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[Kamandi]

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Bond films have their own quirks. Even before the Craig films there were films that played loose with continuity. Nobody ever obsessed about new actors taking over, whether it was Bond or Blofeld or Moneypenny, etc... Quantum is clearly an updated SPECTRE.

Batman doesn't need a re-boot but the audience will at some point need to let it bend rules the same way when connecting to it's previous films. Otherwise we're going to get a new "first" film every ten years or so.

As for the JLA, I'd like to see it done. But I always want a stand-alone Batman series as well. I don't want the two franchises to compromise for each other.

 

[Russell1982]

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Bond films have their own quirks. Even before the Craig films there were films that played loose with continuity. Quantum is clearly an updated SPECTRE.

Batman doesn't need a re-boot but the audience will need to let it bend rules occasionally when connecting to it's previous films.

As for the JLA, I'd like to see it done. But I always want a stand-alone Batman series as well. I don't want the two franchises to compromise for each other.

Yeah, the Bond thing isnt the best example, i just meant as an ongoing series of films, with the same team coming back. Of course thats only if there is a team that can get the formula right. Right actor, director, writers, design team etc.

As for JLA, its just not something im interested in and i wouldnt want a JLA film to "taint" for want of a better word, the view of batman as a serious character. In the way the films and comics started show him as a serious, dark, complex character and not the silly, campy superhero that a lot of people saw him as. I'd hate for a JLA movie to ruin all that and show him as a generic superhero type again. Not that im saying it would, as i said im not a JLA fan so there's probably more to it that i dont know. Just an observation.

 

[IrishJedi]

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you can't have a JLA movie without superman, batman and green lantern. leaving them out would be a lame move

Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman will absolutely be a part of the JUSTICE LEAGUE movie.

 

[Kamandi]

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The Nolan films have Batman alone in the world. The post Nolan films sound like they won't be that way.

I don't think Batman's presence in a JLA film will damage the stand alone series. After all, there already are JLA films going direct to video. They take up a decent share of shelf space at Wal-Mart, so they have been quite visible to Joe Public. The only difference is this new JLA will have a bigger budget and (presumably) live actors.

Iron Man 3 will be a post Avengers film and will go back to it's stand-alone format. There's no reason it won't work for Batman.

 

[Russell1982]

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The Nolan films have Batman alone in the world. The post Nolan films sound like they won't be that way.

I don't think Batman's presence in a JLA film will damage the stand alone series. After all, there already are JLA films going direct to video. They take up a decent share of shelf space at Wal-Mart, so they have been quite visible to Joe Public. The only difference is this new JLA will have a bigger budget and (presumably) live actors.

Iron Man 3 will be a post Avengers film and will go back to it's stand-alone format. There's no reason it won't work for Batman.

Cool, well if they can make a JLA film and not have it affect the stand alone Batman films then im fine with that. Probably wont be my thing but im happy for the people that are excited about it. I just hope they get a good batman film after Nolans trilogy. Whether its a continuation of his films or a re start (hate using the term "reboot") and a new series of films. Just hope its not Schumacherd.

 

[DiFabio]

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I don't really care about canon or continuity. As long as I see an enjoyable Batman film, it doesn't matter.

Actors get older, writers change, new ideas are brought to the table. Batman has been reinvented dozens, and dozens of times. It's foolish to think it wouldn't happen again. However, if you're going to reboot it, then reboot it. Why have Nolan be on board as producer for concepts, designs, stories, development etc.? Done is done.

As far as the JLA goes, I'm not really a fan to be honest. I mean, I like Superman but the only character I really care about is Batman. I prefer Batman taking down criminals solo, or at the very most having Robin be included, not quite sure I'd like Batman involved in a JLA movie.

I'd see it though, it's Batman.


On a different note, how about all this talk about Batman becoming a martyr and dying in TDKR at the end? Might be the reason WB is so quick to call in a reboot for Batman and a JLA film announcement. God I hope not.

Right now all I care about is TDKR. The film is still more than a year off, why should people be bothered with future Batman and JLA films?

 

[Kamandi]

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On a different note, how about all this talk about Batman becoming a martyr and dying in TDKR at the end? Might be the reason WB is so quick to call in a reboot for Batman and a JLA film announcement. God I hope not.

Gary Oldman said in an interview the ending hasn't been printed or shared. He's a far more credible source than some fan rumors.

It also contradicts what Nolan said some time ago that he cannot kill off Batman.

I would actually be OK with Batman dying in Nolan's stand-alone universe. He's going to be back anyways, so why not?

 

[Russell1982]

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I remember ages ago a friend of mine said he reckons nolan will kill off batman at the end of TDKR. I really hope he doesnt. I'd much prefer the idea of the trilogy just basically setting up Batman, so at the end he's just established, a hero etc.

 

[DiFabio]

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Gary Oldman said in an interview the ending hasn't been printed or shared. He's a far more credible source than some fan rumors.

Yeah, that was an interesting interview, especially the bit about the production office being under lock and key with security.

Boy have times changed since the humble, garage setting of "Intimidation Game"/Batman Begins where Nolan, Goyer and the team had to come up with something convincing to be approved by WB.

Smaller, simpler times and it was only, what, 7 years ago?

 

[Russell1982]

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Yeah, that was an interesting interview, especially the bit about the production office being under lock and key with security.

Boy have times changed since the humble, garage setting of "Intimidation Game"/Batman Begins where Nolan, Goyer and the team had to come up with something convincing to be approved by WB.

Smaller, simpler times and it was only, what, 7 years ago?

That's one of the things i loved about Begins. It felt almost like an independent movie.

 

[DiFabio]

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That's one of the things i loved about Begins. It felt almost like an independent movie.

Yeah, the scope of it was huge but it felt more down to earth and smaller then the previous Batman films and The Dark Knight. I know it's meant to be a sequel and "canon" with TDK, but it does feel like a different film.

I know there was hype and anticipation, but it was nothing like it was for this film or TDK. The marketing and promoting wasn't excessive, in fact, many of the films from that summer overshadowed it.

I actually preferred that. I missed the entire script leak and didn't really follow the film (I was hardly on the internet). All I knew was that it was new and I saw the teaser trailer. I went in not expecting much and came out excited for "another one".

Now though, with rumors, an even larger fan base, gossip, and what have you it already feels overblown.

 

[Devil_666]

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Nolan talked about that before. He said that was the reason he was initially hesitant to even consider doing a third film since it would never be able to top TDK either in BO numbers or fan expectations in his opinion. We'll see.

 

[Kamandi]

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Nolan's hesitation is easy to understand. TDK was the Joker, Batman's top villain. Ledger was brilliant. It's hard to go up from there.

 

[DiFabio]

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I would have just quit while I was ahead. You gotta give Nolan credit there, at this point I'd be tired of making these Batman films, Bale too.

The more Nolan's involved, the more he increases his chances of upsetting people, namely die hard fans. Suppose he has one "failure" (something minor could be made larger thanks to the internet), either in this next one or being involved in the production of "reinventing" the Batman film franchise after TDKR. People will _____ and whine and he'll be the sole blame for it. Which isn't fair. Begins and TDK will be put under a microscope if that happens.

I'm optimistic that this one will be good. I'd be fine with it being the same level of quality as Batman Begins. However, I don't think everyone else is going to feel the same way. Most people expect and are ultimately told that this one will "surpass" TDK.

Even if that's somehow true, I see people splitting into two groups regardless. TDK fans and TDKR fans. Let's face it, the driving force in Batman is the Joker. The most successful films, games, cartoons have featured him. To me, that character was the reason TDK is what is.

Obviously there's no Joker, thus it won't be the same film and that will irk people in the end, even though they know damn well that he won't be in it.

I know it's narrow minded, but I can see it happening.

If it's a success, I'd leave it at three. I don't see the point of Nolan coming back to supervise it, it'll be like gambling. Just go with a new direction and leave it that. After TDKR there will have been 7 Batman films (9 if you include the '66 movie and Phantasm) featuring a wide range of tones and directions.

 

[Russell1982]

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Agree with most of that. Certainly with the way i think people will see TDKR. I reckon there'll be a lot of people ready to trash it just because its not got the joker. I actually prefer Begins to TDK but still love TDK,, and im confident nolan wont disappoint with TKDR. Im not expecting anything to surpass TDK, or not live up to it. Just a different film.

Also agree with you're comment about Begins being so different in feel to TDK. I think i remember seeing one poster for Begins, and im not sure if i even saw a trailer for it. But was a huge fan of Bale so was excited for it, and pleasantly surprised in the cinema. When the TDK came out, with all the hype i was excited. But it felt like even the city was a different city. It just had a whole different feel. Not that thats necessarily a bad thing, just different. So im expecting TDKR to just be a different film, not trying too hard to outdo TDK. But im sure there'll still be a lot of people caught up in the hype, and quite possibly be disappointed because they hyped themselves up too much. Or people who are just ready to trash it cos its not TDK and not Ledger and not Joker.

 

[Deckard]

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The way you make this work is by switching the focus away from the villain that can't be topped, to Batman himself and completing his story.

Giving him proper closure and a sufficient story outlook can be just as rewarding as watching Heath blow things up and lick his lips.

I'd be content with an ending where Bruce has redeemed Batman in the eyes of the city and is now there protector, with other threats still out there lurking like Joker in Arkham, maybe Scarecrow etc. And where he is over Rachel enough that he can move on and maybe have something going with Selina.

 

[The Mike]

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Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman will absolutely be a part of the JUSTICE LEAGUE movie.

Originally before the Miller version, DC/WB was kicking around the idea of using the first JLA incarnation which was Aquaman, Green Lantern (Hal), Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter and The Flash.

There are ways to get out of using the Big Two and still have a JLA, that being said it's WB so they'll want to use the Big 7.

 

[intothevoid]

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The way you make this work is by switching the focus away from the villain that can't be topped, to Batman himself and completing his story.

Giving him proper closure and a sufficient story outlook can be just as rewarding as watching Heath blow things up and lick his lips.

I'd be content with an ending where Bruce has redeemed Batman in the eyes of the city and is now there protector, with other threats still out there lurking like Joker in Arkham, maybe Scarecrow etc. And where he is over Rachel enough that he can move on and maybe have something going with Selina.

Makes mucho sense

 

[Kamandi]

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Originally before the Miller version, DC/WB was kicking around the idea of using the first JLA incarnation which was Aquaman, Green Lantern (Hal), Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter and The Flash.

George Miller was told hands off Batman and Superman. He's not producing JLA anymore.

There was an effort underway to re-define the JLA a few years ago when it looked like Miller would get to do his film. In fact, if you watch the DC Animated "New Frontiers" the very last shot is a still image of the "JLA" without Batman or Superman.

 

[The Mike]

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George Miller was told hands off Batman and Superman. He's not producing JLA anymore.

if George Miller was told "hands off" Batman and Superman how come they were casted with DJ Corona as Superman and Armie Hammer as Batman?

Yes Justice League: Mortal is dead. What I was pointing out was before Miller's version they were kicking around the idea of a team without both Bats and Supes. Miller's version incorporated them again but that died as well.

It isn't necessary to include them but WB probably will want to.