The Official "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" movie thread *SPOILERS*

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Re: The Official "The Hobbit" movie thread

Guys this will look different. I don't mean the sharpness, the color, the framing. I mean it will move unlike any movie you have ever loved.

:exactly:

I think most of the people who have no worries at all about it are ignorant to what it really means.

But we could still be presently surprised. Though I really doubt I'd want it to become the standard.
 
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:exactly:

I think most of the people who have no worries at all about it are ignorant to what it really means.

But we could still be presently surprised. Though I really doubt I'd want it to become the standard.

Hope you're right. :1-1:
 
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That doesn't mean I have to love the prospect of doubling the frame rate over every movie I have ever seen in my 34 years - every film ever made in the history of film.

Guys this will look different. I don't mean the sharpness, the color, the framing. I mean it will move unlike any movie you have ever loved.

no one should love or hate it yet, as we haven't seen this before, was my point. different can be ok, esp if you let yourself be open to it.

Good or bad, I'm excited about the 48fps because I like to see different tech and experiments in cinema, but it sounds like the Hobbit will be available for viewing in a couple of different formats, so 2D and 24fps purists can be happy as well. problem solved. yay PJ. :duff
 
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Mags I've seen that before and while different I like it. Honestly, I think it will be like watching a football game in HD which is freaking amazing with the tv we have. I will say that when I watch LOTR I feel like you get pulled in from how it looks while its moving to the story. This will be the same I don't doubt at all.
 
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Mags I've seen that before and while different I like it. Honestly, I think it will be like watching a football game in HD which is freaking amazing with the tv we have. I will say that when I watch LOTR I feel like you get pulled in from how it looks while its moving to the story. This will be the same I don't doubt at all.

Then you'll love this. :)



Personally, I don't want Middle Earth to move like a football game. But like Entropy said, PJ is gonna give us both versions.


Now I wonder what will be on the DVD/bluray. :huh


How does a TV that refreshes 60 times per second (or multiples thereof) interpret 48 fps? Will we receive both frame rates on bluray? This is gonna be very interesting.
 
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Just went back and clicked on the link I posted on the last page and noticed the quote at the bottom:


No way should films and TV be shot at 30fps. Unless you want No Country for Old Men to look like Days of Our Lives.

The goal of motion pictures is not to recreate reality, it's not even to show reality. I want to create a little psychic link between you and my pictures. I want to suck you into the world of the story, suspend your disbelief and make you forget about yourself and your life and just be in the moment of the film.

By not showing enough visual information, we force the brain into filling in the gaps... it draws you in even more. It's part of how you let go to the point where you can laugh or cry or feel tense or afraid or elated.

-Naim Sutherland (Cinematographer)


https://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html


This artist feels that higher frame rates spoil the art-form. And that's just refering to 30 fps. 48 fps will bring that even closer to the Days of Our Lives look.
 
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If we have a choice then this is a non issue for me. I will see it in 2D and 24fps if possible, and then follow up with the other version. I have so little patience for anything that distracts me in a movie theater that I think this would drive me even more nuts than the kid sucking on a pickle during the whole movie.
 
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I sympathize with Maglor. You walk into costco and see there tvs and I can't stand how the LCD TVs look there. But I also agree with others that I have 100% faith in PJ to make sure it is done in such a way that it won't look like daytime TV. :lol
 
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Ahh, nice to see that the motion interpolation/dejudder argument is alive and well:

From CNET:

De-judder is designed to do just what you observed: smooth out motion. Film and video are captured as a series of still frames at a certain fixed rate, typically 24 and 30 frames per second (fps), respectively. That rate has a big impact on how motion--particularly movement of the camera such as when it pans across a scene, pushes forward, pulls back, or zooms in or out--is perceived by the viewer. The film rate of 24 fps can introduce stuttering in fast motion or pans, but usually this stutter is fast enough that people don't notice it, much like a cartoon flipbook that depends on your brain to do the work of creating the perception of motion. This stuttering is generically called "judder," and it's often exaggerated by the 2:3 pull-down processing required to translate that 24-frame source into the 60Hz refresh rate used by HDTVs, including most LCDs and plasmas.

When a de-judder mode is engaged, the TV's processor kicks in and interpolates extra frames between the ones that actually exist. Imagine the processor drawing extra pages (in real time!) in the flipbook, as many as four extra for every original page, to bridge the visual gap between the true frames that were originally captured. What you see is more information in the moving video, which you interpret as more smoothness. Americans are used to seeing film at a rate of 24 frames per second, and when we see it instead at 60 or 120 fps, it can seem unnatural and too smooth--in short, too much like video or, as its advocates might say, real life. In a side-by-side display, such as what you saw in the store, that difference in smoothness, between a TV with no de-judder processing and one that has it, can be drastic indeed. Whether that extra smoothness actually improves the experience of watching the film is a matter of debate; personally, I don't think it does
 
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I sympathize with Maglor. You walk into costco and see there tvs and I can't stand how the LCD TVs look there. But I also agree with others that I have 100% faith in PJ to make sure it is done in such a way that it won't look like daytime TV. :lol

How exactly? More frames is more frames. :dunno


Ahh, nice to see that the motion interpolation/dejudder argument is alive and well:

Where do you stand on the "argument"?
 
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Did "The Fellowship of the Ring" look like "Freddy Got Fingered?" They were both shot at 24 fps.

"The Hobbit" will hardly look like an episode of "Days of our Lives."
 
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You would think in a week with so much news we'd be talking about that then frame rates. :lol
 
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Did "The Fellowship of the Ring" look like "Freddy Got Fingered?" They were both shot at 24 fps.

They both moved the same. :dunno

"The Hobbit" will hardly look like an episode of "Days of our Lives."

Not exactly since "Days of our Lives" is 60 fps. But it will look 24 fps more like "Days of our Lives" than it wuold at 24 fps... in terms of how it moves.



You would think in a week with so much news we'd be talking about that then frame rates. :lol


Do us a favor and change the subbect! :lol



How cool was it to see the dwarves in spider webs?! :rock
 
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I still want to know what happened to Skinny Jackson.
 
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Yeah, he looks like he's put back on nearly every ounce of weight...
 
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