The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[jye4ever]

To me "political correctness" these days = bad writing, most of the time. IMO forced character changes/narratives often fail; not always. Or forced cameos. Like, some felt the Raganarok DS scene was just an excuse. Personally thought it was funny and moved things along; if a bit rushed.

The girl power EG scene was cringe. Sure, that happens in the middle of a chaotic battle.

But bring in Sebastian Stan as Luke wandering around trying to put out fires (like, Moff Gideon or other warlords) in the New Republic; see if any Jedi survived the purge - sure. It's a big galaxy. IMO that would make sense; because Leia and Luke by that time have to be SOMEPLACE, if not around the Outer Rim. And it would tie back to Cara not wanting to become a babysitter for (new) governing officials/politicians. I'd even by seeing Han Solo having the same issues as Cara, in a way. Someone just beginning to chafe under losing a lot of personal freedom.

Not saying I WANT that; but timeline-wise I'd buy it, if handled carefully. If Mando goes multiple seasons, it would be stretching it to never even hear the name Skywalker. That doesn't mean the characters have to show up. Assuming Luke and Leia are "heroes of the revolution" with lots of people around, u probably don't just wander up to them. But running into Luke, maybe, sure. Eventually. Maybe at the end of the series.

 

[ZE_501]

To me "political correctness" these days = bad writing, most of the time. IMO forced character changes/narratives often fail; not always. Or forced cameos. Like, some felt the Raganarok DS scene was just an excuse. Personally thought it was funny and moved things along; if a bit rushed.

There are a lot of terms that get thrown around this board (and in general cultural discourse these days) that have somehow become pejoratives.

Some of them likely need to be retired from the lexicon -- 'political correctness' is an unfortunate term that implies a sort of forced or artificial manners as opposed to you know -- the right thing to do.

'Social Justice Warrior' becoming a parody and denoting extreme groupthink and intent-to-control ignores the root of the phrase which is valuable and worthy of aspiration. But people are a mess and this is why we can't have nice things.

There is a fine line, and within fandom and on this board it gets crossed regularly -- generally with impunity but I've seen all of one mod in many months, so obviously they can't be everywhere at once.

At any rate, extremes and lack of common sense just supplies the zealots and other self-interested parties with ammunition. It's a problem that won't be solved here.

The girl power EG scene was cringe.[...]

My girlfriend -- a grown woman and a feminist -- found it condescending and pandering. I imagine little girls may have been more forgiving, so that one's a double-edged sword. It could have been handled an order of magnitude better and sent the same message, so it's a great example of pandering = poor writing.

But bring in Sebastian Stan as Luke wandering around trying to put out fires (like, Moff Gideon or other warlords) in the New Republic; see if any Jedi survived the purge - sure. It's a big galaxy. IMO that would make sense; because Leia and Luke by that time have to be SOMEPLACE, if not around the Outer Rim.

I would accept that. I imagine Leia would be concerned with governance and be closer to Coruscant at that point, but Luke is another story.

Not saying I WANT that; but timeline-wise I'd buy it, if handled carefully. If Mando goes multiple seasons, it would be stretching it to never even hear the name Skywalker. That doesn't mean the characters have to show up. Assuming Luke and Leia are "heroes of the revolution" with lots of people around, u probably don't just wander up to them. But running into Luke, maybe, sure. Eventually. Maybe at the end of the series.

Reasonable. The galaxy's a big place, but if you're having run-ins with the Imperial Remnant right after a revolution, it's a stone's throw from at least referencing key players that helped make them a remnant in the first place.

I imagine out of all the OT heroes, Leia due to her position as last of her line from Alderaan and political connections, would be the Skywalker most likely to be mentioned.

I've always been of two minds about how famous Luke is or is not...within the military certainly, but my real-world comparison is SEAL Team Six. The general public knows the team that took out bin Laden but not the names of the operatives.

 

[Sassafras]

I've always been of two minds about how famous Luke is or is not...within the military certainly, but my real-world comparison is SEAL Team Six. The general public knows the team that took out bin Laden but not the names of the operatives.

Interesting. I could see where Din D'jarin runs into Luke but it's a low-key thing. Maybe walks away without ever really knowing who Luke is. Low key in tone, like when Luke meets Obi Wan in the ST.

An older and wiser Luke by that time, but still young. Someone running into the rude fact that after a revolution there are all kinds of opportunists and people like Moff - or Din D'jarin himself ("that's a joke") who are unimpressed with the new regime.

But, I imagine anything like that is well down the road. If I were Favreau I'd save for the end of the journey.

 

[ZE_501]

Interesting. I could see where Din D'jarin runs into Luke but it's a low-key thing. Maybe walks away without ever really knowing who Luke is. Low key in tone, like when Luke meets Obi Wan in the ST.

An older and wiser Luke by that time, but still young. Someone running into the rude fact that after a revolution there are all kinds of opportunists and people like Moff - or Din D'jarin himself ("that's a joke") who are unimpressed with the new regime.

But, I imagine anything like that is well down the road. If I were Favreau I'd save for the end of the journey.

Agreed, save it for the end. To take it a few steps further, having Luke largely unknown to the general populace -- as a real person -- would better serve his status as a myth by the Sequel Trilogy era.

 

[Mandible]

Yes, that's a similar situation, but I'm on the other side of the argument with that one since TLOU2 feels perfectly connected to TLOU.

The ST just doesn't feel connected at all. Disney will surely want to make it feel more so, by stitching elements into other series. It would take a Herculean effort for that to succeed with me, given how I feel towards the ST. I consider both the PT and ST as gangrenous limbs that had to be amputated, though some elements of the PT were worth saving and could be stitched back on. (The remainder may be assigned to mis-told or mis-remembered stories).

Nope...

Make the same stupid mistakes as The Last Jedi.

So many narrative holes and contradictions, it was painful.

 

[Asta]

Nope...

Make the same stupid mistakes as The Last Jedi.

So many narrative holes and contradictions, it was painful.

It can't be compared with the ST in those terms since the Skywalker saga was inherently a hero's journey (Luke's). The ST messed with that premise, set Luke on the backwards path of doubt and eventual unnecessary death because he'd submerged his X-Wing.

Joel and Ellie weren't heroes. Especially Joel, which was made apparent at the end of TLOU. Hence they might be permitted more human traits as they grew older, and more jaded.

It might be of note that TLOU2 currently holds a higher IMDB rating than any ST or PT film. The only one that comes anywhere near close is TFA, which was the ST film that arguably did less damage to the original heroes (apart from Han, but that was more probably Harrison's will).


The Mandalorian is another hero's journey in the Star Wars tradition. It's akin to taking Boba Fett and bringing him face to face with something that forces him to rebel against a code he'd come to live by.

But it's not Boba Fett, but a new character, a clean slate. There's no baggage so this series could go anywhere. Since I don't feel that the ST connects to the OT I want the least amount of reference to the future as portrayed in the ST. I wrote a while back that The Mandalorian felt literally episodic, as in Homer's Odyssey. Din Djarin has abandoned his code and set himself a mission to protect the Child at any cost. The serial nature of the story sets obstacles in his path, so it won't be a direct route. This also allows the creators to show us different parts of the galaxy, and take us to new characters as well as old, before finally running out steam and getting to the pay off reveal about the Child's origins and likely future.

As a tour of the galaxy we've already got hints there's going to be cameos by well known characters, and the series could so easily become a major anchor paving the way towards the stories of Rey, Kylo, Palpatine 2.0, the First Order et al. The only thing I could see standing in the way of that progression would be the more OT-centric creators putting their feet down hard.

 

[jye4ever]

Still no trailer not even a teaser is this show going to be delayed or what.

Its now just under two months away.

I remember last november thinking holy crap S2 is far away and now here we are.

 

[slikkerias]

It can't be compared with the ST in those terms since the Skywalker saga was inherently a hero's journey (Luke's). The ST messed with that premise, set Luke on the backwards path of doubt and eventual unnecessary death because he'd submerged his X-Wing.

Joel and Ellie weren't heroes. Especially Joel, which was made apparent at the end of TLOU. Hence they might be permitted more human traits as they grew older, and more jaded.

It might be of note that TLOU2 currently holds a higher IMDB rating than any ST or PT film. The only one that comes anywhere near close is TFA, which was the ST film that arguably did less damage to the original heroes (apart from Han, but that was more probably Harrison's will).


The Mandalorian is another hero's journey in the Star Wars tradition. It's akin to taking Boba Fett and bringing him face to face with something that forces him to rebel against a code he'd come to live by.

But it's not Boba Fett, but a new character, a clean slate. There's no baggage so this series could go anywhere. Since I don't feel that the ST connects to the OT I want the least amount of reference to the future as portrayed in the ST. I wrote a while back that The Mandalorian felt literally episodic, as in Homer's Odyssey. Din Djarin has abandoned his code and set himself a mission to protect the Child at any cost. The serial nature of the story sets obstacles in his path, so it won't be a direct route. This also allows the creators to show us different parts of the galaxy, and take us to new characters as well as old, before finally running out steam and getting to the pay off reveal about the Child's origins and likely future.

As a tour of the galaxy we've already got hints there's going to be cameos by well known characters, and the series could so easily become a major anchor paving the way towards the stories of Rey, Kylo, Palpatine 2.0, the First Order et al. The only thing I could see standing in the way of that progression would be the more OT-centric creators putting their feet down hard.

I agree with about half of this

 

[Mandible]

It can't be compared with the ST in those terms since the Skywalker saga was inherently a hero's journey (Luke's). The ST messed with that premise, set Luke on the backwards path of doubt and eventual unnecessary death because he'd submerged his X-Wing.

Joel and Ellie weren't heroes. Especially Joel, which was made apparent at the end of TLOU. Hence they might be permitted more human traits as they grew older, and more jaded.

It might be of note that TLOU2 currently holds a higher IMDB rating than any ST or PT film. The only one that comes anywhere near close is TFA, which was the ST film that arguably did less damage to the original heroes (apart from Han, but that was more probably Harrison's will).


The Mandalorian is another hero's journey in the Star Wars tradition. It's akin to taking Boba Fett and bringing him face to face with something that forces him to rebel against a code he'd come to live by.

But it's not Boba Fett, but a new character, a clean slate. There's no baggage so this series could go anywhere. Since I don't feel that the ST connects to the OT I want the least amount of reference to the future as portrayed in the ST. I wrote a while back that The Mandalorian felt literally episodic, as in Homer's Odyssey. Din Djarin has abandoned his code and set himself a mission to protect the Child at any cost. The serial nature of the story sets obstacles in his path, so it won't be a direct route. This also allows the creators to show us different parts of the galaxy, and take us to new characters as well as old, before finally running out steam and getting to the pay off reveal about the Child's origins and likely future.

As a tour of the galaxy we've already got hints there's going to be cameos by well known characters, and the series could so easily become a major anchor paving the way towards the stories of Rey, Kylo, Palpatine 2.0, the First Order et al. The only thing I could see standing in the way of that progression would be the more OT-centric creators putting their feet down hard.

All I'm saying is - to you, TLOU 2 felt like it worked in the same world. To me, it absolutely didn't... and felt like it was written by different writers that had no understanding of what made the first game so special (the museum scene in 2 was the only good moment). Same with TLJ. Same with Matrix 2, and soooo many sequels/prequels, etc.

That's why Empire, Terminator 2, Aliens (and a few others I've forgotten off the top of my head), endure with such universal love.

The Last Jedi and The Last of Us 2 spilt their fans base - right or wrong is irrelevant, but that fact is they (at the very least) halved their fans because of the way the characters were handled.

Some thought it worked amazingly well and took the characters in brave new directions, others think they were a complete violation of characters - either way, the franchise is the one that suffers.

The Last of Us (1) was my favourite game of all time, but I hated 2 so much I'll never go near the franchise again, and judging by the sales numbers, secondhand copies, abundance of memes, low user scores... I'm not alone. And with the millions of directions they could have taken it, it's mind-blowing to think that they actively went down this path.

Anyway... bring on the trailer!!!!!

 

[Asta]

Part of me doesn't want to see a trailer. Some series show clips of next week's episode at the end of the current one, and I do my best to avoid watching them because I'd rather see the story develop in order.

Yet, the other part of me is very curious to see a trailer just to get an idea of where The Mandalorian is going.

 

[jye4ever]

Part of me doesn't want to see a trailer. Some series show clips of next week's episode at the end of the current one, and I do my best to avoid watching them because I'd rather see the story develop in order.

Yet, the other part of me is very curious to see a trailer just to get an idea of where The Mandalorian is going.

I have to admit going straight into season two without seeing a second of footage would be pretty damn exciting to say the least.

It would definitely be sensory overload but in a good thrilling way.

Only one small catch.....I have zero willpower lol

 

[Asta]

I have to admit going straight into season two without seeing a second of footage would be pretty damn exciting to say the least.

It would definitely be sensory overload but in a good thrilling way.

Only one small catch.....I have zero willpower lol

There's no way I'll be able to resist watching it.

A collection of unconnected shots of characters and locations would be enough to give an insight without giving anything away.

I remember the excitement leading up to the release of Return of the Jedi. The local Debenhams department store had a special Star Wars toy section, and inside was a television playing the trailer on a loop. I stood and watched it over and over.

It was probably this one:

 

[slikkerias]

I really dig getting something I didn?t expect. Getting surprised and have my ?feelings and expectations hurt? in movies and video games for that matter... And I fully accept that the characters are not ?mine? to ?fate control?. ...And I?m a fan of both TLJ and TLOU2 and have no problems accepting that the stories took turns that I didn?t eventually want them to... I?m getting a lot of s... for saying so, but [emoji2369]

 

[ZE_501]

I really dig getting something I didn?t expect. Getting surprised and have my ?feelings and expectations hurt? in movies and video games for that matter... And I fully accept that the characters are not ?mine? to ?fate control?. ...And I?m a fan of both TLJ and TLOU2 and have no problems accepting that the stories took turns that I didn?t eventually want them to... I?m getting a lot of s... for saying so, but [emoji2369]

Well, it's a very fine line, isn't it? I enjoyed that in Game of Thrones because it gave everything very high stakes and ratcheted up the suspense for most of that series. But my simple argument is that something like Star Wars is a different animal and shouldn't be treated like GoT or whatever else.

I've had a long time to think about the ST and I empathize with the writers to the extent that it was an extraordinarily difficult task they were given, because in my opinion a confluence of real world events and how things ended in ROTJ rendered the story for those characters over.

My empathy ends right around the time they start making choices I find lazy, sloppy and/or antithetical to the established mythos, which I won't detail here because it's all been beaten completely to death and you either like it or you don't.

 

[ZE_501]

I have to admit going straight into season two without seeing a second of footage would be pretty damn exciting to say the least.

It would definitely be sensory overload but in a good thrilling way.

Only one small catch.....I have zero willpower lol

Now that it's been *this* long, I think I'll try to go in cold.

 

[slikkerias]

Well, it's a very fine line, isn't it? I enjoyed that in Game of Thrones because it gave everything very high stakes and ratcheted up the suspense for most of that series. But my simple argument is that something like Star Wars is a different animal and shouldn't be treated like GoT or whatever else.

I've had a long time to think about the ST and I empathize with the writers to the extent that it was an extraordinarily difficult task they were given, because in my opinion a confluence of real world events and how things ended in ROTJ rendered the story for those characters over.

My empathy ends right around the time they start making choices I find lazy, sloppy and/or antithetical to the established mythos, which I won't detail here because it's all been beaten completely to death and you either like it or you don't.

Exactly, you like it or you don?t. Your argument is totally valid, I just feel different about it.

 

[Asta]

I really dig getting something I didn?t expect. Getting surprised and have my ?feelings and expectations hurt? in movies and video games for that matter... And I fully accept that the characters are not ?mine? to ?fate control?. ...And I?m a fan of both TLJ and TLOU2 and have no problems accepting that the stories took turns that I didn?t eventually want them to... I?m getting a lot of s... for saying so, but [emoji2369]

I agree with about half of this


No, I actually agree with all of it. Different things work for different people, and much of that is guided by your own personal life experiences, and the connections and meanings you find in things as a result.

I preferred TLJ to TROS as I could pull a Joseph Conrad connection from it. The story for the entire ST doesn't sit well with me though, because I've read numerous post-ROTJ expanded universe tales that felt more organically connected to the OT. On the contrary The Mandalorian is on par with those Expanded universe stories and feels satisfying the same way Rogue One and Solo did.

 

[slikkerias]

I agree with about half of this


No, I actually agree with all of it. Different things work for different people, and much of that is guided by your own personal life experiences, and the connections and meanings you find in things as a result.

I preferred TLJ to TROS as I could pull a Joseph Conrad connection from it. The story for the entire ST doesn't sit well with me though, because I've read numerous post-ROTJ expanded universe tales that felt more organically connected to the OT. On the contrary The Mandalorian is on par with those Expanded universe stories and feels satisfying the same way Rogue One and Solo did.

All valid points!
I personally have much more conflicted feelings about TFA and TROS as they felt more like a comprise to me. TLJ is its own, like it or not.

 

[jye4ever]

Now that it's been *this* long, I think I'll try to go in cold.

You make a great case.

Hmmm

Decisions decisions

I need somethings to distract me though to keep my mind preoccupied off Mando.

I don’t know maybe a ton of collectibles arriving every week would help lol

 

[Neal136]

Season 2 is dropping on 10/30