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Sorry if already discussed, but anyone else think it was a missed opportunity for Sebastian Stan?

Yeah except IMO if the switch was gonna be made it would have been at the end of the series and a very brief encounter. This felt too close in time to Endor so Luke wouldn't look that different from ROTJ.
 
This fresh from Disney Press:

A New Hope has a new angle...

We will learn that the original Death Star explosion was not by Luke alone....

A rag-tag band of spies managed to use the X-wing assault as a diversion so they could infiltrate the Death Star and set off the chain reaction. They only needed Luke's proton missile as the final spark that lit the fire that struck the match that lit the fuse that destroyed the Death Star.
 
This fresh from Disney Press:

A New Hope has a new angle...

We will learn that the original Death Star explosion was not by Luke alone....

A rag-tag band of spies managed to use the X-wing assault as a diversion so they could infiltrate the Death Star and set off the chain reaction. They only needed Luke's proton missile as the final spark that lit the fire that struck the match that lit the fuse that destroyed the Death Star.

I really hope you're joking...
 
I know in in the minority but I liked episodes 1-4 about the same amount. These very much to me were just the "adventure of the week" 80s style A-Team/Incredible Hulk/Knight Rider shows. Very good.

Episode 5 with Ahsoka was the worst for me. I know people love her; I don't. I'll skip this episode on rewatches. This was the low point of the entire series for me.

Episodes 6-7-8 were a one two three punch of awesomeness that got better every week. The pinnacle of the series for me. Definitely the best of the best, along with the pilot of course, for starting all of this off on the right foot.


Also....I'm embarrassed to ask this, but they do say there are no dumb questions and there's no shame in asking.....but I honestly don't know what episode 7 "The Believer" refers to. Who believes in what? Mayfeld? Din? I don't know.

Also, since ep 8 was called "The Rescue".....did anyone think Luke was gonna say "I'm Luke Skywalker and I'm here to rescue you." Would that have been too over the top if he had? I think I'd have been OK with it personally, but I can see how some people would have groaned.
 
1. How could anyone think it would be anybody other than Luke Skywalker arriving in that lone X-Wing? I just couldn't understand the surprise of all those people in the reaction videos... And the less said about people crying because of it the better...

Because the last five years have been really hard to be an Original Trilogy SW fan. We've been beaten like a mistreated dog at every turn, and now when someone shows us the slightest bit of kindness, we're afraid to trust them.

That's what Mando was. It was literally offering a bone to a sad, beaten old dog...

I've gotten my hopes up too many times only to have them dashed on the rocks when it comes to this franchise. Seeing something like that, that seemed like it was setting up an amazing cameo for a competent Luke Skywalker in the prime of his powers....well, that's usually when the Disney Story Team likes to "subvert expectations" and pull the rug out from under us. Oh sure, it LOOKED like Luke was coming in there, but five years of Disney Star Wars taught us to expect a mean spirited twist right at the last moment...a reveal of ANYONE else. Most likely some nobody, or some Mary Sue like Rey....some fan fic character they wanna push on us.

I think everyone that didn't believe it was Luke until we saw his shiny CGI face was completely right in curbing our expectations, cause that's what happens when you're constantly beaten down over and over again and told you're a "bad fan" and "no longer needed."
 
I've gotten my hopes up too many times only to have them dashed on the rocks when it comes to this franchise. Seeing something like that, that seemed like it was setting up an amazing cameo for a competent Luke Skywalker in the prime of his powers....well, that's usually when the Disney Story Team likes to "subvert expectations" and pull the rug out from under us.

:lol :lol

That's exactly it. This is the company that decided to reassemble and hype up this legendary band after 30+ years but inexplicably put them on different stages from eachother, never to meet up and actually play together. And then one of the band members died, rendering it impossible to ever correct this ridiculous blunder.
 
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Luke was absolutely the right choice to close out the season but since he wasn't true live-action Luke I still put him below OT and ST Luke. I'm more excited to see more Ahsoka and Fett than Deep Fake Skywalker.

See for me Luke is Luke is Luke is Luke as long as it was cgi young Hamill face on stunt man body I was good.

I would take bad cgi face, even though it wasn?t as bad as everyone is making it out to be, than a recast at this moment in time.

It?s like if you have a choice between a recast or a 90% accurate cgi face then just go with the cgi face because the recast is 100% not accurate.

I would have still taken a cgi Han face over a stunt man body than Alden but they just couldn?t pull that off yet for a few reasons cost being a major one obviously.

But for this very specific and very special episode it had to be cgi Hamill because it was historic at so many levels.

Yup 5 minutes of Luke alone made this better than all episodes from S1 and S2 truly historic what just happened.

Vader is easier to accept because he wears a mask it can be anyone.

A time will come when I will accept a recast Luke but by then I will already be out of new SW.
 
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Because the last five years have been really hard to be an Original Trilogy SW fan. We've been beaten like a mistreated dog at every turn, and now when someone shows us the slightest bit of kindness, we're afraid to trust them.

That's what Mando was. It was literally offering a bone to a sad, beaten old dog...

I've gotten my hopes up too many times only to have them dashed on the rocks when it comes to this franchise. Seeing something like that, that seemed like it was setting up an amazing cameo for a competent Luke Skywalker in the prime of his powers....well, that's usually when the Disney Story Team likes to "subvert expectations" and pull the rug out from under us. Oh sure, it LOOKED like Luke was coming in there, but five years of Disney Star Wars taught us to expect a mean spirited twist right at the last moment...a reveal of ANYONE else. Most likely some nobody, or some Mary Sue like Rey....some fan fic character they wanna push on us.

I think everyone that didn't believe it was Luke until we saw his shiny CGI face was completely right in curbing our expectations, cause that's what happens when you're constantly beaten down over and over again and told you're a "bad fan" and "no longer needed."

This post absolutely captured my thinking. They whole time I was second guessing myself, everything about it screamed that it must be Luke but I almost couldn't believe that they would give us that after what had come before. As each tiny reveal brought us closer to the undeniable truth that it was Luke (the x-wing, the hood and cloak, the single lightsabre, the green blade, the single gloved hand, the return of the jedi belt, the lightsabre forms and movement of Luke and Anakin even right up to the point when Luke pulled down his hood with two hands the same way he did in Jabba's palace and revealed Hamill Luke underneath) I was still so ready for the fake-out that I was just flooded with relief when it was finally and irreversibly there on our screens. Of course those nerf-herders then smashed me in the feels whilst I was vulnerable haha with the Grogu and Din moments.

The Star Wars Theory Guy described it as soul healing and he is absolutely right from my certain point of view because that's literally how it felt to me (and I suspect many others). It is really embarrassing to admit but TLJ left me hollow, they took something from me with that movie and it was something that those idiots in charge couldn't understand. Luke as a character is more significant for a lot of Star Wars fans than they realise. For me he was always a symbol of overcoming adversity and failure, finding that inner strength and endurance to weather a storm, train hard, better yourself but still maintaining the values of love, friendship and sense of old fashioned right and wrong throughout it all. I recognised a lot of myself in young whiny Luke and whether consciously or subconsciously I've always drawn from the Luke 'character' to help me in difficult times. It's not called the 'Hero's Journey' for nothing and in some ways we all go on that same path in our lives (on a less dramatic stage hopefully) and we all have choices to make along the way.

I don't have religion and I don't think much of sports star, reality stars or celebrity so as I kid I looked for my heroes in fiction. KK, Rian and the Story Group, in their futile attempt to gain a following from a new generation decided to deconstruct the hero of the previous generation. And KK, you failed your highness, the new generation have so much choice and the MCU alone more than caters for anything that they might be looking for.

Favreau and Filoni must have understood the significance of the ST's collective failure. After seeing the Mandalorian it is impossible to seem them as anything but the same kid I was and I suspect many of us were. Those who dislike what was done with the ST (and this can apply to the PT as well) were the equivalent of lost little Grogu in the Mando story. We had been there for the Star Wars before the dark times but it was smashed before us and now we lay low hiding our love for the franchise lest we get hurt again (but we could still be roused to powerfully defend what we loved about it if the need arose). The empire / Disney still needed our blood / money and they sought to capture us and take it from us with soulless cash grabs, toys and tie-ins. But Favloni (through the cypher of Din) knew that this was not 'the way' and instead carried us through this journey of 16 episodes of healing (reminding us why we fell in love with Star Wars in the first place with echoes of the OT in season 1 and then the PT and TCW and rebels in season 2). Then at the eleventh hour when we all thought Disney's / KK's meddling hands would strike again they had Luke ****ing Skywalker in his prime rescue us. With Din removing his helmet, it almost doubled as them showing us that it is now they who are behind the corporate mask at LFL and who will be making the story decisions going forward. A little nod that we can go with it, trust it/Luke again, we and the franchise are in safe hands.

The Rescue and the Believer chapter titles don't just apply to the characters but they are also for us. Favloni and crew made us believers again and they rescued the franchise.

I also absolutely love that they made the father and son theme so central to their story again. It's special and refreshing to have media these days celebrate a father figure who would do anything for their son.

P.S. I know there are those of you (you know who you are and I respect you) who loved TLJ and who see the whole of Luke from that movie with his redemption and (I do think this) satisfying sacrifice. But I cannot get by the Luke as presented to us for the first 3/4s of the movie. This is my baggage (but perhaps the same for others) it just felt like a personal attack and belittling of my love for the OT hero's journey and that character and his values (as presented by the conclusion of ROTJ).
 
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I?m shocked how good the ST were considering Disney had to deal with fat cocaine Leia, fat copd Luke and grandpa with bad hip Solo.

Thanks George for making the PT first instead of your ST.

We don?t know the real reason why all 3 were not in the same scene I bet it involved more behind the scenes drama and salary that was never reported.

Were they perfect.

Why would they be SW HASN?T BEEN PERFECT SINCE ESB!

Don?t cry about the ST in the same sentence you worship JarJar as REAL SW go F yourself you dumb doomcock twit lol

Sorry master I forgot about how much you hate Jar Jar.
 
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I?m shocked how good the ST were considering Disney had to deal with fat cocaine Leia, fat copd Luke and grandpa with bad hip Solo.

We don?t know the real reason why all 3 were not in the same scene I bet it involved more behind the scenes drama that was never reported.

Were they perfect.

Why would they be SW HASN?T BEEN PERFECT SINCE ESB!

Don?t cry about the ST in the same sentence you worship JarJar as REAL SW go F yourself you dumb doomcock twit lol

Sorry master I forgot about how much you hate Jar Jar.

"For me he was always a symbol of overcoming adversity and failure, finding that inner strength and endurance to weather a storm, train hard, better yourself but still maintaining the values of love, friendship and sense of old fashioned right and wrong throughout it all. "

Its really wierd reading this sentence in your text because its exacly how i felt with Luke in TLJ, for me he demonstrate exactly this when he was pushed to the extreme and fall just to rise again and in the end winning against Kylo and The first Order with the ultimate defense.
For me the Luke in Mandalorian is already a different and more mature prequel jedi like, he is cleary getting overconfident and that is why i liked how Filoni\Favreau adapted the character.
 
"For me he was always a symbol of overcoming adversity and failure, finding that inner strength and endurance to weather a storm, train hard, better yourself but still maintaining the values of love, friendship and sense of old fashioned right and wrong throughout it all. "

Its really wierd reading this sentence in your text because its exacly how i felt with Luke in TLJ, for me he demonstrate exactly this when he was pushed to the extreme and fall just to rise again and in the end winning against Kylo and The first Order with the ultimate defense.
For me the Luke in Mandalorian is already a different and more mature prequel jedi like, he is cleary getting overconfident and that is why i liked how Filoni\Favreau adapted the character.

Hey JackOllie95 thanks for your reply, I enjoy reading different takes and perspectives. For me, it is because (and this is my point of view) it felt forced. They had to make Luke go back through the same journey in TLJ that he had already been on in the OT to get him to the point where he was ready to get his old and busted ass off the floor to make the sacrifice play. Having travelled the OT through largely Luke's POV I didn't feel that it was natural for his character to have to go through it all again. There was not enough context given and I couldn't make the narrative leap that ROTJ Luke would try and strike down his defenceless nephew and then would retreat from his responsibility and failure, wishing to die alone.

This is the quick version, somewhere in the TLJ threads I went through it in detail.

It is also the same thing they did with Fin from TFA and TLJ. He learned a very similar lesson. TFA, Fin is out for himself, wants to run away from the war. By the end he is willing to sacrifice himself for another. In TLJ he is trying to run away and by the end he is willing to sacrifice himself (I know slightly different circumstances but too much the same).

Then there is Poe, in TFA he is a confident rebel (excuse me I mean 'resistance') spy/pilot. Is captured to allow BB8 to escape with the details, breaks free then leads tactically sound (well the movie presents it as such) attack on Starkiller base. In TLJ he is presented as reckless pilot not thinking about his people from a command position and is selfish and shortsighted (though his actions literally are the correct ones in the opening battle to avoid instant devastation), then he is constantly berated and by the end he calls off the attack on salty Hoth which is supposed to demonstrate that he now values and understands the command position more

AND AND AND then there is Kylo. Sheesh. Mask on mask off. Join me, don't join me raaaaaaa now I will kill you.
 
"For me he was always a symbol of overcoming adversity and failure, finding that inner strength and endurance to weather a storm, train hard, better yourself but still maintaining the values of love, friendship and sense of old fashioned right and wrong throughout it all. "

Its really wierd reading this sentence in your text because its exacly how i felt with Luke in TLJ, for me he demonstrate exactly this when he was pushed to the extreme and fall just to rise again and in the end winning against Kylo and The first Order with the ultimate defense.
For me the Luke in Mandalorian is already a different and more mature prequel jedi like, he is cleary getting overconfident and that is why i liked how Filoni\Favreau adapted the character.

Great point.

Over confident and indulgence in the Jedi vs Sith way of things will eventually lead Luke down the same path of the Jedi order from the past.

The system was set up for failure at every turn I like that Rian Johnson tried to tap into that narrative and what ST haters forget is that hero LIVING Luke arrived back in TLJ and that hero GHOST Luke arrived in TROS.

Living Luke did his part, his sacrifice.

Ghost Luke did his part and set things in motion for others to rise and face their own sacrifices.

Oh well I will definately revist the ST from time to time as I am totally ok with them as canon.

The ST at times kicked my dog.

The PT all the time kicked my teeth.

Big difference lol
 
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Hey JackOllie95 thanks for your reply, I enjoy reading different takes and perspectives. For me, it is because (and this is my point of view) it felt forced. They had to make Luke go back through the same journey in TLJ that he had already been on in the OT to get him to the point where he was ready to get his old and busted ass off the floor to make the sacrifice play. Having travelled the OT through largely Luke's POV I didn't feel that it was natural for his character to have to go through it all again. There was not enough context given and I couldn't make the narrative leap that ROTJ Luke would try and strike down his defenceless nephew and then would retreat from his responsibility and failure, wishing to die alone.

This is the quick version, somewhere in the TLJ threads I went through it in detail.

It is also the same thing they did with Fin from TFA and TLJ. He learned a very similar lesson. TFA, Fin is out for himself, wants to run away from the war. By the end he is willing to sacrifice himself for another. In TLJ he is trying to run away and by the end he is willing to sacrifice himself (I know slightly different circumstances but too much the same).

Then there is Poe, in TFA he is a confident rebel (excuse me I mean 'resistance') spy/pilot. Is captured to allow BB8 to escape with the details, breaks free then leads tactically sound (well the movie presents it as such) attack on Starkiller base. In TLJ he is presented as reckless pilot not thinking about his people from a command position and is selfish and shortsighted (though his actions literally are the correct ones in the opening battle to avoid instant devastation), then he is constantly berated and by the end he calls off the attack on salty Hoth which is supposed to demonstrate that he now values and understands the command position more

AND AND AND then there is Kylo. Sheesh. Mask on mask off. Join me, don't join me raaaaaaa now I will kill you.

Its more easy to grow beyond his mistakes when he was young, now is different he thought he was doing better than the prequel jedi but in the end he make the same mistake, he did not knew how to deal and help Kylo just like Yoda,Mace and obiwan did not knew how to deal with Anakin.
You're wrong about Finn, until the end of TFA he was fighting for REY, only Rey. In TLJ he learns how the galaxy works and choose a side in the war, actually became a real rebel fighting against the FO for the right reasons.
About Poe, in TFA and in the begining of the TLJ he is overconfident, just look how he got captured, he was counting on just luck but for he become the resistence leader he had to be better, and start beying more like Leia than Han.
About Kylo the mask thing is a JJ mistake, when Kylo breaks the mask in TLJ, he is actually choosing to be his own person and not a Vader copy but JJ ignored that because reasons we dont know.

Great point.

Over confident and indulgence in the Jedi vs Sith way of things will eventually lead Luke down the same path of the Jedi order from the past.

The system was set up for failure at every turn I like that Rian Johnson tried to tap into that narrative and what fans forget is that hero LIVING Luke arrived back in TLJ and that hero GHOST Luke arrived in TROS.

Living Luke did his part, his sacrifice.

Ghost Luke did his part and set things in motion for others to rise and face their own sacrifices.

Oh well I will definately revist the ST from time to time as I am totally ok with them as canon.

The ST at times kicked my dog.

The PT all the time kicked my teeth.

Big difference lol

Exactly jye4ever
 
The ST emotional highs are way better than the PT BECAUSE THE PT DIDN’T HAVE ANY EMOTIONAL HIGHS!

What Anakin’s fall that ended with NOOOOO....PLEASEEEEEEEEEE!

THE CENTRAL CORE STORY OF THE PT FAILED MISERABLY!

THE CENTRAL CORE STORY OF THE ST DID NOT!

Order 66 even with that epic music was only just ok there was some cringy stuff in there lol

Han, Luke, Leia, Rey, Kylo all had tremendous emotional impact in TROS!

Emperor was awesome AGAIN!

Screw Finn and Poe who cares if those characters failed they were secondary anyways oh well **** happens AGAIN SW HAS NOT BEEN PERFECT SINCE ESB!

Although Poe’s on your left scene with Lando is pretty freaking epic.

So screw just Finn lol
 
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Because the last five years have been really hard to be an Original Trilogy SW fan. We've been beaten like a mistreated dog at every turn, and now when someone shows us the slightest bit of kindness, we're afraid to trust them.

That's what Mando was. It was literally offering a bone to a sad, beaten old dog...

I've gotten my hopes up too many times only to have them dashed on the rocks when it comes to this franchise. Seeing something like that, that seemed like it was setting up an amazing cameo for a competent Luke Skywalker in the prime of his powers....well, that's usually when the Disney Story Team likes to "subvert expectations" and pull the rug out from under us. Oh sure, it LOOKED like Luke was coming in there, but five years of Disney Star Wars taught us to expect a mean spirited twist right at the last moment...a reveal of ANYONE else. Most likely some nobody, or some Mary Sue like Rey....some fan fic character they wanna push on us.

I think everyone that didn't believe it was Luke until we saw his shiny CGI face was completely right in curbing our expectations, cause that's what happens when you're constantly beaten down over and over again and told you're a "bad fan" and "no longer needed."

Damn. Spot on!
 
The ST emotional highs are way better than the PT BECAUSE THE PT DIDN?T HAVE ANY EMOTIONAL HIGHS!

What Anakin?s fall....PLEASEEEEEEEEEE!

Lol o boy I?m bout to fire this man up again .

Yes cause ST and it?s stupid writing was very emotional. Nothing was touching about it. Name one thing . Kylo? Gtfo. Like I told jaws he?s anakin light . It?s funny you guys accept him cause he acted better but that doesn?t excuse his terrribke writing .

Did rey have emotional moments? She learns nothing. She never lost. The blandest character ive seen on film .

Gee who else do we have that isn?t iconic ...... uhhhhhh finn?

I mean he had great potential at first but then he followed REY like some guy who whose never seen a woman a day in his life . What a loser. It was very disrespectful tbh.

Then you have the OT characters dying . Lol pfffft who cares they were portrayed so poorly your glad they are gone so they don?t squeeze green milk out of a whales tit even further . Sit down old man
 
I?m shocked how good the ST were considering Disney had to deal with fat cocaine Leia, fat copd Luke and grandpa with bad hip Solo.

Thanks George for making the PT first instead of your ST.

We don?t know the real reason why all 3 were not in the same scene I bet it involved more behind the scenes drama and salary that was never reported.

Were they perfect.

Why would they be SW HASN?T BEEN PERFECT SINCE ESB!

Don?t cry about the ST in the same sentence you worship JarJar as REAL SW go F yourself you dumb doomcock twit lol

Sorry master I forgot about how much you hate Jar Jar.

Woah. You calling people dumb now haha.

Don?t put down PT and excuse crap writing like flying space leia.

Don?t put down the PT and excuse a rehash of the Death Star.

Don?t put down PT and excuse things like Rey not being developed, kylo being a terrible villain . Silly **** like palpatine?s granddaughter and cloning snoke or whatever the ****. Drinking green milk out a whales tit. I can go on and on .

Your just a bitter guy mad cause the PT didn?t give u muh OT nostalgia. Muh Luke and liea and storm troopers. Like stop lol.

You keep saying the ST was done so well but if I was an OT fan I?d be appalled and I was. Luke was a failed hermit who was defeated. That?s ok to you?
The hopeful jedi that overcame hardship is now a loser who doesn?t want to help ? That?s acceptable?


O I?m sorry. If it?s the OG three it?s good enough for me and I can excuse the crap story and put rose colored glasses on cause muh nostalgia. Lol


I guarantee you. Had George made the ST it would be better received and would sell like the PT. Please stop dissing Lucas.

Why do you keep bringing up the PT anyway? Stop. I know your mad it?s more successful but that?s what happens when you know your story and character arcs and don?t just blindly make the movie without having a clear end goal .

Cause Rey was always supposed to be the emperor?s granddaughter? Lol pfffftt. K


Btw..... I?ll take jar jar a thousand times over rey. Give me a show about him lol
 
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We don?t know the real reason why all 3 were not in the same scene I bet it involved more behind the scenes drama and salary that was never reported.

That's ridiculous. The only reason they never shared a scene is because Abrams apparently was too inept a storyteller to rise to the "challenge" of what to do with Luke, (hide him for 99.99% of the movie???) and also the Story Group's apparent outright contempt for the character, if internet scuttlebutt is to be believed.

I've been saying this for over five years, so it's boring now, but I'll say it again: if you took any group of us...just a random collection of say 5 posters on this thread, put us in a room like a jury and let us brainstorm for a week, we'd have come up with a more satisfying and thrilling trilogy than what was produced.

The Disney Trilogy is the single biggest atrocity of wasted potential in all of film history with the exception of perhaps Jodorowsky's Dune.
 
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