The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[AMAZEN]

Me, too!

I got tickets for the D-Box seats, so I have seats G-7 and G-8 waiting for me today. No need to get there early.

smart smart man!

 

[jdeezy75]

Saw it! But I have a question about the end.

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Was that Selina Kyle sitting with Bruce at the table in the cafe?

 

[Dark Passenger]

Saw it! But I have a question about the end.

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Was that Selina Kyle sitting with Bruce at the table in the cafe?

Yes it was.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

I really enjoyed it alot more the second time. My main beef is still how the villains were used.

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Bane and Talia were rich, compelling villains from the comics, and Nolan turned them into generic, vaguely Middle Eastern terrorists who want to kill everyone because they can. Sure Talia is technically Middle Eastern and a terrorist, but she was way more complex and sympathetic in the comics and animated series. Here she's just a generic revenge-driven bad guy whose motive is "You killed my father! Prepare to die!"

The Bane of the comics could have an epic built around him. Here, he's used as a generic muscle-bound henchman who inexplicably sounds like an English gentleman despite ostensibly being an Arab raised in a prison. Ok.

 

[KBA]

I really enjoyed it alot more the second time. My main beef is still how the villains were used.

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Bane and Talia were rich, compelling villains from the comics, and Nolan turned them into generic, vaguely Middle Eastern terrorists who want to kill everyone because they can. Sure Talia is technically Middle Eastern and a terrorist, but she was way more complex and sympathetic in the comics and animated series. Here she's just a generic revenge-driven bad guy whose motive is "You killed my father! Prepare to die!"

The Bane of the comics could have an epic built around him. Here, he's used as a generic muscle-bound henchman who inexplicably sounds like an English gentleman despite ostensibly being an Arab raised in a prison. Ok.

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I was disappointed that was all it really boiled down to in the end. If the league of shadows existed to expunge corruption where normal means of justice failed, what was the point of destroying a peace time Gotham where the Dent Act was working just fine? Didn't seem to me like 'the city is beyond saving and must be allowed to die' at the beginning of the film. Bane and Ra's daughter wouldn't had known the Act was a hoax from Gordon's letter until their plan was well underway.

 

[DarkMagic]

I really enjoyed it alot more the second time. My main beef is still how the villains were used.

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Bane and Talia were rich, compelling villains from the comics, and Nolan turned them into generic, vaguely Middle Eastern terrorists who want to kill everyone because they can. Sure Talia is technically Middle Eastern and a terrorist, but she was way more complex and sympathetic in the comics and animated series. Here she's just a generic revenge-driven bad guy whose motive is "You killed my father! Prepare to die!"

The Bane of the comics could have an epic built around him. Here, he's used as a generic muscle-bound henchman who inexplicably sounds like an English gentleman despite ostensibly being an Arab raised in a prison. Ok.

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Besides the point that Ra's Al Ghul means the Demon's Head in Arabic, but I got nothing from Batman Begins or TDKR that showed that he (and by extension, Talia) is of Middle Eastern descent. He's a white guy with an accent (English, not Middle Eastern) who trains with ninjas at a monastery in Bhutan, Asia. The name, or more accurately title, Ra's Al Ghul seems to be something he adopted along the way in his travels/training...not something he had because he was born Arabic.

As for Talia being a generic, revenge driven badguy, it is true she say Bruce as the murderer of her father and wanted revenge for that, but it also appears she was estranged from her father because of his shunning of her protector, Bane. As she dies, she expresses happiness that beyond just getting personal revenge on Batman by killing him, she succeeded in destroying his city (or so she believes) and thus, fulfilling her father's legacy and the mission of the League of Shadows. So yes, she was after revenge...and so much more.

 

[NewGoblin23]

Can somebody who knows more about the movies quickly correct me on this?

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Didn't Bruce's Mother's necklace break when she was murdered? So how is it in perfect shape when Selina steals it?

 

[DarkMagic]

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I was disappointed that was all it really boiled down to in the end. If the league of shadows existed to expunge corruption where normal means of justice failed, what was the point of destroying a peace time Gotham where the Dent Act was working just fine? Didn't seem to me like 'the city is beyond saving and must be allowed to die' at the beginning of the film. Bane and Ra's daughter wouldn't had known the Act was a hoax from Gordon's letter until their plan was well underway.

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Yeah, I agree. Gordon's written speech was a rather convenient deus ex machina for Bane to use as "justification" to the people of Gotham for what he was doing. If Bane never found out about the Harvey lie, how could he justify to the Gothamites that releasing and arming the Blackgate prisoners was anything more than promoting anarchy and building his army? It certainly wasn't helping them "take back their city".

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

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Besides the point that Ra's Al Ghul means the Demon's Head in Arabic, but I got nothing from Batman Begins or TDKR that showed that he (and by extension, Talia) is of Middle Eastern descent. He's a white guy with an accent (English, not Middle Eastern) who trains with ninjas at a monastery in Bhutan, Asia. The name, or more accurately title, Ra's Al Ghul seems to be something he adopted along the way in his travels/training...not something he had because he was born Arabic.

As for Talia being a generic, revenge driven badguy, it is true she say Bruce as the murderer of her father and wanted revenge for that, but it also appears she was estranged from her father because of his shunning of her protector, Bane. As she dies, she expresses happiness that beyond just getting personal revenge on Batman by killing him, she succeeded in destroying his city (or so she believes) and thus, fulfilling her father's legacy and the mission of the League of Shadows. So yes, she was after revenge...and so much more.

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The Ra's of the comics is clearly Middle Eastern, but I think Nolan deliberately white-washed him since an obvious Arab guy launching a terrorist attack on Gotham would be too controversial. His ethnicity in the film universe is debatable, but there are light-skinned people in the Mid East and Central Asia with blue or green eyes. Ra's is obviously highly educated and well-traveled so his character could go either way.

Talia on the other hand clearly had an Arab mother and exotic enough accent to get that point across.

I'm glad they referenced the Ghuls' Middle Eastern heritage, since I always thought a white guy with an Arab name training ninjas was weird. I just wished they went a little deeper than blowing up a city for the sake of fanaticism.

 

[LoneWolf]

Just finished watching TDKR. Awesome! Nolan again proves he is a master moviemaker. Although there are a lot of things fans would have wanted done, we should really not hope for a storyline that's very faithful to the comics. That will ruin the mystery and fun, since you will already know what will eventually happen.

Bane's husky voice was hard to understand in certain parts, but he still had that supervillain swagger that set the tone throughout the movie.
Lots of surprises, and an ending that really impressed.
I hope Nolan rethinks his decision of putting the 'full stop' in his Batman mythos. His genius can churn out more epic Bats films!!

Can't wait for the Trilogy edition BluRay.

 

[ThorsThunder]

I don't get to see it until tomorrow, altho I may wait until Monday.
That's really shocking about the massacre in Colorado. What a sick person. What was the motive? Anyone heard anything? I just woke up.I heard they cancelled the premiere in Paris last after Nolan and the cast, learned of the shooting.

Pretty crazy for sure

 

[LoneWolf]

I didn't like...

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the angle that even though Batman lives on, Bruce Wayne is dead.

- Did Gordon announce Bruce's identity as Batman to the public?
- Was the burial scene done because the insiders (Lucious, Alfred, Gordon & Blake) assumed Bruce/Batman is dead but did not want the public to know?

People here think it's an Open-Ended storyline but it's not. Batman isn't Batman without a secret identity in Bruce. If Bruce is dead on paper, Batman can do this full-time and where's the fun in that?

Lol @ Bane dying because of Catwoman's Batpod gunfire. Kinda lame to go out like that, not a slow death like Talia.

Sick reference to Crocodile in the sewer. Hehe.

 

[TheGDBatman]

Freaking loved it. Better film than Dark Knight but the Joker was just so classic in that flick. Perfect end to the trilogy.

 

[DarkMagic]

Can somebody who knows more about the movies quickly correct me on this?

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Didn't Bruce's Mother's necklace break when she was murdered? So how is it in perfect shape when Selina steals it?

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Just speculating here, but most likely all of the pieces were collected from the crime scene as evidence in the Joe Chill case. Eventually, after the case was closed and the evidence was no longer needed, the GCPD probably turned all of his parents belongings over to Bruce (or Alfred, if Bruce was too young to legally accept/deal with them). When he was older, he had the necklace repaired, at which time he evidently put it in the "uncrackable" safe to protect it from ever being stolen, and had the tracking device in it, just incase that unlikely scenario actually happened.

One thing that kinda surprised me about the ending was

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The big "Aha!" moment when Gordon realized that Batman is Bruce Wayne. I was so sure he suspected since Begins. He's supposed to be a smart detective. In BB, he According to DA Finch, it was "all over the news" that Bruce Wayne is back, so this must be at least of passing significance to Gordon, who had some connection to the kid since he personally knows of his tragedy since he tried to comfort him on the night of the Wayne murders. Wayne is back in town around the same time that the ski-mask vigilante first makes contact with Gordon, and on the same exact day in fact that Batman makes the paper for stringing up Falcone on the floodlight. Then later this "drunk billionaire" also burns down his house (conveniently after kicking out all witnesses) earlier on the same night that Batman has a big battle to save the city. Even if the evidence pointing to Batman's identity for Gordon in Begins is reaching...there are too many "coincidences" for him to overlook in TDK. (He says something like "a detective doesn't believe in coincidences" in TDKR) He seems to be onto it by the end of TDK.

There had to be a police interview of witnesses during the investigation of what happened when the Joker invaded Wayne's penthouse. "So, the host/owner Wayne was definitely there?" "Yes he arrived by helicopter and made a short speech for Harvey. Then a short time later the Joker showed up. I didn't see where Wayne went but that couple over there said he retreated to a panic room. And then Batman showed up." Later on in the film-- "Bruce Wayne, isn't it?" (*wink, wink* even if you weren't already one of the most famous people in Gotham, I've met you before, of course I recognize you) "That was brave thing you did." "What trying to catch the light?" "You weren't protecting the van?" (*wink, wink*). "Why who's in it?...think I should get to a hospital?" "You don't watch a lot of news, do you Mr. Wayne?" *wink, wink*. Not to mention the prophetic message he gave Reese earlier "Well, maybe the Batman will save you."...and "the Batman" does.

Yeah, I was kinda surprised (and a little disappointed) that it took this long and Batman practically spelling it out for him for Gordon to finally realize who he is, with all of the clues and "coincidences" right under his nose from the beginning.

 

[intothevoid]

I agree about the aha moment, surprised me but didn't bother me

 

[cerealkeller]

You know what. ____ this prick. I was going to wait until this evening to see the film but I'm going to leave now and watch this mother ____er on repeat for everyone that didn't get to and for everyone who will never get to now because of this assclown. I'll see you _____es on the otherside and I'll pour one out (cherry coke) at my theater for the victims.

Best post about this tragedy Blaming "Nolancompoops" is just stupid. Let one idiot ruin a film about hope and healing is just wrong. If this guy was such an obsessed fanboy, wouldn't he wait until after he saw the f'ing movie to go on a killing spree?! Don't let one mother____er ruin the film experience that should be a positive one. I am going to see this on the only true IMAX in Minnesota today and yes, it will feel weird enjoying it but I'm not letting a deranged lunatic ruin a movie that sends a positive message.

 

[jye4ever]

I agree about the aha moment, surprised me but didn't bother me

Going to go see with wife now at Imax, my second.

Nolan finally directed his Bond movie.

 

[mistermadhouse]

Hey guys, question for you:

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Did Selina have the pearl necklace on at the end at the cafe? Too tired to remember.

 

[wofford29]

Great ____ing movie. Round two coming up.

 

[Devil_666]

So I heard this movie is killing at the box office.