The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[DarkMagic]

Okay, in BB when Bruce returns from Princeton how old is he?

If he is in college I'd say his age is around say, 20-21 then he disappears for seven years, returns to gotham when he is 27. In BB he has his 30th birthday. So maybe 2-3 years course time in BB.

It's really difficult to come up with a solid timeline for The Dark Knight Trilogy. Several official sources and clues within the films contradict each other and themselves. Sorry if it looks like I am taking this too seriously, but I think it's a fun exercise.

According to The Dark Knight Manual:

November 8, 1983 - Thomas and Martha Wayne Murdered according to their casefile --I can't actually find it saying the year was 1983, but the very next page of the case file, the "Report of Examination" is dated June 29, 1984..so it had to be after the murders, which therefore had to be at least in the November of the previous year, (if not sooner). Interestingly, this contradicts the timestamp date on all of the photos of the crime in progress June 26, 1984 [How did the GCPD get these photos?---that's another matter entirely.]

I don't think the period from his return to Gotham to the end of Batman Begins takes place over three years. There is nothing in the film to suggest that much time has passed, but on the other hand, I can't think of anything definitively that says it was shorter, so you might be right.

I personally always thought it was a very short time...a few weeks or months max...he comes back, gets a feel for Gotham, gets a job and Wayne Enterprises, invents Batman, celebrates his 30th birthday, defeats Ra's Al Ghul.

I also assumed that Batman Begins takes place in the same year that the movie was released, 2005. (I'll explain why in a bit). Working backwards from that, we know he left Gotham/dropped out of Princeton 7 years earlier (Alfred said he was gone for 7 years), 1998...when he was 23, I always figured he was a grad student or something. Bruce was therefore born 23 years earlier...1975...meaning his parents murder on November 8, 1983 occured when he was about 8 years old.

Based on Joker's "A year ago..." line from TDK, I guessed the events of that film took place in 2006. We know that TDKR is eight years later, so I guess the events of that film happened (err, are yet to happen ) in 2014.

**Anyone catch the dates on the newspapers in BB and TDK? That would go a long way to establishing some anchors.**

 

[Frank]

Hardy's body language was top-knotch for this. His eyes sold the character.

Hardy was pretty fun to watch even with all the quirks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnZRU8RahTY

Well done! Just imagine, Bale is finally free to do a Machinist prequel!

It's time to suffer for your art again!

 

[DevilinthePaleMoonlite]

OK my question is about the Prison? What type of Prison was it? I guess I don't understand why the same prison that Banes face was damaged in would just allow Bruce Wayne to come in and rehabilitate there? And why would Bruce Wayne drop a rope down once he makes it out so the prisoners could be free? Was it just some type of political prison? How come the once ruthless prisoners don't seem that way at all toward Bruce?

 

[MasterSafara]

OK my question is about the Prison? What type of Prison was it? I guess I don't understand why the same prison that Banes face was damaged in would just allow Bruce Wayne to come in and rehabilitate there? And why would Bruce Wayne drop a rope down once he makes it out so the prisoners could be free? Was it just some type of political prison? How come the once ruthless prisoners don't seem that way at all toward Bruce?

Bane helped Talia escape that's why they beat his face in. Yea Bruce dropped the rope so the rest of em' could escape.

 

[DiFabio]

It's really difficult to come up with a solid timeline for The Dark Knight Trilogy. Several official sources and clues within the films contradict each other and themselves. Sorry if it looks like I am taking this too seriously, but I think it's a fun exercise.

According to The Dark Knight Manual:

November 8, 1983 - Thomas and Martha Wayne Murdered according to their casefile --I can't actually find it saying the year was 1983, but the very next page of the case file, the "Report of Examination" is dated June 29, 1984..so it had to be after the murders, which therefore had to be at least in the November of the previous year, (if not sooner). Interestingly, this contradicts the timestamp date on all of the photos of the crime in progress June 26, 1984 [How did the GCPD get these photos?---that's another matter entirely.]

I don't think the period from his return to Gotham to the end of Batman Begins takes place over three years. There is nothing in the film to suggest that much time has passed, but on the other hand, I can't think of anything definitively that says it was shorter, so you might be right.

I personally always thought it was a very short time...a few weeks or months max...he comes back, gets a feel for Gotham, gets a job and Wayne Enterprises, invents Batman, celebrates his 30th birthday, defeats Ra's Al Ghul.

I also assumed that Batman Begins takes place in the same year that the movie was released, 2005. (I'll explain why in a bit). Working backwards from that, we know he left Gotham/dropped out of Princeton 7 years earlier (Alfred said he was gone for 7 years), 1998...when he was 23, I always figured he was a grad student or something. Bruce was therefore born 23 years earlier...1975...meaning his parents murder on November 8, 1983 occured when he was about 8 years old.

Based on Joker's "A year ago..." line from TDK, I guessed the events of that film took place in 2006. We know that TDKR is eight years later, so I guess the events of that film happened (err, are yet to happen ) in 2014.

**Anyone catch the dates on the newspapers in BB and TDK? That would go a long way to establishing some anchors.**

The Dark Knight takes place in 2008.

The Dark Knight Rises takes place in 2013-2014 (During the times that the Gotham Civil War exhibit is open)

Don't try and figure it out, none of it makes sense. The three films don't match up. They don't go together because they were shot at different times with different goals in mind. The only reoccurring element in all three film's is Bruce Wayne's journey, i.e. his characterization and arc.

Other than that, the worlds of Begins, TDK, and TDKR don't connect. TDKR even goes as far as retconning certain elements of the movie to make it add up.

The biggest problem is Jimmy Gordon. He's an infant in Batman Begins but is suddenly an 8 year old kid in TDK which takes place a year later.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

OK my question is about the Prison? What type of Prison was it? I guess I don't understand why the same prison that Banes face was damaged in would just allow Bruce Wayne to come in and rehabilitate there? And why would Bruce Wayne drop a rope down once he makes it out so the prisoners could be free? Was it just some type of political prison? How come the once ruthless prisoners don't seem that way at all toward Bruce?

Bane's face wasn't damaged. I thought his back or something was injured -- and the mask was to supply constant painkillers because the attempted repair went wrong.

As I understand it, those (mostly) weren't the same prisoners that were down there with Bane and Talia. Most of the prisoners -- except those Bane had a grudge against (like the doctor that screwed up) -- were released at the same time Bane was. The guys in the prison now were just people Bane was angry at. Wayne was freeing political prisoners -- not the same people that tried to tear apart Bane and Talia.

SnakeDoc

 

[DevilinthePaleMoonlite]

Bane's face wasn't damaged. I thought his back or something was injured -- and the mask was to supply constant painkillers because the attempted repair went wrong.

As I understand it, those (mostly) weren't the same prisoners that were down there with Bane and Talia. Most of the prisoners -- except those Bane had a grudge against (like the doctor that screwed up) -- were released at the same time Bane was. The guys in the prison now were just people Bane was angry at. Wayne was freeing political prisoners -- not the same people that tried to tear apart Bane and Talia.

SnakeDoc

So Ra's freed Bane? And took him into the league of Shadows right? Wasn't that after Talia had escaped though? Did Talia tell her father about the Prison and here protector and he went there and freed Bane?

 

[krec9]

So Ra's freed Bane? And took him into the league of Shadows right? Wan't that after Talia had escaped though?

ras didn't want bane in the league something to do with his wife ,then talia is pissed at her father .

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Based on Joker's "A year ago..." line from TDK, I guessed the events of that film took place in 2006. We know that TDKR is eight years later, so I guess the events of that film happened (err, are yet to happen ) in 2014.

I think people are misinterpreting the "A year ago ..." line. Doesn't necessarily mean Batman started a year ago ... it may only mean that the mobsters had control until a year ago. When BB left off, the city was in chaos. It could've taken two years from then for Batman to get control of the narrows, the Arkham escapees, and all the Gotham citizens infected by Scarecrows poison.

Batman had quite a bit of cleanup to do before taking on the mob -- and the mob had some work to do to get control of themselves after Falcone fell.

SnakeDoc

 

[DevilinthePaleMoonlite]

ras didn't want bane in the league something to do with his wife ,then talia is pissed at her father .

What to do with his wife?

 

[SnakeDoctor]

So Ra's freed Bane? And took him into the league of Shadows right? Wasn't that after Talia had escaped though? Did Talia tell her father about the Prison and here protector and he went there and freed Bane?

Maybe. The movie wasn't all that clear on how Bane got out. I guessed that Talia came back for him.

SnakeDoc

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Maybe. The movie wasn't all that clear on how Bane got out. I guessed that Talia came back for him.

SnakeDoc

...um yes it was. They showed it in the flash backs. Ras raided the prison, they showed a disfigured Bane sitting there. Talia then explains that after Ras had let Bane into the league of Shadows he excommunicated him for loving his daughter.

 

[ZaCHw117]

The biggest problem is Jimmy Gordon. He's an infant in Batman Begins but is suddenly an 8 year old kid in TDK which takes place a year later.

Who says that was Jimmy crying in that scene?

Bane's face wasn't damaged. I thought his back or something was injured -- and the mask was to supply constant painkillers because the attempted repair went wrong.

It was definetly his face... You see a whole series of shots showing the doctor peel open the covers on his face, blood seeping through it when Ras finds him etc.

So Ra's freed Bane? And took him into the league of Shadows right? Wasn't that after Talia had escaped though? Did Talia tell her father about the Prison and here protector and he went there and freed Bane?

That's exactly what happened, Ras didn't know his wife was sent to the pit so that he could be free.

I think people are misinterpreting the "A year ago ..." line. Doesn't necessarily mean Batman started a year ago ...

Was just gonna say that, actually.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

...um yes it was. They showed it in the flash backs. Ras raided the prison, they showed a disfigured Bane sitting there. Talia then explains that after Ras had let Bane into the league of Shadows he excommunicated him for loving his daughter.

It was definetly his face... You see a whole series of shots showing the doctor peel open the covers on his face, blood seeping through it when Ras finds him etc.

"... but, I've been wrong before."

Heh. Guess I glossed over that part. What can ya do? Always room for a second viewing.

SnakeDoc

 

[Moonloop]

It was definetly his face... You see a whole series of shots showing the doctor peel open the covers on his face, blood seeping through it when Ras finds him.

Didn't we see a long scar on Bane's back in the scene where Gordon is brought to him.

I think there was more injury to Bane than we were told in the story.

 

[DevilinthePaleMoonlite]

...um yes it was. They showed it in the flash backs. Ras raided the prison, they showed a disfigured Bane sitting there. Talia then explains that after Ras had let Bane into the league of Shadows he excommunicated him for loving his daughter.

So then Ras and Bane just kept the people they wanted in the prison such as the Doctor who failed Bane in surgery, and the rest were let free? Thus the pit became Bane and Talia's personal prison used as a tool for those they wanted to punish?

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

So then Ras and Bane just kept the people they wanted in the prison such as the Doctor who failed Bane in surgery, and the rest were let free? Thus the pit became Bane and Talia's personal prison used as a tool for those they wanted to punish?

Why the prison was still in use was not explained. But considering Bane seems to come and go as he pleases we can infer that he keeps people there, that could be true or not.

 

[DevilinthePaleMoonlite]

It was definetly his face... You see a whole series of shots showing the doctor peel open the covers on his face, blood seeping through it when Ras finds him etc.



That's exactly what happened, Ras didn't know his wife was sent to the pit so that he could be free.



Was just gonna say that, actually.[/QUOTE]

Ras wife was sent to the Pit so he could be free from what? And did he know his wife was pregnant with Talia at the time? Also how did Talia know who her father was when she escaped the PIT? How did she know who to look for?

 

[DiFabio]

I think people are misinterpreting the "A year ago ..." line. Doesn't necessarily mean Batman started a year ago ... it means that the mobsters had control until a year ago. When BB left off, the city was in chaos. It could've taken two years from then for Batman to get control of the narrows, the Arkham escapees, and all the Gotham citizens infected by Scarecrows poison.

Batman had quite a bit of cleanup to do before taking on the mob -- and the mob had some work to do to get control of themselves after Falcone fell.

SnakeDoc

The "let's wind the clocks back a year" line isn't being misinterpreted. The whole point of Joker meeting with the mob is because of Batman.

"I know why you choose to have your group therapy sessions in broad day light, I know why you're afraid to go out at night. The Batman. Batman has shown Gotham your true colors unfortunately."

The other one, in relation to Batman and the mob is also summed up with Joker's lines while on television,

"The mob ground out a little profit and the police tried to shut them down, one block at a time. And it was so... boring."

Before Batman showed up, cops and lawyers wouldn't even make attempts to go after the mob. Remember Rachel and District Attorney Carl Finch? They try going after Falcone and then Finch is killed when he comes across the microwave emitter.

Dent is Finch's successor. It wouldn't take the city two years to find another District Attorney.

And besides, according to the Gotham Times TDK and Begins is even less than a year apart. The first issue has a story about a girl dealing with the effects of Fear Toxin only weeks after Ra's Al Ghul's attack on the city.. The second issue mentions an event that will "run through the end of summer".

It's 6 months, all gearing up for the events of TDK and Dent's election.

Like I said, none of it really adds up. It's best to just take each film as it is and judge them by themselves. There's too many inconsistencies with the worlds, cities, themes, characters, actors, stories and visuals for them to all take place in this nice, neat world.

The only thing that is the same throughout is the characterization and arc of Bruce Wayne/Batman.

 

[DiFabio]

Who says that was Jimmy crying in that scene?

The script.


It's clearly his wife feeding their son. Jimmy from Begins is straight out of Year One. He is Gordon's infant son that Wayne saves when he's thrown over a bridge.

Seeing as though Batman Begins was heavily influenced by Year One and the script says the boy is his son, yeah, it's his son.


The films don't add up. Period. Not that that's a bad thing. Nolan just made each story on their own terms. It's similar to the comics where there really isn't canon or specific history.