The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[xipotec]

Dude Ahsoka is a jedi just like Luke, Erza, Rey, Ben Solo, Kal Cestis.
After the order fell there is no more burocracy about who can be or not a Jedi, is you're a force user and uses the lighside of the force you're a jedi. In Rebels Ahsoka was in denial, hurt and traumatized from the things she passed since the trial, after her fight with Vader she changes and accept who she is, a JEDI.
She fight Maul as a Jedi, but is scolded by Mace.
Baby Yoda is a force user who started training as a jedi but he is a baby so he has no morals of right and wrong, he is no jedi yet

This is so wrong. Ahsoka is not a Jedi. She walked away from them due to their politics and rules.

Luke May consider himself a Jedi, but he is not either ....Why? Because neither acts in way that the Jedi as we have seen them would. They follow their own paths. Jedi are organized hierarchal rule followers.

Neither Luke , Kannan or Ahsoka fit that model. Luke disobeyed both Yoda and Ben who wanted them to kill Vadar no questions asked, again manipulative follow my rules.

In Ahsoka case specifically , she never once refers to herself as a Jedi.


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[user 64404]

This is so wrong. Ahsoka is not a Jedi. She walked away from them due to their politics and rules.

Luke May consider himself a Jedi, but he is not either ....Why? Because neither acts in way that the Jedi as we have seen them would. They follow their own paths. Jedi are organized hierarchal rule followers.

Neither Luke , Kannan or Ahsoka fit that model. Luke disobeyed both Yoda and Ben who wanted them to kill Vadar no questions asked, again manipulative follow my rules.

In Ahsoka case specifically , she never once refers to herself as a Jedi.


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Dude Yoda literally Knighted Luke in ROTJ, Kanan got Knighted by the temple guardians.
Ahsoka is a jedi just like Luke .
The order fell,things change now there is no bureaucracy beside using the Light side of the force.
Kanan started Erza in the ways of the jedi and Erza got knigthed by dealing with Thrawn without using brutal force( It was a trial by courage,skill, fleash, spirit and Insight).
You have to watch Rebels and understand that she had her feelings hurt and broken by the Jedi order by the end of the Clone Wars, thats why the line " i am no jedi", after the fight with Vader she is starting to heal and now walks on the Jedi path again but not fallowing blindside their teachings, now she is like an Qui Gon jinn tipe of character.

 

[The Buffinator]

If by 'disarm' you mean sever both of his arms on the way to cutting him in half.

The only thing that stopped her blades was the Beskar. I think her murder-y reaction implied that she assumed he'd been sent to kill her by the Magistrate.

IMO this definitely was the case. The show opened with her killing that group of minions that the magistrate sent out after her. Pretty obvious she thought Mando was more of the same, albeit better equipped and decidedly more of a threat.

The fight really didn't read that way to me. It looked to me like she was going to kill him until he said her name and she saw Grogu.

I also don't think the script would leave it up to the general audience to imagine that this random fighter knows what Beskar is, and is intentionally aiming her blades at full speed *at the armour*.

You're overthinking like a committed fan. This show is made for general audiences who don't even know who Ahsoka is.

This. And I thought having Mando tell Ahsoka afterwards that he was sent by the magistrate to kill her was the most unnecessary line of dialogue in the entire series.

But i agree with the things ZE_501 said, maybe i am overthinking she was pretty aggressive and it was not show if she knew about the beskar, but i still think that for the look of her fighting style she wasnt going for the kil shot in her two main fights.

She wasn't trying to kill the magistrate because she wanted Thrawn's location, but with Mando she definitely was going going to disarm him per ZE_501's definition.

 

[Khev]

I did think it was kind of funny that Ahsoka was willing to slaughter so many guards just on the assumption that the Magistrate would tell her the truth.

"Where's Thrawn???"

"Um, hiding in the Unknown Regions. Here..." *gives her the coordinates of a black hole*

lol

And if Ahsoka acknowledged that the people were already suffering would she have just up and left if the Magistrate told her his location in the first scene of the episode?

Ahsoka: "Where's your master?"

Magistrate: "How many lives is it worth to know? 1, 10, 100?"

Ahsoka: "The people already suffer under your rule."

Magistrate: "True. Okay he's on Dantooine."

Ahsoka: "Thanks, bye!"

Prisoners: "Seriously??"

 

[Sassafras]

IMO this definitely was the case. The show opened with her killing that group of minions that the magistrate sent out after her. Pretty obvious she thought Mando was more of the same...And I thought having Mando tell Ahsoka afterwards that he was sent by the magistrate to kill her was the most unnecessary line of dialogue in the entire series.

I wouldn't say that - or at least Ahkosa was either surprised or it gave her a mental shake. Because he first brings up
Bo-katan. Not about talking to the magistrate, so I took it she really didn't know until then. Then again I think everything after their initial fight needs a serious rewrite along with different editing.

Re other comments tho dunno if Mando was outclassed necessarily. I thought Mandalorian armor and weapons evolved in order to deal with Jedi. Also re Order 66 a lot of Jedi went down just with blasters.

 

[user 64404]

I did think it was kind of funny that Ahsoka was willing to slaughter so many guards just on the assumption that the Magistrate would tell her the truth.

"Where's Thrawn???"

"Um, hiding in the Unknown Regions. Here..." *gives her the coordinates of a black hole*

lol

And if Ahsoka acknowledged that the people were already suffering would she have just up and left if the Magistrate told her his location in the first scene of the episode?

Ahsoka: "Where's your master?"

Magistrate: "How many lives is it worth to know? 1, 10, 100?"

Ahsoka: "The people already suffer under your rule."

Magistrate: "True. Okay he's on Dantooine."

Ahsoka: "Thanks, bye!"

Prisoners: "Seriously??"

I just watch this scene of the episode again, and its like this:
Magistrate - Jedi. I've been expecting you.
Ahsoka - Then you know what I want.
Magistrate - You will learn nothing from me.
Ahsoka - I won't give you that choice.
Magistrate - How many lives,is the knowledge I possess worth to you?One?Ten?How about a hundred?The lives of these citizens, mean nothing to me.Now, because of you,these people will suffer.
Ahsoka - They already suffer under your rule.Surrender, or face the consequences.You have one day to decide.

Probably Ahsoka was in this planet hunting the magistrate for some time since Bo Katan knew she would be there, i say this based on the first dialogue between then and the numbers of soldiers left.
Ahsoka wanted the answer about where is Thrawn and to free the people from the leftover of the empire.

 

[Prime Clone]

All I know is that Star Wars has some (temporary) street cred with my sons on account of the new Mando skin in Fortnite...

 

[xipotec]

Dude Yoda literally Knighted Luke in ROTJ, Kanan got Knighted by the temple guardians.
Ahsoka is a jedi just like Luke .
The order fell,things change now there is no bureaucracy beside using the Light side of the force.
Kanan started Erza in the ways of the jedi and Erza got knigthed by dealing with Thrawn without using brutal force( It was a trial by courage,skill, fleash, spirit and Insight).
You have to watch Rebels and understand that she had her feelings hurt and broken by the Jedi order by the end of the Clone Wars, thats why the line " i am no jedi", after the fight with Vader she is starting to heal and now walks on the Jedi path again but not fallowing blindside their teachings, now she is like an Qui Gon jinn tipe of character.

That?s kinda my point.....being knighted into a broken organization is irrelevant.

All these ?new? Jedi are not jedi at all as they do not follow any of the organizational structure of what the Jedi were as we have been shown.

Now if you want to call them Jedi in some sort of spiritual sense I get where you are coming from. But they are NOT Jedi as we have been taught Jedi should be, and how they have been shown. They follow exactly nothing of the ?code? we have been told they need to.

Perhaps they are ?new Jedi? but if that?s the case why even call them that at all.

Someone calling you a Christian when you do not practice any of that religions tenets does not make you a Christian.

Yoda entire appearance in the ST basically says the same thing. It?s probably just semantics , but call them Jedi if you want to. But according to what we las saw of how the Jedi operated, Calling them Jedi is just an easy way to label what they are.


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[sithocan]

I don't think ordinary folks know the difference between force factions in SW universe.
As those (Luke, Ahsoka, Kanan, etc) are not Jedi as in the Republic era, it's not fair to say they are not Jedi (as long as they see themselves as Jedi). For example, France is there for centuries. It was a kingdom once. We can't say France of today is not France, because France was a kingdom. Even Christianity today is not similar to pre-reform era. If Ahsoka does not consider herself a Jedi, then she is not. If Luke considers himself a Jedi, then he is since there is no order that opposes his way. The new Jedi being different than republic era Jedi is another thing.

 

[hellgrammite00]

I did think it was kind of funny that Ahsoka was willing to slaughter so many guards just on the assumption that the Magistrate would tell her the truth.

Yeah, the episode plot doesn't quiet hold up the more I sit with it. Saving the village is there because we need our protagonists to feel heroic, but Ahsoka is only there for information, and the Mandalorian is only there to help her to get rid of Baby Yoda.

I mean I will look the other way because we need anti-heroes to seem somewhat heroic.

 

[The Buffinator]

I wouldn't say that - or at least Ahkosa was either surprised or it gave her a mental shake. Because he first brings up
Bo-katan. Not about talking to the magistrate, so I took it she really didn't know until then. Then again I think everything after their initial fight needs a serious rewrite along with different editing.

Yes, the writing/editing of their interaction could have been better. Maybe I should rewatch it again, but I didn't think he was telling her anything she didn't already know or suspect (I thought her owl friend was symbolic of her knowing he came from the town). I thought it was supposed to be more of a quick "Where is he going with this & have I read him wrong?" kind of reaction - i.e., she just said she wouldn't train Grogu - would he now kill her, collect his reward and try to find another Jedi?

 

[hellgrammite00]

Yes, the writing/editing of their interaction could have been better. Maybe I should rewatch it again, but I didn't think he was telling her anything she didn't already know or suspect (I thought her owl friend was symbolic of her knowing he came from the town). I thought it was supposed to be more of a quick "Where is he going with this & have I read him wrong?" kind of reaction - i.e., she just said she wouldn't train Grogu - would he now kill her, collect his reward and try to find another Jedi?

I think Mando was being real to her like killing you is still an option. His creed is #1, and he is a bounty hunter/assassin. Basically if you don't help me, I might have to kill you. She flipped it into a mutual deal, and then told him anyway she wouldn't help him after she got what she needed.

 

[The Buffinator]

I think Mando was being real to her like killing you is still an option. His creed is #1, and he is a bounty hunter/assassin. Basically if you don't help me, I might have to kill you. She flipped it into a mutual deal, and then told him anyway she wouldn't help him after she got what she needed.

Didn't he flip it into a mutual deal? He said he'd never agreed to the magistrate's request (killing her), but he'd help her with her magistrate problem if she'd train Grogu.

 

[hellgrammite00]

Didn't he flip it into a mutual deal? He said he'd never agreed to the magistrate's request (killing her), but he'd help her with her magistrate problem if she'd train Grogu.

Oh, your right. She was going to go ahead on her carnage, but he noted killing her was still on the table, and offered the bargain.

 

[Khev]

Ahsoka Tano actively tries to kill a good guy.

Fans: "Ha ha, she made a murderous oopsie but learned her lesson, all is forgiven. I love Filoni!"

Luke Skywalker simply *thinks* about killing an actual bad guy.

Fans: "Character ruined! Not my Luke! I hate everything!"

Never mind that Luke's actions in those two seconds were in perfect sync with Ahsoka's speech about her witnessing even the greatest Jedi being capable of turning to evil due to their attachments. But boo to RJ for telling a story that matches up with established themes.

 

[ZE_501]

Ahsoka Tano actively tries to kill a good guy.

Fans: "Ha ha, she made a murderous oopsie but learned her lesson, all is forgiven. I love Filoni!"

Luke Skywalker simply *thinks* about killing an actual bad guy.

Fans: "Character ruined! Not my Luke! I hate everything!"

Never mind that Luke's actions in those two seconds were in perfect sync with Ahsoka's speech about her witnessing even the greatest Jedi being capable of turning to evil due to their attachments. But boo to RJ for telling a story that matches up with established themes.

You and I disagree on the ST, but the above post is a raging false equivalency I actually find surprising, even from you.

In your example, a heavily armoured stranger stalking Ahsoka in a battle zone filled with hostiles, is somehow the same thing as Luke seriously considering to murder his sister and best friend's son -- whom he has helped nurture and raise and train -- in his sleep?

What are you trying to push on us?

 

[sithocan]

He saw a much bigger evil in that sleeping beauty than Ahsoka guessed in Mando?

 

[ZE_501]

He saw a much bigger evil in that sleeping beauty than Ahsoka guessed in Mando?

There's a hell of a lot more wrong with those films than that one event, but the only point relevant to this thread and this show is:

Ahsoka didn't know Din was "a good guy" and had every reason to assume otherwise. And if you want to adhere strictly to Filoni's script, she's no Jedi (her own words) so her particularly aggressive response is also well in character.

There is zero equivalence between what happened here and Khev's ST Crusade.

 

[darth dennis]

There's a hell of a lot more wrong with those films than that one event, but the only point relevant to this thread and this show is:

Ahsoka didn't know Din was "a good guy" and had every reason to assume otherwise. And if you want to adhere strictly to Filoni's script, she's no Jedi (her own words) so her particularly aggressive response is also well in character.

There is zero equivalence between what happened here and Khev's ST Crusade.

All I know is I can't read "(s)he's no Jedi" any other way than in Bib Fortuna's voice...

 

[Sassafras]

Yes, the writing/editing of their interaction could have been better. Maybe I should rewatch it again, but I didn't think he was telling her anything she didn't already know or suspect (I thought her owl friend was symbolic of her knowing he came from the town). I thought it was supposed to be more of a quick "Where is he going with this & have I read him wrong?" kind of reaction - i.e., she just said she wouldn't train Grogu - would he now kill her, collect his reward and try to find another Jedi?

I watched again to see if I was being a *&^% about it.

Well, at first I think she logically thought this was just another of the Magistrate's guys, then she thought, based on his explanation, that he was there just because Bo-katan had sent him, but THEN she's told Mando actually got a direct commission to take her out, which she hadn't known, or that Mando had spoken directly to the Magistrate. Which is a lot more disconcerting I think, knowing a Mandalorian had been offered a commission, than the usual grunt soldier. Which IMO actually works as Aksoka knows what Mandalorians are capable of. Would a pulse rifle disintegrate a Jedi?

But it's clumsy muddled writing IMO that's plot service vs. someone sitting down and thinking how all this would *realistically* flow.

Like telling Din D'jarin to cool his heels at some temple for who knows how long, because one of the most awful, but hilarious, bits for me was "well, they're aren't many Jedi left". Which was supposed to be sad and tragic. But srsly, then how long is he supposed to hang out there then anyway? What happens if nothing happens? (it will, but in theory Mando could be sitting around like that knight in Indiana Jones waiting for someone to show up.) Plus IMO the directing sucks, 'coz Mando just blandly accepts all of this without losing it. Guess he's just overwhelmed with the mystery of it all.

OK, guess I am supposed to INTERPOLATE that the plan is Baby beams his thoughts into the Force, and some random Jedi Luke Skywalker gets wind of it, and starts tracking Mando for 10 seasons, but it still doesn't cover how long is Mando supposed to sit around in some ruined temple. For all he knows, the kid could be thinking "this is really boring. My butt hurts from sitting on this cold rock. I'm hungry and sure wish I had some frog eggs. Or a frog. Can we go back to Sorgon now?"

IMO tho there IS a lot of good, like Mando sitting with the kid, Biehn, visually spectacular and great set/atmosphere. And I guess I can look forward to a visit to some creepy temple rubble which is always fun. The owl was a nice touch. And the white light sabers against the murk were very, very cool. And the guy who puts his hands up and runs way from Ahkosa was funny, even it that kind of thing has been done before. The bell getting sliced and falling - good stuff. Plus I can look forward to spending more money on the blackened armor version of Mando with the diecast spear.