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Now I'm waiting for the HT Catwoman figure
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Deckard
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Thing is Heath Ledger acting choice aside, he was still The Joker. A character thats existed for a long time and was already an icon. Batman and the Joker, Peanut Butter and Jelly. They go hand in hand. They have an insanely rich, well known history togeather reaching back as long as most remember the character of Batman.
And Ras is very important as well. W/O Ras there is no Batman, no one trained him, no Talia and thus, no son Damion in the comics. Pretty important.
Now you got Bane who broke his back once. It just doesn't stack up, I really hope he's just a quick secondary villain like scarecrow in TDK.
Thing is Heath Ledger acting choice aside, he was still The Joker. A character thats existed for a long time and was already an icon. Batman and the Joker, Peanut Butter and Jelly. They go hand in hand. They have an insanely rich, well known history togeather reaching back as long as most remember the character of Batman.
And Ras is very important as well. W/O Ras there is no Batman, no one trained him, no Talia and thus, no son Damion in the comics. Pretty important.
Now you got Bane who broke his back once. It just doesn't stack up, I really hope he's just a quick secondary villain like scarecrow in TDK.
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Russell1982
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I might be worng, but ra's never trained batman in the comics, that was just something they made up for the movie. Like making ducard and ra's the same person.
I might be worng, but ra's never trained batman in the comics, that was just something they made up for the movie. Like making ducard and ra's the same person.
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I learned my lesson the last time, like many fans, I questioned the choice of Heath Ledger as the Joker when it was first announced, and look how that turned out? Turned out that Ledger's Joker is my all time favorite movie character. I have total confidence in Nolan.
I'm thinking Bane could be a good character if done right, could fit the "dark" feeling of the movies.
I am kinda hoping they change the name of it though, TDKR just seems too busy for me.
I'd prefer something simple like someone mentioned earlier, 'Batman Ends'...
I learned my lesson the last time, like many fans, I questioned the choice of Heath Ledger as the Joker when it was first announced, and look how that turned out? Turned out that Ledger's Joker is my all time favorite movie character. I have total confidence in Nolan.
I'm thinking Bane could be a good character if done right, could fit the "dark" feeling of the movies.
I am kinda hoping they change the name of it though, TDKR just seems too busy for me.
I'd prefer something simple like someone mentioned earlier, 'Batman Ends'...
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Yeah, crap. I saw your post, replied and didn't even realize two people got their posts in before me.
Sorry about that.
Yeah, crap. I saw your post, replied and didn't even realize two people got their posts in before me.
Sorry about that.
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But again, your comparing an iconic pop culture character that already existed for 40-50 years to Bane.
Look I love Heath, he is my Joker, but basically what he did was brought the look and voice. The behavior was the Joker's own established behavior. Yes Heath was incredible with his little subtle things he brought to the role, his expressions and ticks like licking etc, but the Joker lore was already there. The Man Who Laughs, Killing Joke, Long Halloween etc.
I don't see that same level of iconic imagery to draw from for Bane short of the back breaking. I don't think the Heath arguement applies to Bane, its not Tom Hardy I have a problem with.
But again, your comparing an iconic pop culture character that already existed for 40-50 years to Bane.
Look I love Heath, he is my Joker, but basically what he did was brought the look and voice. The behavior was the Joker's own established behavior. Yes Heath was incredible with his little subtle things he brought to the role, his expressions and ticks like licking etc, but the Joker lore was already there. The Man Who Laughs, Killing Joke, Long Halloween etc.
I don't see that same level of iconic imagery to draw from for Bane short of the back breaking. I don't think the Heath arguement applies to Bane, its not Tom Hardy I have a problem with.
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I am just relieved Megan Fox did not get the part
I am just relieved Megan Fox did not get the part
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Every villain is a background villain when compared to The Joker.
Personally, I'm stoked about the character choices. I've been waiting a loooooong time to see Bane done right. As for the actors, I have no idea who either of them are, so I really have no opinion.
Every villain is a background villain when compared to The Joker.
Personally, I'm stoked about the character choices. I've been waiting a loooooong time to see Bane done right. As for the actors, I have no idea who either of them are, so I really have no opinion.
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Not excited about Hathaway.
Not excited about Hathaway.
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I'm glad they picked a small, low key villian. It's all about Batman baby!
I'm glad they picked a small, low key villian. It's all about Batman baby!
Kamandi
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It's hard to imagine the third film being as engrossing. The Joker is the most threatening villain Batman has. Two-Face is Batman's second most important heavy.
Catwoman has always been most effective as a supporting character, and she almost always winds up as an anti-hero rather than a true baddie. Bane is a one-note character and will need a lot of expansion (ha! pun!) to be compelling.
TDK was a tragedy both on and off screen. I don't know about anyone else, but I choked up during that last scene with Joker and Batman. That scene accidentally became as much about Ledger as it was about the story on screen.
"Oh, you. You just couldn't let me go, could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You are truly incorruptible, aren't you? Huh? You won't kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever. "
TDK set the bar very high. I hope this can come close.
It's hard to imagine the third film being as engrossing. The Joker is the most threatening villain Batman has. Two-Face is Batman's second most important heavy.
Catwoman has always been most effective as a supporting character, and she almost always winds up as an anti-hero rather than a true baddie. Bane is a one-note character and will need a lot of expansion (ha! pun!) to be compelling.
TDK was a tragedy both on and off screen. I don't know about anyone else, but I choked up during that last scene with Joker and Batman. That scene accidentally became as much about Ledger as it was about the story on screen.
"Oh, you. You just couldn't let me go, could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You are truly incorruptible, aren't you? Huh? You won't kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever. "
TDK set the bar very high. I hope this can come close.
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I'm not sure about Hathaway about Catwoman. She seems to much like a "Cat Person" if that makes any sense. Too meek. I wasn't thrilled with the idea of Ledger either so maybe I should shut my mouth.
I'm not sure about Hathaway about Catwoman. She seems to much like a "Cat Person" if that makes any sense. Too meek. I wasn't thrilled with the idea of Ledger either so maybe I should shut my mouth.
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Everything is subjective. I wouldn't rank Two-Face as Batman's number 2 personally.
In BB, he chose a lesser known villain and a better known villain in Ras and Scarecrow respectively.
In TDK, he chose a instantly known villain and a better known villain in The Joker and Two-Face.
In TDKR, he chose an instantly known villain and a lesser known villain in Catwoman and Bane, a mix from the first two if you look at it.
I have no issues with the selections, the trick is purging the memories of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry (not to mention others) for Anne Hathaway and the monsterous thing they did to Bane in Batman and Robin.
Based on the idea that he was able to take Heath Ledger and the character and propel them to instant fanboy status instantly wiping all other thoughts of the character from pop culture consciousness for a while, I have no doubts in this.
Everything is subjective. I wouldn't rank Two-Face as Batman's number 2 personally.
In BB, he chose a lesser known villain and a better known villain in Ras and Scarecrow respectively.
In TDK, he chose a instantly known villain and a better known villain in The Joker and Two-Face.
In TDKR, he chose an instantly known villain and a lesser known villain in Catwoman and Bane, a mix from the first two if you look at it.
I have no issues with the selections, the trick is purging the memories of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry (not to mention others) for Anne Hathaway and the monsterous thing they did to Bane in Batman and Robin.
Based on the idea that he was able to take Heath Ledger and the character and propel them to instant fanboy status instantly wiping all other thoughts of the character from pop culture consciousness for a while, I have no doubts in this.
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If you are meaning meek I think you mean "mousey" as the turn of phrase but I get what you are saying.
Let me play Devil's Advocate. In Batman Returns Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman was a meek, mousey person until the whole supernatural thing and then became the strong woman she was through the end. In the comics Selina needs her dual identity as much as anyone else, so using a meek, mousey looking person but someone who has shown that they can do action and actual acting chops allows for the duality to take hold.
People think of Hathaway from the Princess Diaries or Get Smart but don't look at the rest of her resume, she has shown she can act, hell she was Oscar buzzing just last year and at least looks the part, so that I'm okay with. I'm more concerned about Bane and the way that Nolan will try to normalize and chuck into realism a villain who is on "toxin" and very much outside of his world to begin with.
If you are meaning meek I think you mean "mousey" as the turn of phrase but I get what you are saying.
Let me play Devil's Advocate. In Batman Returns Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman was a meek, mousey person until the whole supernatural thing and then became the strong woman she was through the end. In the comics Selina needs her dual identity as much as anyone else, so using a meek, mousey looking person but someone who has shown that they can do action and actual acting chops allows for the duality to take hold.
People think of Hathaway from the Princess Diaries or Get Smart but don't look at the rest of her resume, she has shown she can act, hell she was Oscar buzzing just last year and at least looks the part, so that I'm okay with. I'm more concerned about Bane and the way that Nolan will try to normalize and chuck into realism a villain who is on "toxin" and very much outside of his world to begin with.
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Very happy about both casting choices.
I hadn't seen Bane much in comics besides his two one-shots and Knightfall. Knightfall wasn't good, but Bane was good in it. If they treat him like the smart brute that he is, rather than just muscle, he could work wonders in Nolanverse.
Very happy about both casting choices.
I hadn't seen Bane much in comics besides his two one-shots and Knightfall. Knightfall wasn't good, but Bane was good in it. If they treat him like the smart brute that he is, rather than just muscle, he could work wonders in Nolanverse.
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I don't think too many people were thinking about Jack Nicholson or Tommy Lee Jones when they watched TDK. Overwriting people's memory of Schumacher's Bane won't take too much effort.
I don't think too many people were thinking about Jack Nicholson or Tommy Lee Jones when they watched TDK. Overwriting people's memory of Schumacher's Bane won't take too much effort.
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