Irvy
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I wonder if they will show how Gandalf got his staff back? Is it radagasts?
The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Bo Shrek
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You know you always hear that "The Hobbit" is a children's book, but is it meant for children to read or parents to read to their kids. I would put it down for "young adults" if read buy children, because children read picture books.
Although my 7 year old son is reading The Hobbit all by himself!!
Although my 7 year old son is reading The Hobbit all by himself!!
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Yep it is Radagast's staff...this should be addressed in the extended edition. I am sure I read somewhere that the escape from Dol Guldur scene is longer and that Radagast hands over the staff to Gandalf before he sets off to Dale.
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Bilbo doesn't tell anyone the truth right away of exactly how he got the ring. The change in it fits that while during The Hobbit movies we see how he "really got the ring.
Does this really bug you? Yes he looks younger. Bfd
He does but he gets into writing in the Red Book and forgets. The dude is 111 years old and has had a magic ring for too long. You can forgive him a bit I think.
Actually Ian Holm doesn't look a lot different. As far as why is Freeman young Bilbo and a totally different person. Even when LOTR was filmed Holm was too old to play young Bilbo.
I guess you can thank Tolkien. He knows Bilbo has a magical ring, that Sauron isn't gone, and does the checking in Minas Tirith. None of that makes him look like an idiot. Elrond had no idea that Bilbo found a ring nor would he have know for sure it was THE ring. It took seeing Bilbo's reaction calling it precious to wonder if the ring hadn't been lost. Again all how Tolkien drew it up.
That's anyone's guess. He gets like one line in the LOTR books. So Jackson did more and explained as much.
He did tell him. Him not telling the name is meant to not spoil and to help protect Aragorn since you know he will be hunted his whole life. Also it wasn't just in Bree he was known as Strider if memory serves me correctly.
I'd have to double check but I think at 26 he may be doing part of his roaming. He doesn't spend his entire life in Rivendell.
She's in Lothlorien during the events of The Hobbit.
He didn't regain his power. Some of it. In this time he's looking to start the process of taking over again and is found out by The White Council. Timeline is different but it happens in the books. He has to start over. When the LOTR timeline hits he realizes the ring has been found and it's time to announce himself to the world.
The Uruks are a bit different breed than the generic orcs and Azog/Bolg have always been super big and taller. Again blame Tolkien.
Jackson should have killed her. Depending on the EE it may be served to just assume she just roams Middle-earth. Easy enough.
Agai who ****ing cares. Legolas in The Hobbit is meant to show a less wiser Legolas and imo helps make his LOTR version better.
They didn't see it coming in the books either. He does all this right under their noses. His treachery takes years to show itself as he does a good job of keeping it hidden.
Is this really an issue? Honestly the battle isn't really mentioned in the LOTR books either.
JYE that's how you teach a masters class.
As far as "matching up" to LOTR is concerned, yes, the actors like Elijah Wood, Orlando Bloom and Ian Holm looking significantly different is bothersome. Gandalf gets a pass, Elrond gets a pass, but some of these other characters just don't look like they fit in. It's obvious they were trying to bridge the two with familiar faces, but I think that back fired and really just looks like an inconsistency.
And yeah, I guess we can blame Tolkien for the White Council/Dol Guldur/Sauron problem. However, it's not like Peter Jackson couldn't have avoided the issue by simply not addressing it at all. Look at the things he cut or made perfect in The Lord of the Rings films by changing or excluding characters and events that didn't make sense?
Now when Galadriel is telling the audience that,
“And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend. Legend became myth.”
Well, it makes Elrond, Galadriel, and Gandalf look bad. These elves and wizard gods have been around for thousands of years, as long as Sauron has. Galadriel knows about the ring, Elrond knew Isildur, they knew about Sauron's bond to the Ring. They're immortal elves and wizards, they have all the time in the world! In Gandalf's years of existence, why is he always the most dumbfounded? Look, he travels all the way to Minas Tirith to get a hold of records on Sauron, Isildur and the One Ring when A. He should already have that knowledge (he was sent as a protector of Middle Earth to combat evil) and B. he could just go to Elrond or Galadriel to get that info! They're much closer than FRICKIN' Gondor.
Dol Guldur just makes them look bad. None of them should be surprised when Sauron emerges a mere 60 years later. Elrond, Galadriel and Saruman should have let Gandalf in a little more on Sauron and the Ring, don't you think? He's part of the council and is the most suspicious of all of them, yet he always has to go seeking someone else's counsel. It just doesn't make sense and doesn't make any of them look very proactive. Also, why doesn't Galadriel mention Sauron and Dol Guldur in the Fellowship Prologue? That's a pretty big piece to just leave out right? I mean, the four of the white council members knew who they were facing. They knew who the wraiths were. Khev talks about the Hobbit keeping the suspense and mystery of Sauron/the ring by not spoiling anything from LOTR, but I'd argue it diminishes them. Instead of being an ancient evil that suddenly springs up during the events LOTR, you have them casually coming back during the events of the Hobbit. It just doesn't make any damn sense and kills the potency of the villains and heroes.
Considering Jackson and Co. Adapted the books and could make any changes they saw fit (no Tom Bombadil, no barrow wights, no 17 year wait of Gandalf leaving Frodo, Frodo still young/no sharing Birthday with Bilbo, Aragorn's self loathing, change in Faramir characterization etc. etc.) as an adaptation, Jackson and the writers can literally do whatever they want to make the Hobbit fit their LOTR films better. They don't. Instead they rely on a narrating Ian Holm, an Elijah Wood and Orlando Bloom that don't belong and reference gimmicks that wink at the audience. He could have simply avoided Tolkien's appendices edits, just like he had done before.
Also, I'm pretty sure "around these parts" (Bree) he's known as Strider, atleast in the films. It makes sense that he'd have different names to the different habitants of Middle Earth just like Gandalf (Mithrandir, Stormecrowe, the grey Pilgrim, etc.) Strider is the name he has west of Rivendell to Shire and Bree folk. Why would Mirkwood elves call him that? Surely they would have a different name for him that isn't necessarily Aragorn. It was just a cute little nod thrown in by Jackson and Co. that didn't even need to be in there. What's Legolas going to do when he finds him? Chill with him for 60 years? Huh? It's literally a case where I'm sure Jackson, Fran and Phillipa were watching Fellowship for inspiration and were like, "hey, Legolas knew who Aragorn was and put Boromir in his place" and then wrote that little Strider bit into the Hobbit in an attempt to match them.
Irvy
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Someone NEEDS to make a fellowship initiative t-shirt.
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There are consequences when attempting to school DiFabio.
You play with a lion you get burnt....wait, that doesn't sound right.
You play with a lion you get burnt....wait, that doesn't sound right.
There are consequences when attempting to school DiFabio.
You play with a lion you get burnt....wait, that doesn't sound right.
There is?
He better step up his game if he wants to match me when it comes to Middle-earth. That post was cute but that's it. Maybe he can go find void and they can spark up their TDKR stuff.
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There is?
Heh, for as many times as you've read the book and seen the movies, I would think you should have known that Aragorn has other names to the different people of Middle Earth. The elves wouldn't call him Strider, especially some Mirkwood ones. I haven't even read the book in it's entirety (certainly not those damn appendices) and even I know that.
To his elf homeboys, he's known as Elessar and Estel. To the men of Bree, he's known as Strider. When he was at Rohan and fought with Theoden and his grandfather he had some other alias, the name escapes me. Do your homework Josh, you're losing your Ringer edge brah. "He did tell him. Him not telling the name is meant to not spoil and to help protect Aragorn since you know he will be hunted his whole life. Also it wasn't just in Bree he was known as Strider if memory serves me correctly." Ain't going to cut it. Elves would refer to him as something else, especially if Aragorn was raised as a baby at Elrond's house.
Also, TDKR > Hobbit movies (don't faint Jye)
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That's a wonderful attempt to try and school me I give you an A for effort but I knew he had different names in Middle-earth. However there is nothing in any of the text as to what the elves of Mirkwood call him. He is know as Estel by the Elves of Rivendell and Lotorien. Galadriel is the only one to call him Elessar prior to him taking the name when he becomes King. I suppose one can assume The Mirkwood Elves would know that name and many others but there is room for play. As you said it's a tie to the Council scene. From what I've seen it works for most fans.
Again nice effort.
Here's Aragorn's page on that site I love. It has a section for all the names and where he got them. None of them mention Mirkwood and what he's known by.
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Mr. Josh, why would Legolas need to go find a "Strider" exactly? What benefit is that to the two of them? I could see if The Lord of the Rings films took a cue from the Bakshi animated movie where Legolas was Aragorn's broseph and he saved Frodo on horse instead of Arwen (Jackson) or Glorfindol (Tolkien). But Legolas is just another dude. He's as much of a key player in the universe as Gimli is. Legolas' hot headed antagonism towards the Dwarves and Gimli also doesn't make much sense considering he fought alongside them during the BOFA, saw how noble they were and a fellow Elf's affection towards one.
The Hobbit would have been better if Legolas was off wherever Arwen, Aragorn, kid Gimli, kid Theoden, etc. were, not around. Then it would make sense for him to be this snotty, elf Prince (princeling as Gimli put it) that heard stories from his dad about how ****** Dwarves were.
Mr. Josh, why would Legolas need to go find a "Strider" exactly? What benefit is that to the two of them? I could see if The Lord of the Rings films took a cue from the Bakshi animated movie where Legolas was Aragorn's broseph and he saved Frodo on horse instead of Arwen (Jackson) or Glorfindol (Tolkien). But Legolas is just another dude. He's as much of a key player in the universe as Gimli is. Legolas' hot headed antagonism towards the Dwarves and Gimli also doesn't make much sense considering he fought alongside them during the BOFA, saw how noble they were and a fellow Elf's affection towards one.
The Hobbit would have been better if Legolas was off wherever Arwen, Aragorn, kid Gimli, kid Theoden, etc. were, not around. Then it would make sense for him to be this snotty, elf Prince (princeling as Gimli put it) that heard stories from his dad about how ****** Dwarves were.
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Difabio doth protest too much.
Heres Thranduil's page by the way. Doesn't mention anything about what they call Aragorn. Like I said there is nothing anyplace that I know of that gives any info.
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I don't know. It's something Jackson used to give more power to why Aragorn and Legolas respect each other so much. Arsgorn does visit Mirkwood with Gollum but I don't believe there is much info on their friendship. As far as his feelings toward Gimli I don't see him where he should just like them. He would still blame them for all that happened and only starts to soften. The thaw comes when he gets to know Gimli.
Elves of Middle-earth
I don't know. It's something Jackson used to give more power to why Aragorn and Legolas respect each other so much. Arsgorn does visit Mirkwood with Gollum but I don't believe there is much info on their friendship. As far as his feelings toward Gimli I don't see him where he should just like them. He would still blame them for all that happened and only starts to soften. The thaw comes when he gets to know Gimli.
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Irvy
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This is like watching that bit where Geldolf and Ciniman have that epic break dance battle.
Irvy
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Let's all just sit by the fire and puff some old tobey
Ewwww.
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