The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[Wor-Gar]

And GTFOH with any SE B.S.

OH man, you just killed Khev's next joke argument.


Here's a good debate question: what's better: SE OT or PT?

 

[Khev]

Of course that wasn't the question.

I had amended my previous post to include the obvious answer to your question.

 

[The Buffinator]

OH man, you just killed Khev's next joke argument.


Here's a good debate question: what's better: SE OT or PT?

SE OT of course. Even something that's only mostly OT is better than the PT. When it comes to this comparison, the PT isn't just mostly dead, it's dead dead.

 

[Sassafras]

For a second there it looked like the exclamation point was just part of the other special characters and I was about to say "wait what did the giant cow do to Poppins Leia??" lol

Well, I don't know how other folks first saw TLJ, but we had great seats, great theater, crystal clear screen and this huge *&^% looms over the
'lil kiddies in the front row dressed in their 'wee Jedi costumes...

SW changed forever for me in that moment. Can't say how, exactly. All I remember is thinking Jasus Christos

Still, whenever something stupid happens in front of me now, I always reach for the image of Luke and his bottle as a comforting anchor.

 

[Wor-Gar]

And to answer to the actual question you asked of course OT would be the obvious choice, I'd be surprised if anyone here (young or old) picked otherwise.

Well there you go... see? We're all friends here, we're all weened on the same trilogy that pulled us into this vibrant world.

The arguments in here are all about inferior alternate versions of our beloved original trilogy, never really expanding the story, just feeding on nostalgia and slightly different riffs of the original material.

 

[Khev]

Well there you go... see? We're all friends here, we're all weened on the same trilogy that pulled us into this vibrant world.

The arguments in here are all about inferior alternate versions of our original trilogy, never expanding the story, just feeding on nostalgia and slightly different riffs of the original material.

Very true though I'd even go so far as to say ROTJ/PT/ST are just inferior alternate versions of SW/ESB, never expanding the story, just feeding on nostalgia and slightly different riffs of the original material.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Do I dare lock you into that mistake forever?

Hah... that's better.


I will agree, ESB was the last truly innovative Star Wars movie. ROTJ was basically Star Wars Greatest Hits, complete with returning Death Star.

I will say that the PT was more innovative than the ST, which is insultingly more derivative of the OT. If only I could get past a majority of the acting in the PT...

 

[Khev]

Too late!

I made the same mistake with the dumb poll I just posted originally labeling it "PT vs. OT." Talk about an ass beating that would have been.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Or maybe you're oversimplifying other people's expectations to try to make those expectations seem stupid when in fact you guys probably would have ate up what everyone else wanted just the same. Even Khev admitted that what we got is not what he would have written. Fair enough if you want to rationalize what we now have after-the-fact and find a way to accept it but lets not pretend you wouldn't have rejoiced in what the Doomcockers were looking for had it instead gone their way.

And would 'their way' necessarily have entailed Luke being a perfect hero 24/7? No. But maybe the magnitude of failure and the horrific consequences of that failure as depicted in the ST - hardly compensated for by his actions on Crait - was going a bit too far with the hero deconstruction.

I can admit that my first reaction would've been positive, just as it was with the latest Mando episode. But as time went on, it would've felt disjointed from how I perceive Luke's arc in the OT.

When the OT ended, I thought Luke's evolution *should've* led to him being like ESB Yoda. That seems to me like what the *whole ****ing point* of the ROTJ third act was all about. It was Luke's ESB lessons from Yoda sinking in as he stared at his hand, and then his father's stump. He overcame his impulses, threw down his sword, and followed his little green master's teachings.

We shouldn't need George to overlay audio of Yoda's lessons over that ROTJ Luke epiphany scene for it to fully sink in. But if he had, we'd hear things like these:

"Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things."

"A Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger... fear... aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight."

"If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice."

"You will know. When you are calm... at peace... passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never attack."

"The cave. Remember your failure at the cave!"

This stuff seems so on-the-nose obvious to me, and yet here we are in a 3-year ragefest about Luke not being more like he was in that last Mandalorian episode.

I interpret that desire to see Mando Luke like arguing that Yoda's Jedi path should've ended with him taking a lightsaber and going in outnumbered to defeat evil regimes. Instead, we saw Yoda (the most powerful Jedi of all!) end his days in isolation away from the fighting, consuming nasty things and dressed like a hobo. It's like poetry... it rhymes.

To me, Luke being very much like Yoda isn't an insult to his character or his legacy. Then again, Yoda is my favorite SW character, so I'm probably biased and always going to be in the minority on this.

 

[JAWS]

Same. thats my bad. SORRY, EVERYONE. I can admit when I messed up lol

The thing is.. Its so easy to do.

I have stated it many times before.. both trilogies are less then perfect. Even borderline bad. But we come to enjoy either the PT or ST more.

Both sides have trouble comprehending the other side because each side sees the issues of the other trilogy but thinks their preferred trilogy is doing things just fine or better.

So when we see the other side complain about our preferred trilogy we cant believe that they dont see the same issues with their own trilogy.

I am lucky and can tolerate them all. I just wish the PT had the acting of the ST and I wish the ST had the imagination and planning of the PT.

Man what a perfect saga we would have then.

 

[JAWS]

OK, let's settled it once and for all... for 2021... the FINAL ARGUMENT of ALL TIME!

What is better: The OT... the PT.... or the ST?

Not 'one has better acting but the other has better stuff'... not Driver was the Anakin we all wanted... just which trilogy is better. If you were sentenced to solitary confinement for all time and could only bring one trilogy with you, which would it be.

OT and its not even close.

 

[JAWS]

I will agree, ESB was the last truly innovative Star Wars movie. ROTJ was basically Star Wars Greatest Hits, complete with returning Death Star.

Yep

I will say that the PT was more innovative than the ST, which is insultingly more derivative of the OT. If only I could get past a majority of the acting in the PT...

and yep

 

[xipotec]

hahah

I don't want Hamill throwing down with PT level lightsabre duels or pulling star destroyers out of the sky, but equally I don't want to see Luke (for the first time on screen since RotJ) doing any of the following:

• sneaking up on his nephew (a minor) in his sleep, reading his mind (an invasion of privacy and potentially a rape analogy) and then lighting up his blade (analogy continued) whilst considering (with his intense angry crying face) whether or not he should murder him.
• lying to Rey because he is ashamed of his behaviour.
• being bested by Rey (an untrained, in the ways of the force and sword play, ignoramus) in the first duel we see him in.
• acting like crazy ESB yoda (when he is trying to throw Luke off) for a prolonged period of time e.g. suckling on space cow walrus (it?s not like Rey for one moment is confused whether this is Luke the jedi master).
• tossing his lightsabre over this shoulder and then mincing off.
• trying to burn scared jedi texts, then getting cold feet and then whinging like ANH Luke when ghost yoda turns up and burns them.

I don?t want to find out that despite Luke?s sacrifice in the OT and his hero?s journey that there is no real semblance of a happily ever after for him at all (even briefly prior to the ST beginning). I?m used to Star Wars Legends where he had a wife and kid and in this version he has neither. Nor does he seem to be close to Leia and Han anymore. He is a failure, not just as a teacher, not just as an uncle but also as the guardian for the new republic. When faced with this failure he runs off and hides for an indeterminate amount of time hoping to die alone (leaving behind a not map so someone can find him and ? watch him slowly die from old age).

He seems so depressed and full of rage and his wounded pride is so prevalent in TLJ that he may as well be consumed by the dark side except for his turned off force abilities.

Sorry Jye but that's not how I wanted to see Luke but don't worry I totally understand that you expect Luke to be sipping green titty milk in every scene from now on and whenever the going get's tough hiding in the most unfindable place until he is found whereupon he will redeem himself by committing jedi suicide alone on a rock.

Rape Analogy?
Mincing off?

Cause Luke being the way he was made no sense?

Cause all people who live through the murder of their adoptive parents, lose tons of friends in a war, end up having to try to kill their own father because the establishment uses them.....All end up as morally just , strong willed heroes.

As an side bar, I always felt Luke looked alone and sad at the end of ROTJ.

Even after he is brought into the fold by his friends, I felt he was damaged by his experience.

So did the creators of Dark Empire .

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[xipotec]

Well there you go... see? We're all friends here, we're all weened on the same trilogy.

Not me,I think your all nutz.....


Long live The SW Holiday Special!

JK , Happy New Year everyone!


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[Wor-Gar]

Happy New Years back... may it be better.

 

[JAWS]

As an side bar, I always felt Luke looked alone and sad at the end of ROTJ.

Even after he is brought into the fold by his friends, I felt he was damaged by his experience.

So did the creators of Dark Empire .

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I always thought the same thing.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Luke starts out as a whiney little ***** in the desert... and ends up as a whiney little ***** on an island. The circle is now complete.

Then, like a miracle from the sky, The Mandalorian managed to make Luke a man somewhere in the middle.

 

[JAWS]

Luke starts out as a whiney little ***** in the desert... and ends up as a whiney little ***** on an island. The circle is now complete.

Then, like a miracle from the sky, The Mandalorian managed to make Luke a man somewhere in the middle.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap Luke's Mando scene was filmed FALL 2019 before TROS was even released!!!!

HOW DID THEY KEEP THAT A FREAKING SECRET!!!!

 

[The Buffinator]

Well it was the stunt man on set not Hamill, so not that hard.