Pretty much. I blame social media. It all went downhill with Facebook and Twitter. Of course, the most recent SW Trilogy absolutely did not help. That trilogy was bad.
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Pretty much. I blame social media. It all went downhill with Facebook and Twitter. Of course, the most recent SW Trilogy absolutely did not help. That trilogy was bad.
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Disney plus finally got to us plebs in the UK, and I signed up to see this. Must say I think it's pretty awesome thus far. And the 4k versions of the classics are great so really looking forward to getting my hands on the box set now.
Moronic that they didn't upload the entire season for families at home.
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The UK doesn’t have the full season yet? Seriously?
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I don't think it's social media or connectivity necessarily. It may be a vehicle which we can see it more, but this vitriol has been there. Same stuff came up with the prequel releases. I'm sure there were people who ranted how ESB or ROTJ ruined something. There just wasn't such an easy way to ***** about it.
You believe that social media isn't a key causal part of the level of vitriol? That the act of collecting, organizing and disseminating vitriol nationwide and globally in real time 24/7 doesn't majorly raise the level of vitriol, that it's just kind of out there at that level anyway?
And the narrative that there was a major "divided the fanbase" backlash against ESB was a carefully crafted ploy in Dec 2017 (by one blogger, citing a few Starlog magazine entries, then warmly embraced by many mainstream internet journalists) to try to say that the huge fan backlash (called "supposed backlash" at that point) against TLJ was normal for SW fans and that a sizable proportion of them hate pretty much anything SW.
It was utter garbage. Nobody who cited that blogger's bs knew the first thing about Starlog, Gerrold and what went on in 1980 - they were just desperate in that moment for any ammunition to say "TLJ is pure genius and 'so-called SW fans' have whined and been bitterly divided - to the same degree - about every SW film, even the most beloved, ESB."
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You believe that social media isn't a key causal part of the level of vitriol? That the act of collecting, organizing and disseminating vitriol nationwide and globally in real time 24/7 doesn't majorly raise the level of vitriol, that it's just kind of out there at that level anyway?
And the narrative that there was a major "divided the fanbase" backlash against ESB was a carefully crafted ploy in Dec 2017 (by one blogger, citing a few Starlog magazine entries, then warmly embraced by many mainstream internet journalists) to try to say that the huge fan backlash (called "supposed backlash" at that point) against TLJ was normal for SW fans and that a sizable proportion of them hate pretty much anything SW.
It was utter garbage. Nobody who cited that blogger's bs knew the first thing about Starlog, Gerrold and what went on in 1980 - they were just desperate in that moment for any ammunition to say "TLJ is pure genius and 'so-called SW fans' have whined and been bitterly divided - to the same degree - about every SW film, even the most beloved, ESB."
DioramaMaker just loves to copy and paste the 'ol cliche "nobody hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans" over and over again. He has been doing it here for ages.
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You believe that social media isn't a key causal part of the level of vitriol? That the act of collecting, organizing and disseminating vitriol nationwide and globally in real time 24/7 doesn't majorly raise the level of vitriol, that it's just kind of out there at that level anyway?
And the narrative that there was a major "divided the fanbase" backlash against ESB was a carefully crafted ploy in Dec 2017 (by one blogger, citing a few Starlog magazine entries, then warmly embraced by many mainstream internet journalists) to try to say that the huge fan backlash (called "supposed backlash" at that point) against TLJ was normal for SW fans and that a sizable proportion of them hate pretty much anything SW.
It was utter garbage. Nobody who cited that blogger's bs knew the first thing about Starlog, Gerrold and what went on in 1980 - they were just desperate in that moment for any ammunition to say "TLJ is pure genius and 'so-called SW fans' have whined and been bitterly divided - to the same degree - about every SW film, even the most beloved, ESB."
Reread what I wrote again. I said it's not social media itself that causes the vitriol, it is merely a vehicle for it. Every single person can have the self awareness to constructively criticize and leave others to like/dislike in their own peace. Social media doesn't make a person an *******, it is just a way that person gets to express their immaturity.
You truly believe that there wasn't nonsensical reactionary garbage before the advent of Facebook? Of course there was. Need I remind you how adults bullied a kid into mental illness demanding psychiatric care and a fully grown man to near suicide because they acted in a film series?
Truth be told, I have no idea what you're talking about. I never heard of that blogger's claim. ESB is my favorite film in the franchise, but just the same there are people who see TLJ as their favorite. That's okay. But I would be naive to think that even back in 80 there were folks who thought Vader being dad ruined the series, or that Yoda was irritating.
Hey I've been here long enough that I've gotten a trope! Do I get a profile badge for that? I'll have you know that I actually type it out every time mention it, for what it's worth.
It's more than a cliche now. When I look at what I wrote above, when I look at announcements tailored to traditional era fans (like Michael Biehn) getting **** on by that audience, when I see people callously thrash others for liking the ST or PT, I have to question the integrity of that character.
To this day people are still tightening the twist in their panties because they just can't let TLJ go. They actively went and bullied another cast member nearly 20 years later, just because like before, she was in their precious Star Wars.
It's okay to be passionate, but don't be an ******* about it. It becomes intolerable.
I understood exactly what you said - maybe re-read what I wrote, because what I'm saying is that social media is NOT just a vehicle, that it's like a megaphone that itself ups the ante in terms of vitriol, and you'd have to be pretty naive to believe it's simply a microphone and plays no role (c'mon - social media as a divisive force in society is all over the news.) Obviously "reactionary garbage" existed before social media, and would exist without social media, but social media is like gasoline and dynamite to those smoldering flames.
It's like saying people aren't any different when a camera is filming them - a key problem with supposed "reality TV" and even docs. The presence of the camera changes everything in terms of the way people interact and react - same with social media.
And you've almost proven the opposite of your point - without the internet (and later social media) the JarJar and Anakin actors would have heard little from haters other than perhaps at shows, but people are far less negative when in person, so possibly not even there. Internet first, then social media - these were the "vehicles" that bullied those actors, and yes the vitriol would have existed to some degree without social media but without those technologies, the vitriol would have amounted to what the Ewoks got in the 80s - dislike among groups of kids, negativity in a few magazine letters to the editor and unsold products at stores.
And you said "people who ranted how ESB or ROTJ ruined something" so I (rightly...) assumed you were referencing the garbage that came out in the week or two after TLJ released, claiming that ESb was just as divisive among fans at its time of release - a double measure of bs intended to both mock SW fans and elevate TLJ as some kind of classic-in-waiting that will survive those horrible toxic fans and take its place in the pantheon of SW classics.
Yeah, I'm sure some people hated daddy Vader and were irritated by Yoda, but you could probably count them on two hands nationally. When it came to those who hated TLJ - well, let's just say even the mainstream media these days (ie in the lead-up to TROS) talks about "the backlash against TLJ", now dumping the "so-called" part used in 2017 and often inserting "major."
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No, I was pretty clear what I was saying. Every person can self moderate themselves, that doesn't always occur, but one doesn't need to run about thriving in their own anguish over a film forever. Say your review and go. I 100% agree with you that it amplifies what you hear, I never denied that. What is failing to come across is that my original statement was that social media is not the cause of the behavior. That's what I originally said because a network in and of itself does not cause the behavior. A car does not run people over on it's own just because it exists. There is a lack of responsibility to read, vet, and exist thoughtfully and that I agree with you is something that can get out of hand with social media. But the vehicle does not cause it.
Except television, reviews, daily tabloids, magazines, excision from hollywood, fan encounters, conventions. All of these things existed before the advent of social media and it still got to them. What that tells me is that the behavior that we're trying to identify is inherent to the fan, not how it gets to it's stage.
Look buddy, I'm not calling you out for citing that article. I'm just saying I literally never even heard of it, which makes me wonder in turn how big a deal it actually was at the time.
Who's to say, it's hard to say. I have no doubt that there was some form of push, but, to play to your argument, there wasn't a major way for it to be publicized. I wasn't around to experience the OT in theaters. Was a big thing for my dad and I back on VHS.
But what I find curious, and potentially something I want to see, is how kids who grew up with the ST will view the other films in time. When they are our age, how will they feel of the series? I know people who grew up with the PT have a much greater affinity for it than those who didn't. We have had such a different life when it came to Star Wars. Kids these days don't engage the franchise through the merch and the "life" in the way we all did. So I'll be curious how it will fare in the long run.
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Man Richard Simmons sure got wrinkling.
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Latest news indicates Michael Biehn's character's costume and role will be heavily based on his role of Johnny Ringo from Tombstone.
I can't wait to see the merchandise already as you can see from my new sig! Mando stuff is HT's new cash cow.
I can't wait to see the merchandise already as you can see from my new sig! Mando stuff is HT's new cash cow.
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Never collected SW before. Heck, wasn't even a fig collector until MCU (except for Jack Sparrow). Then just a random fig like TFA Rey and BB-8 (still a bit frosted I could've got her on sale if I had waited LOL).
I like great origins tho. Which is why was so happy to pick up TWS Bucky and Rescue Cap well after the fact, NIB. Paid through the nose but got 'em.
So don't mind being there at the beginning for the intro of a character and characters I already consider iconic in the SW world. It's all so REFRESHING and IMO about time to explore the "everyman" in SW (since IMO they pretty well blew it with Finn, bein' a lowly random anonymous Stormtrooper who makes an incredible choice). Din D'jarin is just a guy, really, as Pascal sez. Luv this character arc.
LOL HT (and Gentle Giant and Hasbro so far) can take my money. Even if Season 2 sucked I was there for something amazing that at the start I just thought of as "something to watch until the MCU series starts and/or Disney+ decides to add more friggin' content to this rather thin collection of stuff"). Haven't literally cheered during a show in a long time - probably not since the EG portal scene, when I think about it.
Man, when Mando slammed that stick back and went for Baby
. Favreau knows his stuff. Like the visuals when Mando's mask reflects the fire and Baby's little hand flick. Plus, since no-one has seen Season 2 - there is something to look forward to. It's not like Hollywood releasing some reboot which u can tell from trailers will crash and burn out of the gate, or even IMO like Eternals where a big deal is being made about the wrong thing (like, is there a really worthwhile story here besides having another McGuffin sword and Jon Snow in spandex?
)I mean, had to talk myself out of SSC's Boba, just because of Mando, 'coz it would be cool to have another bounty hunter and that fig looks cool. It's a real strain right now to NOT spend money on SW. That was a close call. Took everything I had to NOT hit that buy button.
I would get the Armorer too. She was a badass.
Turns out his look is more Mudtrooper inspired.
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Ha, maybe they'll use that DS trooper helmet mould again (from Wicket)......but never make the rest of the original figure 
Latest rumour: Jamie Lee Curtis will be in Season 2!
https://makingstarwars.net/2020/03/...s-cast-in-star-wars-the-mandalorian-season-2/
https://makingstarwars.net/2020/03/...s-cast-in-star-wars-the-mandalorian-season-2/
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Ughhh I hope she keeps her politics out of the equation.
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