To be fair.. That is not why Luke threw the saber though... He through it IMO because he wanted nothing to do with it. I f it was for the reasons you stated above I think most would be on board. But none of his other actions show me that that move was for any other reason then Distain for the whole damn thing.
Well there you go.. A long thought out reason why Luke was great in TLJ without any slams to the PT.True but ROTJ isn't what I would have written either but
I also would have never put the stealing of the DS plans on screen nor would I have dared want anyone to touch a story about young Han Solo. So I'm always happy to be proven wrong. Now if I had the opportunity to go back in time and watch an alternate ST that was more in line with Legends EU would I? Sure. Do I think it would have been better than what we got? I really can't say. As has been echoed several times having Luke and Leia more front and center in the action could have done more harm than good at their ages and fitness levels.My initial preference when I started resisting how Luke was handled in TLJ was that they should have presented him more like Odin in the MCU. A wise and powerful leader who was remote and of a more administrative type with his hands tied by a number of grand things throughout the galaxy and therefore not able to just go galivanting around the galaxy with the youngins. But I'm not so sure that *that* would have been the way to go because even with Odin played by the mighty Anthony Hopkins and never doing anything unbecoming like slurping green milk he didn't really leave much of an impression on the story overall.Yes TLJ thrust Luke down into the mud but we got to watch his struggle front and center and then spectacularly rise above it in a way that fulfilled the "lip service" heroism of *both* the PT and OT that we'd never actually seen manifest before.And this is where the genius of his portrayal really quite blows me away.It's already been covered a number of times how Crait Luke perfectly fulfilled Yoda's teachings of using the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack, and when you are calm and passive. We've seen Luke be a warrior badass before. That's old news. Choking Gamorrean Guards, swishing alien goons off the desert skiff with his lightsaber, beating down Darth Vader himself. But we'd never seen him use the Force in exactly the way that Yoda described to turn the tide of a literal battle before. And no him tossing the saber in front of Palpatine doesn't count, that was him simply resisting the Dark Side and NOT using the Force in its purest Jedi form.But TLJ took Luke's skills truly "next level." It didn't just repeat the desert skiff but with droids. It didn't have him waving his hands and destroying fleets of ships (why would people want that at all, it's a pure Sith move as TROS Palps himself demonstrated.) No it gave us something brand new that was totally badass in its own right, totally heroic. Honestly before the ST came around even as a lifelong SW fan I had a hard time wrapping my head around the notion that Yoda's teachings could ever be practical when facing evil on the scale of the First Order or Empire. But now thanks to TLJ I get it.But wait there's more. What was the *entire* conflict of the PT summed up as and then summarily dismissed without a second thought? "A failure to listen." Padme called it out point blank and the one person who heard her did nothing about it because he did exactly what she said--didn't listen. But what does Luke do all throughout the movie while moping on the island? He listens!! Listens to Rey. To R2. To Yoda. He gives his speeches and justifies his actions but every time someone steps up and verbally counters him he always pauses, digests what they're saying, and reflects. And that is shown so beautifully in Mark Hamill's performance. When Rey reminds him that it was a Jedi who redeemed Vader. That was a start but not enough. Then R2 which prompted him to reconsider his refusal to train Rey. And finally Yoda who prompted him to fully rejoin the fight so to speak.So in one film Luke singularly became what all the PT Jedi failed to be, singularly fulfilled Yoda's deepest teachings on using the Force, *and* singularly stepped up and did what PT Padme (the mother he never knew) had died hoping for the galaxy to achieve. There's just so many levels of brilliance there IMO.In the late 70's we (the US) were a nation hurting from the Vietnam War and the scandal of Watergate. We needed a good gee whiz black and white hero to get us back on our feet again. Now we live in a divisive country and world where people burn and pillage and scream and hate if they don't get their way and demonize those they disagree with without ever allowing there to be any merits in opposing views. If you're going to put a hero on the big screen to inspire all well to me TLJ Luke is an example for us all. As I said in one of the figure threads he embodies both extremes (the law enforcer who is too callous with the life of the man lying at his feet vs. "defunding the Jedi" altogether) but takes ownership of the failures of both sides and *rises above them* in a way that does *not* beget more violence and is instead good, humane, and sacrificial. I truly see him as the hero we needed but didn't deserve which is what Luke Skywalker was from the very beginning.
So here was conversation in other thread about PT characters
While watching the editors cut of Spiderman 3 for the first time it actually got me thinking of the PT. You're like what...why...2 different series of movies. First let me say that when compared to S1/S2 yes S3 is the weakest of the 3 for all the reasons that have been discussed since its release in 2007. But the one thing it had going for it was the relationship between the 3 main leads in no small part due to the solid foundation built from the first 2 which carried over into the 3rd movie. S3 deconstruction of their relationship is what holds that messy movie together and what makes it tolerable to sit thru you really care about those 3 and that ending still to this day hurts. See where i'm going with this in relation to the PT. If the PT even had 50% of the relationship building between Anakin ObiWan and the Jedi Order that was in S1, S2 then that painful downward spiral in S3 Anakin's fall would have been devastating to watch. But nope lets start TPM with a 10 year old JUST to show off an extended pod racing scene.
Here is you bringing up ST to defend PT
He was done with being a Jedi.. Not done with Lightsabers because he was such a great and powerful jedi.
Im with you on the whole "A jedi master should be above Lightsabers" thing.. We agree on that and think Yoda should never had been seen wielding one.. He should have been beyond that. But I don't think that is was the point RJ was telling. It was to show her distain for even being there.. Yeah he might be well beyond using a saber and all that but its not how it came across.. Lets be real it was done as a joke and to subvert out expectationsYes but I saw "Jedi Masters who stoop to wielding lightsabers" as just one of the many damn things that he had disdain for.
Probably.. How did we get back here
Oh yeah.. The stupid cry shaming
IDK.. Maybe.. I think you may be giving RJ too much credit I never had an issue with the toss wither way
How was Jye saying that better written characters would have saved the PT?? Explain that too me.. Without bashing on the ST.
You did no such thing in the other thread.. Try it here.
IDK.. Maybe.. I think you may be giving RJ too much credit I never had an issue with the toss wither way
In the other thread we were talking about the PT.. Read the post.. Jye did not bring up or compare the ST to the PT in the other thread.. He compared the Spider man films to the PT.. What the heck dude
You complained that Jye brought up the PT to defend the ST... And yet you did the exact same thing in the other thread.. How is it different? You didn't defend the PT by making points how the PT characters will well acted and written. You went after the ST. Just like Jye did in this thread.. What are you not getting.
You didn't.. You based on the ST. Same thing you complain about Jye doing when defending the ST.. Just trying to keep you consistent.
I wish she was as cool as Maclunkey.. I hate Rose, RJ, and Haldo.. It really makes it difficult to enjoy most of that film. Give me Jar Jar any day over those three
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Staying safe is an absolute priority.
Too bad I filled time this summer watching/rewatching so much of Clone Wars/Rebels. Maybe I'll go READ something. I still need to pick up the Art of the Mandalorian.
And figure out where the Razor Crest is gonna go.
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In the other thread we were talking about the PT.. Read the post.. Jye did not bring up or compare the ST to the PT in the other thread.. He compared the Spider man films to the PT.. What the heck dude
