The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[xipotec]

Season 2 > season 1.

1.Ahsoka ( too beautiful overall look was classic and also retro!)
2. Luke returns.
3. Mad max


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[Khev]

While watching the "World Between Worlds" episode of Rebels nothing about it seemed to indicate anything about a SW equivalent to a multiverse. When Ezra opened the portal and pulled Ahsoka through it simply explained how she was saved from Vader and the exploding temple. He did not all of a sudden create a second timeline where Ahsoka lived in one and died in the other. When she went back through the portal she just re-entered the same and singular continuity that everything existed in.

So even the notion of a canon ST with an alternate timeline and a new ST has no precedent whatsoever, at least from what I've seen.

 

[Khev]

Getting back to the Mando season finale, I think the most entertaining that Moff Gideon has ever been was when he was acting as an absolutely over the top @$$hole narrator about whether Bo Katan can take the Darksaber. It was like he Jedi mind tricked her into not taking it, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

While watching the "World Between Worlds" episode of Rebels nothing about it seemed to indicate anything about a SW equivalent to a multiverse. When Ezra opened the portal and pulled Ahsoka through it simply explained how she was saved from Vader and the exploding temple. He did not all of a sudden create a second timeline where Ahsoka lived in one and died in the other. When she went back through the portal she just re-entered the same and singular continuity that everything existed in.

So even the notion of a canon ST with an alternate timeline and a new ST has no precedent whatsoever, at least from what I've seen.

Remember when Ezra was tempted to keep Kanan from sacrificing himself? Now imagine if he had.

Okay, now imagine in the Ahsoka show if she looks into a window where Palpatine's clone body hasn't been inhabited yet and destroys the body (or the jar or whatever). What happens to the ST timeline as we proceed from the Mando era?

I'm not saying that I think that's where this is going, but the implication of potential alternate story/canon timelines created by way of the "World Between Worlds" is pretty obvious.

 

[Khev]

Remember when Ezra was tempted to keep Kanan from sacrificing himself? Now imagine if he had.

See to me since Ahsoka survived and Kanan didn't that tells me that the events were playing out from the beginning with Ezra's future involvement already accounted for. Meaning that once we got to the moment he was looking through the portals it was already a foregone conclusion that Ahsoka *had* to be saved and Kanan *couldn't* be saved, even if we seemingly watched Ezra make those decisions in real time. Does that make sense?

 

[JAWS]

At the end of the day, the Mandalorian is a very good show, with some minor flaws that could argue keep it from being a great show (debatable.) I think we can all agree on that (if somebody thinks Mandalorian is not at the very least a good show, I would be curious why.)

Can we all agree that the ST pales in comparison to the Mandalorian? To me its like comparing the Child to a Porg. Even with different directors on the Mandalorian, its nice to feel like we are getting a single vision instead of movies trying to undo the previous movie.

Season 2 is pretty much all killer with little filler.

I really struggled with season 1. I am looking forward to starting over now that I know where it ended.

Season 2 was better then the ST easily.

Season 1 was better if I only compare it to TFA and TLJ. Like I said I really struggled with that first season.

But I was fully entertained by season 2 except for the Ice Spider episode.

Left me wanting more.. I cant wait for for something new SW related right now.. When is the Next Disney + series supposed to start?

 

[Sassafras]

Last episode was my favorite but overall, the season wasn't as good as season 1 in my opinion. Take out the fan-service stuff and it's just not great.

I'd agree and disagree. Certainly S2 upped the effects and cinematography - which was already pretty amazing. The now firm bond between Mando and Child was great to watch, and the Child was funny blowing raspberries LOL. Some great dry humor and small miracles like a character like Frog Lady having both courage and dignity. And a Mon Calamari triggering a sweater thing.

But one big fan service moment per season IMO is enough and this season had 4 - Bo-katan, Ahsoka, Boba, Luke. For me it starts to negate interest to a degree anyway. Starts to feel less like the Mandalorian and more like an SW parade.

Remains to be seen whether this series will be Disneyfied and Filonied permanently. I dunno how much fan service is Favreau and Filoni and how much is Disney wanting its new slate to be a success (like stuffing Captain Marvel into IW) and make lots of crossovers. But every fan service moment is a moment something fresh isn't being focused on.

So the last part of the season for me - except for the Ahsoka commercial - was very good, but felt uncomfortably familiar too, a lot of the time. Stuff like Luke showing up - IMO kinda early for that. Felt like the narrative of the whole series was being rushed.

I might end up liking Season 1 the best - before the series slid into being a Rebels sequel or whatever. Too soon to say. For this season, Episode 1 is my fav. But Season 2 has lots of awesomeness IMO.

 

[ajp4mgs]

See to me since Ahsoka survived and Kanan didn't that tells me that the events were playing out from the beginning with Ezra's future involvement already accounted for. Meaning that once we got to the moment he was looking through the portals it was already a foregone conclusion that Ahsoka *had* to be saved and Kanan *couldn't* be saved, even if we seemingly watched Ezra make those decisions in real time. Does that make sense?

I understand what you're saying, but that would the mean that the WBW only exists to decide a predetermined destiny. If that was the case, I don't think they'd bother to have Ahsoka convince Ezra not to follow through on his impulse to stop Kanan from dying. That realm was described as a portal to the past and the future, and it offered access to those different points in time.

I think Ezra literally could've saved Kanan and created a new timeline.

But I don't think anyone needs to worry about it being used to relegate the ST to "elseworlds" territory. That would be the longest of longshots, imo. But it's technically possible using the cheap nature of that gimmick. I can't stand the WBW.

 

[JAWS]

I had asked this on Friday but I think my comment got lost in the shuffle unless I missed something.

How do you guys rank the episodes this season? Is there a consensus on best and worst episode for season 2? My favorite is still the season opener I think.

Easily "Chapter 15: The Believer" Was my Fav. (Bill Burr Episode)

2nd Fav. "Chapter 11: The Heiress" (Boat Episode) "Chapter 12: The Siege" (speeder Bikes and Tie Fighters)

3rd. "Chapter 16: The Rescue" (Luke)

4rth "Chapter 13: The Jedi" (Ahsoka) "Chapter 14: The Tragedy" (Boba)

5th "Chapter 9: The Marshal" (Krate Dragon)

Distant 6th "Chapter 10: The Passenger" (Ice Spiders)




Looking over that list.. What a great freaking season.

 

[JAWS]

I'd agree and disagree. Certainly S2 upped the effects and cinematography - which was already pretty amazing. The now firm bond between Mando and Child was great to watch, and the Child was funny blowing raspberries LOL. Some great dry humor and small miracles like a character like Frog Lady having both courage and dignity. And a Mon Calamari triggering a sweater thing.

But one big fan service moment per season IMO is enough and this season had 4 - Bo-katan, Ahsoka, Boba, Luke. For me it starts to negate interest to a degree anyway. Starts to feel less like the Mandalorian and more like an SW parade.

Remains to be seen whether this series will be Disneyfied and Filonied permanently. I dunno how much fan service is Favreau and Filoni and how much is Disney wanting its new slate to be a success (like stuffing Captain Marvel into IW) and make lots of crossovers. But every fan service moment is a moment something fresh isn't being focused on.

So the last part of the season for me - except for the Ahsoka commercial - was very good, but felt uncomfortably familiar too, a lot of the time. Stuff like Luke showing up - IMO kinda early for that. Felt like the narrative of the whole series was being rushed.

I might end up liking Season 1 the best - before the series slid into being a Rebels sequel or whatever. Too soon to say. For this season, Episode 1 is my fav. But Season 2 has lots of awesomeness IMO.

Fan service is fine if done well. IMO this show did it well.. I agree that Ahsoka's episode felt more like it was just getting ready to introduce the Spin off... But it was done well nonetheless.


Ultimately its a preference thing. I like the fan service in this show.

 

[Khev]

I understand what you're saying, but that would the mean that the WBW only exists to decide a predetermined destiny.

No I'm not saying that WBW couldn't change a predetermined destiny, I'm saying that doing so doesn't appear to create simultaneous and parallel realities. Meaning that if Ezra *did* make the decision to alter the past and save Kanan then Kanan would have been alive *before* he entered the WBW and that Ezra reaching through the portal to save his mentor would have been the reason that Kanan was alive all along (just like with Ahsoka.) But because he chose not to save Kanan that's why he was dead all along.

My point is that I acknowledge that WBW *could* be used to show characters making major alterations to the galaxy (saving people, killing people, whatever) but that whatever changes they do make instantly incorporate themselves into the one prime timeline. So if Ahsoka looks into the future, sees Snoke before he corrupts Ben Solo and kills him then there wouldn't be an alternate ST, there'd be only one ST with an uncorrupted Ben and the current ST (TFA/TLJ/TROS) would never exist at all. And there's just no way they're throwing the whole thing out.

But who knows, maybe you're right and they'll have the Ahsoka series be a wacky combination of both "Wandavision" and "What If" to try and create as many convoluted realities as possible in the effort to please everybody. Which would be so dumb and most certainly make me write off the entire series, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

No I'm not saying that WBW couldn't change a predetermined destiny, I'm saying that doing so doesn't appear to create simultaneous and parallel realities. Meaning that if Kanan *did* make the decision to alter the past and save Kanan then Kanan would have been alive *before* he entered the WBW and that Ezra reaching through the portal to save his mentor would have been the reason that Kanan was alive all along (just like with Ahsoka.) But because he chose not to save Kanan that's why he was dead all along.

My point is that I acknowledge that WBW *could* be used to show characters making major alterations to the galaxy (saving people, killing people, whatever) but that whatever changes they do make instantly incorporate themselves into the one prime timeline. So if Ahsoka looks into the future, sees Snoke before he corrupts Ben Solo and kills him then there wouldn't be an alternate ST, there'd be only one ST with an uncorrupted Ben and the current ST (TFA/TLJ/TROS) would never exist at all. And there's just no way they're throwing the whole thing out.

Ah! Okay, gotcha. The science nerd in me doesn't accept the "erasure" of a timeline. So in my mind, the ST events would've taken place in *some* timeline because we saw it. If something crazy like Ahsoka screwing up Palpatine's ST scheme happened in her show, the ST we saw wouldn't happen from her actions onward. But those ST events would've happened in some alternate timeline.

I guess maybe it's just a matter of semantics.

But who knows, maybe you're right and they'll have the Ahsoka series be their wacky version combination of both "Wandavision" and "What If" to try and create as many convoluted realities as possible in the effort to please everybody. Which would be so dumb and most certainly make me write off the entire series, lol.

Agreed! Let's just go with the safe assumption that the WBW won't be used for anything like that since Ahsoka was the one warning Ezra not to undo events.

 

[JAWS]

No I'm not saying that WBW couldn't change a predetermined destiny, I'm saying that doing so doesn't appear to create simultaneous and parallel realities. Meaning that if Ezra *did* make the decision to alter the past and save Kanan then Kanan would have been alive *before* he entered the WBW and that Ezra reaching through the portal to save his mentor would have been the reason that Kanan was alive all along (just like with Ahsoka.) But because he chose not to save Kanan that's why he was dead all along.

My point is that I acknowledge that WBW *could* be used to show characters making major alterations to the galaxy (saving people, killing people, whatever) but that whatever changes they do make instantly incorporate themselves into the one prime timeline. So if Ahsoka looks into the future, sees Snoke before he corrupts Ben Solo and kills him then there wouldn't be an alternate ST, there'd be only one ST with an uncorrupted Ben and the current ST (TFA/TLJ/TROS) would never exist at all. And there's just no way they're throwing the whole thing out.

But who knows, maybe you're right and they'll have the Ahsoka series be a wacky combination of both "Wandavision" and "What If" to try and create as many convoluted realities as possible in the effort to please everybody. Which would be so dumb and most certainly make me write off the entire series, lol.

Time travel and Alternate realities is for Star Trek not Star Wars.. Hope it stays away from it all together.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Time travel and Alternate realities is for Star Trek not Star Wars.. Hope it stays away from it all together.

Bingo!

 

[Khev]

Yep, I totally agree, turning Star Wars into Star Trek would not "save" anything, it would in fact do the exact opposite. To Ahsoka they must listen, save them it can!

 

[Sassafras]

Fan service is fine if done well. IMO this show did it well.. I agree that Ahsoka's episode felt more like it was just getting ready to introduce the Spin off... But it was done well nonetheless.


Ultimately its a preference thing. I like the fan service in this show.

Many do; and I appreciated the pointing out that after the PT - at the time, there wasn't going to be any more.

After the ST, I was done with the Skywalkers, Coruscant, all of it...on top of that, I've watched Rebels and most of Clone Wars more than once.
Mandalorian to me is a breath of fresh air, starting in the gritty Nevarro and characters like Kuiil. Even the docks of Trask to me were amazing. And new. Plus IMO Mando and co. are great characters in their own right.

Do agree the fan service is well done. Otherwise I wouldn't be wanting my first Boba fig.

 

[Prime Clone]

Sorry if already discussed, but anyone else think it was a missed opportunity for Sebastian Stan?

 

[Wor-Gar]

In a real world where there are alternate realities these days, you don't think they'll pull that into Star Wars?

 

[JAWS]

Many do; and I appreciated the pointing out that after the PT - at the time, there wasn't going to be any more.

Thats cool.. Thanks for having an open mind and understanding where we were coming from after all that.

After the ST, I was done with the Skywalkers, Coruscant, all of it...on top of that, I've watched Rebels and most of Clone Wars more than once.
Mandalorian to me is a breath of fresh air, starting in the gritty Nevarro and characters like Kuiil. Even the docks of Trask to me were amazing. And new. Plus IMO Mando and co. are great characters in their own right.

The new characters have been great.. I just like the old ones to be thrown in to remind us of what Galaxy we are in

Do agree the fan service is well done. Otherwise I wouldn't be wanting my first Boba fig.

 

[JAWS]

In a real world where there are alternate realities these days, you don't think they'll pull that into Star Wars?

Wor Gar is speaking his truth.

Its not the same as my truth but both are truths.

Khev's truth and Jye's truth are alwaysthe same truth

But my truth is a little different and thus still just my truth.