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[Bardoon]

Geez...and there was so much hoop-la over Pete Rose gambling...now look what's going on!

Rose is a saint compared to those guys!

 

[user 1190]

Geez...and there was so much hoop-la over Pete Rose gambling...now look what's going on!

Rose is a saint compared to those guys!

I wouldn't go that far. Rose was my favorite player when I was a kid. He was everything I was, not the fastest, not the most talented, not best at anything, he just went all out all the time with reckless abandon. I personally think that he would have done the same thing as these guys.

On a side note I must commend Pettitte he stepped up said what he did and why. That takes a lot of guts, while every other player denies what they did or take the high road and say nothing he came out and admitted what he did. He also brought up a interesting point, what he did was not illegal as far as Baseball. Its a shame that the rest won't do that, we know that a lot more guys did this who didn't make the report. I think as whole you can look at the whole time as the steriod era. Those who took HGH actually didn't technically cheat. It really no different them all the other things guys did that were technically illegal but still looked at as cheating or bad. Every era had something for the most part, it may have not been as widespread as this but it something that they did. the only difference it my eyes that had better technology and chemistry in ways to find what they did.

 

[KitFisto]

Clemens has denied using them. Another player ( no a good one ) has said he did use HGH, but the report of "roids" was not true.

To be honest I don't know what or who to believe. Much of this "evidence" is hearsay. There was some hard evidence such as old checks and such on some players, but I don't think they released who

My opinion is this. If you're going to name names, then name the names in which you have HARD, FACTUAL evidence that you can SHOW rather than the hearsay statements made by someone trying to keep HIMSELF out of prison.

I was and am a huge Roger Clemens fan. If it's proven that he actually did it then I'd be seriously disappointed in him, by the same token this investigation probably only scratched the surface of the number of players actually involved with this stuff.

 

[user 1190]

Yeah there is a lot of hear say but the Clemmons and Pettitie really had the most damming evidence, no hear say really, a testamony from the traininer that litterally gave it to them.