The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Okay, I'm going to be long-winded but it's difficult to be concise on such a topic. I thought it was a satisfying end to an otherwise mediocre trilogy. Spoilers below!

First, let's talk about the bad:

The CGI. The trolls and many of the orcs were so blatantly CGI it's not even funny. I was taken out of every moment that it was noticeable, which was often. Azog was the biggest offender, just as he was in the previous two films. He gets lots of close ups and looks straight out of a good video game, which unfortunately does not work in a feature film. Bolg, on the other hand, was much more realistic in many of his scenes, but still obviously a CGI creation.

The creature designs. Who approved these things? A troll with one tiny arm and one huge arm? A troll on stilts with chains through its eyes? A pot-bellied, baby-faced troll? I could go on and on. These were just terrible.

Worms and wings. Where have giant worms been the whole series, and how did Azog get them to do his bidding? Why were the bats necessary? Just totally ridiculous in every way, in my opinion.

The weird:

Dain. He was definitely CGI, or at least airbrushed to hell, anytime he had a helmet on, and I have no idea as to why. I'm curious to see if any interviews or behind the scenes footage will reveal why this was done. There were definitely times when Dain was not CGI, though they seemed far fewer.

Dol Galadriel? The battle at Dol Guldur was just...weird for me. I don't know how I feel about it yet. For one, I do feel it a bit unnecessary since none of the three members of the White Council appeared thereafter. I understand that Gandalf needed to be freed, but I feel like this could've been done in other ways. However, I love Cate Blanchett, so I'm always happy to have her onscreen as Galadriel. Unfortunately her brief turn to the dark side, if you could call it that, looked even more odd than it did in the first LOTR film. I would have preferred them to stick closer to the original look than the swamp woman they turned her into for the last Hobbit film. I also had trouble understanding her speech over the sound effects.

Aflrid. I thought there might be some redemption in Alfrid's character considering how he was ultimately treated by the Lake-Town Master, but I guess it's only natural that he not know how to act other than how he did - a greedy coward. Considering the amount of screen time he had, he should've been credited among the main cast.

The last battle. The eagles, Radagast, and Beorn seemingly did nothing, at least nothing much on screen. We see them enter the fray only to cut away and not show them again. I expect more for the extended edition.

The good:

The destruction of Lake-Town. Smaug's hell unleashed on Lake-Town was well done. His death was portrayed very much like I would expect a dragon who was just shot through the heart - he freaked out momentarily, trying to escape by any means possible, climbing higher and higher. His fall upon the Master was magnificent.

Kili and Tauriel. This hotly debated love story never bothered me, and in the end I felt true sorrow for Tauriel. There was a bit of redemption for Thranduil in their final scene together, too, especially after how nasty he'd just been to the she-elf.

Bilbo Baggins. Martin Freeman was wonderful, as always. Enough said. Seeing Ian Holm as Bilbo at the end was really great, too.

The Elven King. Say what you want about Legolas being in these films, but his father's presence was fantastic. Thranduil is cold-hearted and stiff, but beautiful to behold and elegant in every sense of the term. Well done, Lee Pace.

I feel like I went on about the bad, but really I enjoyed the film overall. I would eventually love to cut the movies down to two films, but who knows if I'll ever have the time to do that. We'll see.
 
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****** movie. Sorry Josh. It was crap. And I wanted to love it. :(

Made me appreciate DOS all the more. Although I did lean over and tell Sam, this is when I usually FF, just at the start of the horrendous barrel ride. :lol

We had a ton of fun!
 
Thoughtful, Kyle. It's the first thing I mentioned to the ladies when the film ended. That I'd like to see a fantastic fan edit, once all the EE's are out.

Take out all of Azog! Although that's likely impossible...
 
It was alright. Still do not understand how the effects of 10 years ago look better than the effects in this trilogy. Everything looks hazy, plastic-y, and all around fake. There is no investment in any danger with all the CG creatures running around. Why was Billy Connelly CG in so many shots? It looked ridiculous! I guess overall I am just disappointed in this trilogy. I love The Hobbit book. It's simple and to the point. And it's fun! These films....I just don't find the fun in them. And the stuff they try to add to make it fun like Radagast, and X-Treme Legolas do not amount to much for me. I enjoyed some if it though. Martin Freeman was terrific as Bilbo. His reactions to certain situation had me laughing hard. When he watched Gandalf smoke after the battle, that may be my favorite scene in all of these Hobbit films and there was no dialogue. I'll stick with watching LOTR once a year. These may be an every 5 year viewing.
 
****** movie. Sorry Josh. It was crap. And I wanted to love it. :(

Made me appreciate DOS all the more. Although I did lean over and tell Sam, this is when I usually FF, just at the start of the horrendous barrel ride. :lol

We had a ton of fun!

That's your opinion Andrew. No need to apologize. I'm not gonna like, love, or hate it because you didn't like it.
 
I don't get it, weta worked on the new apes films and they look amazing. Smaug and gollum aside, the cgi in this trilogy is terrible.
 
I don't get it, weta worked on the new apes films and they look amazing. Smaug and gollum aside, the cgi in this trilogy is terrible.

like that video game comparison I posted a while ago... I don't know, even games are starting to look better than blockbusters now
 
I'd be interested in hearing how people are seeing this - HFR is not going to do CGI any favors. But it would be interesting to see if someone sees it digital vs hfr vs IMAX 3d, and we get some comparisons. I'm betting there are clear differences when it comes to the way the CGI characters end up looking. I know I won't be seeing it HFR, and if I see one more 65" tv with blu-rays looking like a damn soap opera, I'm going to tear it off the wall.
 
...Yeah, they're not perfect (I'd give the trilogy an 8.5/10) but I wouldn't give the LOTR Trilogy a perfect score either...

I agree with your Hobbit rating and I agree LotR wasn't perfect either. I would give LotR only a 9.9/10.

I'd be interested in hearing how people are seeing this - HFR is not going to do CGI any favors. But it would be interesting to see if someone sees it digital vs hfr vs IMAX 3d, and we get some comparisons. I'm betting there are clear differences when it comes to the way the CGI characters end up looking. I know I won't be seeing it HFR, and if I see one more 65" tv with blu-rays looking like a damn soap opera, I'm going to tear it off the wall.

I saw in IMAX and didn't really notice the Dain CGI other than the battle stuff. I will look more closely for this when I see it again on Friday.

...Worms and wings. Where have giant worms been the whole series, and how did Azog get them to do his bidding? Why were the bats necessary? Just totally ridiculous in every way, in my opinion.

Both Were-worm and bats were mentioned in the book. Although the bats were at the battle, the Were-worms weren't.

...Unfortunately her brief turn to the dark side, if you could call it that, looked even more odd than it did in the first LOTR film...

I enjoyed that, I thought it was a nice tie-in to the scene in the Fellowship.

...Seeing Ian Holm as Bilbo at the end was really great, too...

Yeah, I enjoyed that very much as well.
 
My favorite part was The White Council battle. I loved seeing Elrond, Saruman, and Lady G. battle it out. An awesome suprise!

I also didn't understand why Dain was CGI though...it looked very fake to me. Orlando Bloom also looked too CGI in some scenes. It was just weird and unnecessary.

Azog and his son looked amazing though. Loved their battles too.
 
The White Council stuff was awesome. I need to write my full thoughts down on that moment when I do my review of the movie.

Legolas like Dain was only cgi in a couple of battle moments. Other than that its really them.

Azog looked good in AUJ but man did they really improve him in the last two. Bolg also has looked great. I am eagerly looking forward to getting that statue from Weta.
 
The worms were in the book? Man, I don't remember that.

They weren't actually in the book, Bilbo just mentions them when talking to Gloin in Bag Eng. So technically although they weren't physically involved there was a reference to them that PJ used. :lol

...Azog looked good in AUJ but man did they really improve him in the last two...

He seemed a lot more pale to me in BoFA than AUJ & DoS and not flesh colored like the Weta Statue.
 
I don't recall that at all. Can you link me to that?

I think some of that has to do with the color grading of the movie.
 
The bats just served no purpose, from what I could tell, besides one carrying Legolas up to the tower. So I didn't understand their importance. And where were they, the circus freak orcs, and the were-worms in the battles from LOTR? That kind of thing bothers me. Jackson created bigger, "better" monsters for these films, which disappear by the time we reach his original trilogy. George Lucas did something similarly.
 
Without reading back, can anyone confirm a BvS trailer in this film? SF, one says yes another says no...

If there was you wouldn't have to ask in here. That news would have been all over the place and in the BvS thread.
 
The bats just served no purpose, from what I could tell, besides one carrying Legolas up to the tower. So I didn't understand their importance. And where were they, the circus freak orcs, and the were-worms in the battles from LOTR? That kind of thing bothers me. Jackson created bigger, "better" monsters for these films, which disappear by the time we reach his original trilogy. George Lucas did something similarly.

They did about the same kind of thing they did in the book. Get a mention and that's it. As Frank said they're in Middle-earth lore though I admit I don't recall them I'll have to look it up. Tolkien outside of this reference doesn't use them in any of the battles for LOTR either so I don't have an issue with that. I don't really have an issue with the way some of these Monsters were used.

Here's a quote from Bilbo on the wereworms. Only thing I think Tolkien mentions about them.

"Tell me what you want done, and I will try it, if I have to walk from here to the East of East and fight the wild Were-worms in the Last Desert."
—Bilbo Baggins, in The Hobbit
 
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