The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[The Buffinator]

I don?t believe the ST will be changed but I believe they will change aspects from it and improve upon it. Like they might be a timeline but now snoke is a different better character and the first order is more fleshed out.

I don't see them messing with alternate timelines as that would be seen as derivative of the MCU & Favreau is too smart for that. But down the road, providing a fleshed out backstory for Snoke's initial creation and rise to power would likely make his presence in TFA a bit more palatable for many fans. Maybe we'll find out that Ezra Bridger (!) is the original host that the Sith cultists used in their cloning experiments - they'd want someone strong with the force as their original template so it could survive being infused with Palpatine's dark energy. Plus IIRC he did head to the Unknown Regions with Thrawn and the Space Whales (sounds like a band name lol), and Exegol just happens to be there too. A very tragic end for Ezra*, but it would be quite the payoff for the Ahsoka series.

* - He was rather annoying most of the time, so I say AMF!

 

[JAWS]

I believe I've been as vocal, if not MORE, than anyone on this forum about how much I ****ing HATE the Disney Trilogy. Every goddamn aspect of it.

But I'm not stupid. I don't stick my head in the sand and believe fairy tales some jackass on youtube with a big plastic head made up for clicks.

I loved The Mandalorian but the clues are there as clear as freaking day. Gideon practically winked into the camera when he said the word...."ORDER." Those gross clone things WERE Snoke. They need Baby Yoda's magic blood for CLONING THE EMPEROR.

These things happened and they happened for a reason. The movies are a part of Disney's continuity whether we like it or not, and it always will be.

I chose to just ignore those little hints, just like I ignore the movies themselves.

If you don't like the movies, IGNORE THEM. Disney doesn't have the cajones to undo what they're still trying to squeeze money out of. If/when the state of the franchise gets as desperate as Terminator, sure....maybe in 20 years.

If Carrie wasn't dead and Hamill and Ford were all about 15 years younger, then yes, I could see them possibly mulling over the idea of a re-do. But all this whining about "what ifs?" and wishful thinking is just a waste of time.

What's done is done. Disney had the biggest opportunity in the history of movie making, right at their finger tips, and all they did with it was drop their drawers and take an enormous wet Cleveland Steamer all over it.

PS.....just my opinion, but I don't think we're gonna see Luke again on any of these shows. Yes, it was amazing and "broke the internet" but I think it was a one time thing, like the last Led Zeppelin concert. Of course everyone is left wanting more, but that's kind of the point, isn't it?

Great post.

See this is what a well thought out reply from a person who disliked the ST looks like......


Not some youtube fantasy reposting of what is essentially modern tabloid nonsense for clicks.

Respect. I disagree about the ST but respect anyway.

Funny how just listening to someone?s differing opinion these days garners such respectful tones when it?s grounded in REALITY rather than some alternate truth with zero facts backing it up.


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Agreed.

I don?t believe the ST will be changed but I believe they will change aspects from it and improve upon it. Like they might be a timeline but now snoke is a different better character and the first order is more fleshed out.

Kind of like TCW... That's what I want. It does not have to be a full cartoon show.. but just little things that help flesh out the story.. It needs that for sure. Its a flawed trilogy no doubt and there is room for improvement.

I love that TCW helped me be more forgiving of the PT. It does not fix the things I still hate about it (flipping emperor, goofy acting) but it helped me with characters like Anakin and opened up a great world of new characters.

At first I didn't give it a chance because I disliked most of the PT. I was season 3 by the time i watched it.. Glad I did

I would think people would welcome that sort of thing with the ST.

But I understand why they don't want to.. I was there also a one point.

Smart man.

And thanks for reminding me of *Canto Bight* of all things already being referenced in Mandalorian. They ain't retconning ****.

They Mention Canto Bight???

Holy freaking crap Luke's rampage set to Vader's music and audio.

That is how you do a rhyme

 

[ZE_501]

[...]I think the only character that got that was Luke. And again , it was unsatisfying for many to see their hero as a fallible human.

I personally loved that approach. Luke has the galaxy on his shoulders, and failure was inevitable with what he was attempting. The fact the failure was orchestrated against him , makes it quite tragic.


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We saw plenty of Luke being fallible in the OT. Whiney, impulsive, being human enough to need his friends to save him (that's TWO he owes Han), ignoring mentors' advice, losing badly in Cloud City and again escaping certain death only due to his staunch allies, almost giving in to the Dark Side, and nearly dying horribly for daring to face the Emperor, were it not for Anakin's last-minute intervention.

I fully admit it was deeply unsatisfying to see my hero as a beaten-down failure, but it certainly wasn't inevitable, not in-universe anyway. Was it a *plausible* outcome given the set-up? Sure, but no need to re-hash why I think they shouldn't have gone there, save to say that Star Wars was never meant to be Game of Thrones.

 

[Khev]

That is how you do a rhyme

The beauty of that sequence is that it not only rhymes with Vader but also the very first scenes of Obi-Wan and Qui Gon cutting through Battle Droids on their way to the bridge of the Trade Federation ship in TPM. *Overlapping* poetry that brings the entire Saga full circle.

 

[hellgrammite00]

I fully admit it was deeply unsatisfying to see my hero as a beaten-down failure, but it certainly wasn't inevitable, not in-universe anyway. Was it a *plausible* outcome given the set-up? Sure, but no need to re-hash why I think they shouldn't have gone there, save to say that Star Wars was never meant to be Game of Thrones.

Agree with this. People that look deeply into ROTJ can see how TLJ is a natural progression for Luke.

The comparisons between Luke and Vader are some of the best things about Star Wars. Luke gets more and more scarred as the OT goes on. By ROTJ, he is a dark figure, on the edge of turning to the darkside.

It wasn't until he lopped of Vaders hand he realized he was repeating the cycle. He was turning into an ultra-violent monster. It is why he threw away the lightsaber. Violence begets violence, giving way to peace instead of violence is something that doesn't even compute with the emperor. Palps was like a pacifist...geez there nothing to latch onto now.

The ST I felt was a potential natural progression for the character, because Luke had come to realize fighting his father that anger and hatred were being nurtured by violence. The execution of it however wasn't great in TLJ. You could argue TLJ suffers some of the faults of the PT, interesting story bad in execution didn't work.

While this Luke scene in Mando is good fan service, it sort of doesn't make sense of where the character was going. He truly became a Jedi Master when he realized the path of peace over violence, giving up the black cloak. But Favreau has noted that you can get gory murder kills with robots that you can't get away with humans to keep a PG13 rating.

I mean people want to see Jedi hack things up, so whatever.

 

[JAWS]

This gets funny.

 

[JAWS]

Ok. This was fun to watch also.. Is this what you geeks looked like watching this

I wish I got like this when seeing the scene.. I just was smiling the whole time. Maybe a little bit of tears.. Not enough to make me remember.

Watching this makes you realize just how much KK and Ryan Johnson **** the bed with TLJ.. I mean I never liked the movie but I liked Luke in it... But with RJ insistence on subverting expectations he missed something that could have put his very flawed film on the map.

Of course if he did it then we would not have gotten this now.

 

[ZE_501]

[...] The ST I felt was a potential natural progression for the character, because Luke had come to realize fighting his father that anger and hatred were being nurtured by violence. The execution of it however wasn't great in TLJ. You could argue TLJ suffers some of the faults of the PT, interesting story bad in execution didn't work.

While this Luke scene in Mando is good fan service, it sort of doesn't make sense of where the character was going. He truly became a Jedi Master when he realized the path of peace over violence, giving up the black cloak. But Favreau has noted that you can get gory murder kills with robots that you can't get away with humans to keep a PG13 rating.

I mean people want to see Jedi hack things up, so whatever.

Yoda was not a warrior. Until the PT anyway, but that's a different discussion.

So many people took issue with Luke tossing away the lightsaber, but I always thought that was an excellent response.

Don't buy into Obi Wan's 'elegant weapon' crap. A sword is a butcher's tool, meant to hack live muscle and sinew through shrieking nerves and shocked bones. Like all weapons, it's a tool of the direst violation.

I imagine tossing a saber over his shoulder in contempt is something Yoda himself would have done. It was actually beautiful.

It's just that IMO the whole narrative spiraled from there.

You can't look too deeply into Star Wars because there are too many contradictions, its mythos is dressed up in the superficial trappings of eastern philosophy but it's a muddle as one would expect. The Force references animistic beliefs to a degree, like Shinto -- but also veers close to Buddhist beliefs and non-violent principles like Ahimsa, which are promptly cast aside so we can see Jedi hacking things (and people) up.

The closest thing to a Jedi as described by Yoda would be a warrior monk, committed to an ascetic life of compassion and meditation, trained and disciplined to protect the weak. Only for defense.

Which would all be promptly clouded and co-opted by wartime and politics, much as it actually was (albeit in a very clumsy fashion) in the PT, and has it probably has been historically here in the real world.

Actually, maybe less Shaolin Monk and more Knights Templar, in which case the militancy is more overtly political, despite any ritualistic trappings.

Star Wars plays with high concept but like a child playing with a weapon, Lucas (and later Disney) promptly cut themselves because they're not capable of handling such a thing.

 

[Sassafras]

Not gonna lie... I don't know Mando's full name.. I only started noticing it when it was getting mentioned here all the time with the Din / Grogu goodbye

I suck at names though

I know this.. If the ST gets retconed.. I know that I will still go on..

If they start sneaking little bits of ST stuff into the new shows there are going to be some members here who will have a major meltdown.

Either way one of us gets to say I told you but only one of the sides if they win will get to watch the show of grown men having temper tantrums

I already am feeling singed from the fan service stuffing this season. Feels exactly like when I went into Infinity War trusting the Russos, and got something that felt more like a commercial for upcoming films at times. And IMO some cr$p writing showed up there, too.pfft:

Thinking about Season 2, I was good up to the Ahosoka commercial episode. The bad writing didn't help (complete nitpicking, but at least Luke said "without training" instead of "without more training" as still think Ahsoka's lines about this child having "many many teachers" was complete BS. Along with other stuff.)

When I think about it, having Luke show up *almost* completely negates Din D'jarin & co. having to rescue Grogu at all. Luke is at the height of his powers, so I suppose it just made it easier for Luke to land his X-wing. Luke could have just force-choked everyone, pretty much.

I wouldn't have written it that way. Not that anyone asked. I would have kept Luke for a big finale. Overall, feels like the show fast-forwarded a narrative to accommodate a sort of crossover with - everything. Upcoming shows. Everything Filoni. It's not what I got interested in this show for - preferred something more self-contained. Which is what Favreau initially said about the show - set in the SW universe, but something new, that we'd never seen before. At the moment, looks like the show is sliding into what I, and some others online, were leery of. Crossover bloating.

Like earlier this year, Pascal mentioned the name of Din D'jarin's village - will he go back there now? Are we going to learn anything more about Cara? Greef? The Mandalorians that left Nevarro? Or is the show gonna get derailed into a lead-in to toddler Kylo or wow, here's Ezra Bridger and CGI Solo....are we getting a lot new or just rehash?

Just wish - tho maybe it was inevitable if Mandalorian was successful - the show wasn't getting milked a la MCU. Not that I won't be checking my D+ subscription next winter. Ultimately - depending - may be that Season 1 will be my favorite (those first scenes of Mando checking the tracker and that icy bleak setting.)

It's not that I didn't enjoy the h#^% out of Season 2; it's just it feels like the Mandalorian is being overrun with - stuff. I can't wait for these other shows to kick off, so hopefully all this other stuff stays on their side of the fence, most of the time. Personally I'd think it more than fair if Din D'jarin dominates an entire Ahsoka episode, for whatever reason, tho.

So while I did like Luke taking Grogu (to me that makes sense, re SW timelines and Luke's abilities) - for me it's not a period. (For me that happened too soon anyway). Leaves Din D'jarin hanging out with a sword he doesn't want, no ship, no job, no weapons except what's on him, no covert, and no Child. F & F need to fix that. Hopefully without turning the show into a Rebels sequel and toddler Kylo "helping" or some *&^$.

I get that the "guest appearances" made a lot happy. Might've made me happier too, as long as the show keeps to what I thought it was supposed to be.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Kennedy's complete and total failure is more obvious than ever on the heels of The Mandalorian season 2 and all it's success. This video highlights it rather well....

https://youtu.be/QrUb57gd6dE

 

[Sassafras]

This gets funny.

Everything old is new again.

Anyway, I don't know any of these Japanese movies, and imagine a lot of the audience doesn't, so it's not so much as stealing as introducing KNOWLEDGE which is totally Star Wars. Or totally the philosophy of the I Ching, or something. It's probably written in the sacred Jedi texts.

 

[a-dev]

That clearly goes to show that A) if it wasn't Luke Skywalker there would have been hell to pay and B) it was the correct choice musically to not simply blast the force theme - it would have given things away far too early. The music they used was good. It conveyed a real sense of magic, mystery and awe.

 

[JAWS]

That clearly goes to show that A) if it wasn't Luke Skywalker there would have been hell to pay and B) it was the correct choice musically to not simply blast the force theme - it would have given things away far too early. The music they used was good. It conveyed a real sense of magic, mystery and awe.

I would have doe the force theme when he got to the final hallway.. That was the time to do it.

By then we had seen the green saber.


Just like that one rescored video showed.


Having said that.. I am starting to enjoy the music they used much more.

 

[a-dev]

I would have doe the force theme when he got to the final hallway.. That was the time to do it.

By then we had seen the green saber.


Just like that one rescored video showed.

Saw that and didn't like it to be honest.

 

[JAWS]

Kennedy's complete and total failure is more obvious than ever on the heels of The Mandalorian season 2 and all it's success. This video highlights it rather well....

https://youtu.be/QrUb57gd6dE

Some of the stuff was funny and KK deserves..


Some of it was stupid.



But she is a ****ing idiot.

 

[JAWS]

The thing with KK is I get that you want to build a new fan base and move forward.. But why she thought you had to forget the past to move SW to the future is beyond me.


But listening to this video makes me laugh.. I now know where some people get their talking points.

They should hurry up and fire her.


FYI.. In that video it says that JF says they are setting up the First Order. But then it goes back into fantasy mode.

I really hate listening to these videos.. Its worse than all the 24 hour news networks and their sources..

 

[ZE_501]

Saw that and didn't like it to be honest.

Agreed.

You may not know this, but not all Star Wars fans go in for subtlety.

 

[user 64404]

I think we will get a two big Avengers tipe of crossover in the future: remakes of "Heir to the Empire" and "Dark Empire".
"Ahsoka" will be the about finding Trawn and Erza, the rebuild of Mandalore for the "Mandalorian season 3" and "The Rangers of the New Republic" will show how the the New Republic works. All this will result in the "Heir to the Empire" storyline with the Favreau\Filone characters taking the place of the OG characters.
Then the consequences of the first crossover will tie with the themes of the season 2 of Mandalorian and result in the "Dark Empire" storyline with Luke bringing back Grogu to Mando and Snoke in the place of the Emperor (as Snoke said that he already fought and lost to Luke.)
All this will close the first 10 years after ROTJ.
This is the first page of Dark Empire:

 

[Sassafras]

I think we will get a two big Avengers tipe of crossover in the future: remakes of "Heir to the Empire" and "Dark Empire".
"Ahsoka" will be the about finding Trawn and Erza, the rebuild of Mandalore for the "Mandalorian season 3" and "The Rangers of the New Republic" will show how the the New Republic works. All this will result in the "Heir to the Empire" storyline with the Favreau\Filone characters taking the place of the OG characters.
Then the consequences of the first crossover will tie with the themes of the season 2 of Mandalorian and result in the "Dark Empire" storyline with Luke bringing back Grogu to Mando and Snoke in the place of the Emperor.
All this will close the first 10 years after ROTJ.
This is the first page of Dark Empire:

Good, closing well before the ST. Because don't know how you "remove from canon". It's like Jar-Jar. If something is made, and out there, it's out there. There are folks that love the ST.

Besides, in theory - my own head canon and that in myth/philosophy - there's no such thing as JUST the Light. Makes total sense that Empire remnants are in the shadows plotting, even as the New Republic tries to get established. There's always light and dark.

But I think Grogu will be returned to Mando sooner than later. Too much money to be made, for one thing.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

The thing with KK is I get that you want to build a new fan base and move forward.. But why she thought you had to forget the past to move SW to the future is beyond me.


But listening to this video makes me laugh.. I now know where some people get their talking points.

They should hurry up and fire her.


FYI.. In that video it says that JF says they are setting up the First Order. But then it goes back into fantasy mode.

I really hate listening to these videos.. Its worse than all the 24 hour news networks and their sources..

I'm glad you liked it

I'm probably mostly in agreement with you about parts of it.