The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[jye4ever]

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Wow, I hope Batman takes him out by destroying a train bridge and Ras, along with the train, plummets to his death while Batman swoops out into the air, wing span wide open, gliding away while looking at the tragic events below him.

That would freaking rock

 

[Johnny Utah]

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I could see HT revisiting Batman Begins to hype this film up. They could do Gordon, Ra's and League of Shadows Bruce.

 

[DiFabio]

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Gotta admit though, the film could turn out to be really uninspired if the following things happen.

- the suit is the same (judging by the art for that expo only)

- the logo is pretty much the same (no "theme" just the reg. bat logo with un-exploding blue background)

- League Of Shadows involvement.

- More Hospital involvement.

- Ras coming back in a big way.

- No new vehicle, specifically a new Batmobile.

I mean even the title of the film (which I don't really have a problem with anymore) just doesn't scream originality. It seems like everyone was just trying to cash in on the success of TDK. Par that with the same suit, same logo, same thematic plots etc. and you might have a disappointing film due to the hype that people want it to live up to and ultimately surpass.

I like the fact that each Batman film to date seem like their own film. Batman Begins is stylistically and thematically different than TDK and to me, that's a GOOD thing. If they try and make this like a TDK 2, which it seems like it, then I don't think that will work in the long run. It seemed like for awhile Nolan and his team were done. I thought for certain he would have moved on considering he talked about it after TDK and the fact that it took longer to be a "sure thing" compared to Begins and TDK.

 

[freestylex06x]

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i have doubted nolan many times before, but every time he manages to surprise me. i will not doubt him this time.

 

[intothevoid]

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i have doubted nolan many times before, but every time he manages to surprise me. i will not doubt him this time.

I'm sure the themes will be quite different to TDK

 

[krec9]

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surprise cast member in the dkr spolier .......
https://www.superherohype.com/news/...ise-cast-member-joining-the-dark-knight-rises

 

[DiFabio]

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Yeah. looking more and more like a sure thing. I think this is what the "in the know" people were talking about when they mentioned a HUGE spoiler a few months back.

So I highly doubt that it's simply a flashback since Pence AND Neeson is involved.

This can mean two things,

1. Ras survived the monorail crash

2. He is immortal, the REAL deal Ras.

Kind of kills the ambiguity in Begins, but EVERY movie messes with canon and plot points so it's inevitable. I just hope there isn't some stupid revelation like most third films have like Bane and Bruce are brothers or Ras Al Ghul interfered and somehow is the reason the Wayne's were killed to make the ultimate vigilante. Leave Batman/Bruce Wayne alone, and I'll buy this. I don't want them ____ing with what Begins established by "going full circle". If Ras is really Bruce's father or Ras was the Joker the whole time some crap like that, I'm out.

 

[Agent0028]

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Nolan doesn't strike me as the type do something foolish and stupid like that.

 

[krec9]

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if any of this happens i'l walk out the theater ..

Yeah. looking more and more like a sure thing. I think this is what the "in the know" people were talking about when they mentioned a HUGE spoiler a few months back.

So I highly doubt that it's simply a flashback since Pence AND Neeson is involved.

This can mean two things,

1. Ras survived the monorail crash

2. He is immortal, the REAL deal Ras.

Kind of kills the ambiguity in Begins, but EVERY movie messes with canon and plot points so it's inevitable. I just hope there isn't some stupid revelation like most third films have like Bane and Bruce are brothers or Ras Al Ghul interfered and somehow is the reason the Wayne's were killed to make the ultimate vigilante. Leave Batman/Bruce Wayne alone, and I'll buy this. I don't want them ____ing with what Begins established by "going full circle". If Ras is really Bruce's father or Ras was the Joker the whole time some crap like that, I'm out.

 

[wofford29]

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None of that will happen.

 

[jye4ever]

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Will Batman not dress as Batman even once, that also might happen.

 

[DiFabio]

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Well obviously those things I listed are a bit extreme. Of course Ras wasn't really the Joker.

However, most movies, even the best ones tend to go back and really mess with what has been established. I hope it doesn't happen but what third films don't contain unexpected back stories? Filmmakers always tend to go back to the beginning and tweak things that "didn't happen". Making up history.

Say I went back in time before 1983 and told everyone that Luke and Leia are brother and sister? Or before Spider-Man 3 came out that Sandman really killed Uncle Ben? Or how about the Godfather 3 or the Matrix? People would think I was nuts and wouldn't believe me.

It usually happens. Sins of the fathers stories, bastard sons, this didn't really happen, this did. This character was the mastermind all along.

With that "going back to Begins" and "full circle" comment, I expect something more than just feeling similar to Batman Begins I just hope it doesn't take a dump on Batman/Bruce Wayne or Batman Begins and TDK. Batman should be above all that cliched nonsense.

 

[Agent0028]

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That's what I meant too. I hope Nolan doesn't do anything foolish like that. His movies seem very cerebral, so I don't think he'd go back and force some stupid connection. I'm thinking the full circle is going to be more symbolic or something.

 

[ShadowX81]

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Well as history (and DeFabio's post) pointed out, there have been numerous time in movie history that no one thinks that a certain director or movie franchise can go wrong; until it does.

 

[Agent0028]

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True, but I feel like the Nolan movies I have seen (Batman, Prestiege, Inception), seem to be entirely different than Star Wars and Spider-Man. I think Godfather 3 was directed by someone else wasn't it? I'm not familiar with the Matrix at all, so I can't speak to that. I'm not one who think Nolan is infallible, its completely possible this could be a huge mis-step, I just don't see it from what I've seen of his work.

 

[freestylex06x]

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nolan's movies are known for their story line appeal more than anything to wide audiences. i would not worry about the plot too much.

 

[DiFabio]

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True, but I feel like the Nolan movies I have seen (Batman, Prestiege, Inception), seem to be entirely different than Star Wars and Spider-Man. I think Godfather 3 was directed by someone else wasn't it? I'm not familiar with the Matrix at all, so I can't speak to that. I'm not one who think Nolan is infallible, its completely possible this could be a huge mis-step, I just don't see it from what I've seen of his work.

But Inception, The Prestige, Insomnia, Memento etc. aren't part of the Batman films. They aren't trilogies, they aren't extensions of a story or sequels. They're singular films.

My post was directed at what usually happens in "GOOD" and "BAD" films, and books usually a third or a "trilogy" if you will. It's an unspoken formula which most stories go by.

And yeah, I believe Godfather III was directed by Coppola too.

 

[CelticPredator]

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A Coppola. Not the Coppola...

 

[DiFabio]

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Nic Cage?

 

[meanstreak]

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Not too worried, I have complete faith that Nolan will release another masterpiece.