.

All in all I was very happy with the movie...I loved Hathaway and Hardy.

 

[intothevoid]

These types of flashbacks are one of the laziest cop-outs in storytelling. They also show that the movie thinks the audience is rather dumb. The one with Gordon and young Bruce at the end is painfully bad in this regard.

I've seen Nolan accused of many things, but thinking his audience is dumb is certainly not one of them.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Flashbacks were in aid of those few who are seeing this as a standalone. Simple.

 

[IrishJedi]

I've seen Nolan accused of many things, but thinking his audience is dumb is certainly not one of them.

Well, in regards to the silly, jarring flashbacks in TDKR... there is indeed a first for everything.

 

[intothevoid]

Here is a nice bit of explanation of the ending. Couple of bits there that I didn't think of (including the tracker and the will to act)

So the ending went like this...

Batman used the Bat to take the nuclear bomb out to sea to let it explode there so he could save Gotham City. Which would make people think he died but in reality he didn't because that one scientist told Lucious Fox that Bruce Wayne fixed the Bat himself 6 months ago so that's how the Auto-Pilot thing worked. Then we see James Gordon looking surprised because while the city was now hailing Batman as a hero by building him a statue, there was no purpose to owning a bat signal if there is no Batman to come. By leaving John Blake the coordinates to the Batcave and restoring the bat-signal, he was gesturing to Gordon that if ever the city needs Batman, he'll be there. It's obvious that he's looking around for Batman after finding it restored. We also see before hand ...Alfred, James Gordon, Fox & Blake at his burial an Alfred starts crying and saying that he failed bruce's parents in which in he didn't which he later found out.

Later on we see they left something for Alfred when they're dividing up Bruce Wayne's assets, they note that Martha Wayne's pearl necklace is missing. If you recall, there's a tracking device on it. I've read that it's implied that Alfred followed the transmission, leading him to that cafe in Italy. Only then he notices Bruce along with Selina Kyle at a table an gives him the head nod as if the image he had in his head from earlier in the movie were true because bruce came thru in the end an saved everything himself. Though to the public eye bruce was dead and so was batman until Gotham needed him again. Funny thing is most people forgot the device he gave to her to wipe her identity and crime records from the system entirely so nobody would know about her anymore.

Finally in the end we see Blake in the bat cave trying to figure that place out only then he steps on the platform which indicates... "The Dark Knight Rises".

If people ask you why or how can James Blake become batman himself without training ...the answer is simple an it came from when Ra's Al Ghul said this to Bruce in the Batman Begins movie....""The training is nothing, the will is everything. The will to act."

 

[thenammagazine]

Stupid question..How did Blake figure out Wayne was Bats?
Apart from "recognizing...that look"?

Bale has a distinctive mouth and lisp. Plus the mole on the side of his nose. It's reaching but I got the sense that Blake really studied the photos of Batman and seeing Bruce, would recognize those small traits.

Here is a nice bit of explanation of the ending. Couple of bits there that I didn't think of (including the tracker and the will to act)

Shouldn't have needed that though.

 

[Blood Electricity]

I didn't mind the flashbacks. I felt like they were down tastefully. it wasn't like a recap..more like a character remembering that moment. I liked when gordon was speaking and they showed harvey flip over to his un-burnt side.

 

[Ziggie]

I know Bane was raging when Batman started breaking his mask, but how was he able to punch holes in a stone pillar?

 

[RED5150]

The flashbacks are all thru Batman Begins, and to me this was more of a sequel to Batman Begins because a lot of the stuff in this one has been foreshadowed in Begins. If you take the Dent Act stuff out this could have been a direct sequel.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

I don't think people would've gotten it wrong if it weren't for Inception. They know Nolan can screw with your head, so they doubt their own understanding. People don't take Nolan movies at face value anymore ... which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

My wife asked if the ending was real.

SnakeDoc

 

[Fernandofan08]

I know Bane was raging when Batman started breaking his mask, but how was he able to punch holes in a stone pillar?

he took the top casting off which looked rather thin. Probably in his rage, the fact his mask was punctured and the pain was oming through he wouldnt feel it. So just went all out.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

The flashbacks are all thru Batman Begins, and to me this was more of a sequel to Batman Begins because a lot of the stuff in this one has been foreshadowed in Begins. If you take the Dent Act stuff out this could have been a direct sequel.

There was at least one Two Face flashback.

If you take the Dent Act stuff out, the beginning of the movie wouldn't make sense. Why did he retire? Why are the cops after him so hardcore? Where are all the mobsters?

The movie is very related to BB ... but it started where TDK left off. Without TDK, the setting makes no sense.

SnakeDoc

 

[jye4ever]

Flashbacks are not always just for dummies, if used effectively they can stir up emotions.

 

[thenammagazine]

There was at least one Two Face flashback.

If you take the Dent Act stuff out, the beginning of the movie wouldn't make sense. Why did he retire? Why are the cops after him so hardcore? Where are all the mobsters?

The movie is very related to BB ... but it started where TDK left off. Without TDK, the setting makes no sense.

SnakeDoc

It still makes little sense when looked at by itself because Nolan didn't show WHY all the stuff from TDK happened.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

It still makes little sense when looked at by itself because Nolan didn't show WHY all the stuff from TDK happened.

I'm not sure they needed to. The Joker pushed Two Face over the edge ... but it was Two Face that did the real damage, and Batman took the blame. Joker was at least two people removed from the fallout.

Dent was responsible for several murders, and Batman and Gordon were responsible for the cover-up. The Joker killings were a closed case ... that one was ongoing.

SnakeDoc

 

[DarkMagic]

Shouldn't have needed that though.

It wasn't needed...for most of us anyway. But you've seen the posters here injecting Inception and ambiguity into a pretty damn unambiguous ending regarding whether or not Bruce is really alive.

I didn't mind the flashbacks. I felt like they were down tastefully. it wasn't like a recap..more like a character remembering that moment. I liked when gordon was speaking and they showed harvey flip over to his un-burnt side.

Flashbacks are not always just for dummies, if used effectively they can stir up emotions.

Exactly. The flashbacks in this were just a couple seconds long each and IIRC there was no replayed dialogue. I didn't even interpret it as Chris Nolan talking down to the audience or trying to "remind" them of scenes they are already aware of (hence--no full replay of old scenes) but rather, as Blood Electricity and jye said...it's showing us what the character (mostly Jim Gordon) is thinking in the moment in spite of/in support of his dialogue at the moment (in spite of his speech when he is praising Harvey Dent/ in support of when he realizes Bruce Wayne is Batman).

 

[Mister Ski]

Nah, I'm done with slowpoke. I'll just keep reporting his posts and letting the mods see what he's doing.

The ignore feature can be your best friend.

Seems like everyday I am adding another numbnut to it.

 

[thenammagazine]

I'm not sure they needed to. The Joker pushed Two Face over the edge ... but it was Two Face that did the real damage, and Batman took the blame. Joker was at least two people removed from the fallout.

Dent was responsible for several murders, and Batman and Gordon were responsible for the cover-up. The Joker killings were a closed case ... that one was ongoing.

SnakeDoc

It's just odd that Crane would bridge all three films and the catalyst for the second would not.

It wasn't needed...for most of us anyway. But you've seen the posters here injecting Inception and ambiguity into a pretty damn unambiguous ending regarding whether or not Bruce is really alive.

That's because at the moment, they're oxygen deprived, lock-jawed and can't see through Nolan's pelvis to understand that not everything the man does is "deep." How many of those fools thought and still think TDK was about Joker and Batman?

 

[IrishJedi]

Flashbacks are not always just for dummies, if used effectively they can stir up emotions.

Well, in this film all the flashbacks did was impede the emotions because they were jarring, tedious and contrived.

The bit at the end when Gordon figures out Batman is Bruce Wayne would have been so much more powerful without the dumb flashback. Oldman was selling that on his own. It was absolutely unnecessary and not only ruined the emotional impact of the moment it pulled me right out of it.